quelmotz

So not true. I believe she was one of the first god(esses) to bring her people into Gielinor, however, she was not the creator of Gielinor, but of the Elven race. These are all members of the Desert Pantheon, or am I wrong?

Problem exists regarding copyrights. Aqua Pulse, maybe? Firstly, welcome back to the forums! :thumbsup: IMO, there shouldn't be a problem regarding the water pulse thingy, though I may be mistaken. Many games will have spells like water bolt, water blast, etc and no one is going to chase them for copyright infringement. Not really back, just visiting. This popped into my mind, so I decided to post it. You're right. I mean, they got Fire Blast into the game as well. But for safety's sake, better offer at least an alternative. Since this spellbook is a NEW spellbook, and not an extension, why not take the opportunity to rename all the elements? This would avoid some confusion between the two.\ Air = Storm? Water = Aqua? Earth = Rock/Stone? Fire = Flame? Just a few suggestions. Air = Aero? Wind? Tornado? Water = Aqua? Earth = Tera? Fire = Pyro? If you want to go with aqua, I'll say go with greek (?) names for everything, like aqua, tera and pyro. Though I don't know what air is in greek (??). Wish you were back "permanently" though.

I have said before in an old and dying thread that the Abyssal Whip was overpowered, but it got flamed to hell by a certain party (let's call him sadukar123, shall we, for anonymity's sake?). Don't make assumptions on certain weapons being overpowered if you never used them. Ok. Lets just forget about it, shall we? I'm sick of arguing with you about it. Back to topic, I agree that f2p mage is underpowered, and may I please direct you to the rants forum, click this topic "f2p mage and range underpowered" by yours truly? Not trying to boast, but if you want you can also see another thread under bugs and suggestions "contemporary S&Q ....(something)". Fine, I will increase all weapons to the scimitar's power instead, since it will instigate a lot of flame and rants if everyone's present weapon (the scim) was nerfed badly. Personal attacks? May I please direct you to the thread "f2p mage and range underpowered" and see WHO started flaming and insulting people? (unless your posts have been removed). By you long time ago. May I ask who started it? Do you realise that when you're pointing your finger at me, four are pointing back at you? Prove it. Nice, an arrow can penetrate armor easily. (correction, at point blank range) Please specify the range. I will not be amazed if a crossbow bolt or arrow can penetrate armor at point blank range. A warhammer can "crush" a PART of the armor? What the hell? It won't necessarily crush the armor (loot man loot!), but send strong shock waves THROUGH the armor, breaking all the bones inside and causing internal bleeding. Although not immediately fatal, it is better than a huge bladed axe in terms of penetrating armor. Battleaxes will not always cut through armor, it depends on the angle of the swinging chop, the person's strength and which part of the armor it hits. You won't always get a "lucky" hit and battleaxes are 2handed, which is a HUGE disadvantage. Don't tell me they're onehanded, you said "HUGE BLADED AXE" and you didn't mention "HUGE HEAVY WARHAMMER" or anything of that sort. Correction "NOT" at point black range. See Battle of Agincourt, Crecy. Crossbow might have been BANNED by Pope Innocent II FOR BEING INHUMANE, it kills a knight who trained for years with ONE SHOT. Longbow+Crossbow>Knights. You forget there's usually CHAIN MAIL underneath some armour, it will absorb whatever "shockwave" the hammer makes. Nice strawman, you compare two different sized weapons and declare you win. Fine. You might be correct on the crossbow, but you stated ARROWS in your initial post, and I was basing my arguments on that. Arrows can STILL destroy Knights. NOT just Crossbow. Do you think all knights are so rich to have chainmail under their armor? Most of them only have cloth under their plate armor, which DOES absorb some impact but not enough to protect them. Erm, most knights are nobles, nobles have lots of money to buy a chainmail. Also, you were the one who started comparing a ONEHANDED warhammer to a TWOHANDED battleaxe for god's sake. Don't be so hypocritical please. I said huge, huge does not mean it's two handed. I can't believe you blindly agreed with him. Seriously I don't make personal attacks for no reason. You can check out "f2p mage and range underpowered" somewhere around page 20 or so and see WHO started the flame wars and personal attacks by insulting and flaming me. And it isn't banned. I'm posting right now. I am careful. I am usually a nice person, its just these people (take note I didn't say "idiots" (which I would if I wasn't in a not-so-bad mood today)) who get on my nerves. I didn't specify anyone, don't make assumptions. Seriously stop denying the fact that you started attacking me first. Things were running well in my thread. I was telling a fool to stop posting unconstructive posts on my thread when YOU suddenly appeared and started attacking me, saying my posts were not constructive. Since when did I say all my posts were constructive? And you started it, so stop denying the fact that you did. Arrows can destroy knights, sure. And is that part of the question? We're discussing about melee weapons now, so please revert back to the topic. Sure, knights have money. Chainmail is heavy, so who'll be stupid enough to wear two layers of armor into battle, weighing them down badly. Huge = heavy =/= onehanded due to weight. Therefore huge/heavy = two handed.

Very funny. Guthix will have thrashed Zamorak+Saradomin so badly they'll be running home (to the desert) crying for their mummies (pun intended). I disagree. Guthix should be on a par, if not stronger than Zaros, and Seren and Armadyl tied for 3rd, and Saradomin/Zamorak for 5th. I'm not too sure about Bandos or the Deser Pantheon though. Also, you said you base this on their "known peaks" but Bandos's peak wasn't when he was "crippled to the point of nothingness" during the Chosen Commander. You mentioned Zaros's peak, but not Bandos's. Isn't that bias thinking?

I have said before in an old and dying thread that the Abyssal Whip was overpowered, but it got flamed to hell by a certain party (let's call him sadukar123, shall we, for anonymity's sake?). Don't make assumptions on certain weapons being overpowered if you never used them. Ok. Lets just forget about it, shall we? I'm sick of arguing with you about it. Back to topic, I agree that f2p mage is underpowered, and may I please direct you to the rants forum, click this topic "f2p mage and range underpowered" by yours truly? Not trying to boast, but if you want you can also see another thread under bugs and suggestions "contemporary S&Q ....(something)". Fine, I will increase all weapons to the scimitar's power instead, since it will instigate a lot of flame and rants if everyone's present weapon (the scim) was nerfed badly. Personal attacks? May I please direct you to the thread "f2p mage and range underpowered" and see WHO started flaming and insulting people? (unless your posts have been removed). By you long time ago. May I ask who started it? Do you realise that when you're pointing your finger at me, four are pointing back at you? Nice, an arrow can penetrate armor easily. (correction, at point blank range) Please specify the range. I will not be amazed if a crossbow bolt or arrow can penetrate armor at point blank range. A warhammer can "crush" a PART of the armor? What the hell? It won't necessarily crush the armor (loot man loot!), but send strong shock waves THROUGH the armor, breaking all the bones inside and causing internal bleeding. Although not immediately fatal, it is better than a huge bladed axe in terms of penetrating armor. Battleaxes will not always cut through armor, it depends on the angle of the swinging chop, the person's strength and which part of the armor it hits. You won't always get a "lucky" hit and battleaxes are 2handed, which is a HUGE disadvantage. Don't tell me they're onehanded, you said "HUGE BLADED AXE" and you didn't mention "HUGE HEAVY WARHAMMER" or anything of that sort. Correction "NOT" at point black range. See Battle of Agincourt, Crecy. Crossbow might have been BANNED by Pope Innocent II FOR BEING INHUMANE, it kills a knight who trained for years with ONE SHOT. Longbow+Crossbow>Knights. You forget there's usually CHAIN MAIL underneath some armour, it will absorb whatever "shockwave" the hammer makes. Nice strawman, you compare two different sized weapons and declare you win. Fine. You might be correct on the crossbow, but you stated ARROWS in your initial post, and I was basing my arguments on that. Do you think all knights are so rich to have chainmail under their armor? Most of them only have cloth under their plate armor, which DOES absorb some impact but not enough to protect them. Also, you were the one who started comparing a ONEHANDED warhammer to a TWOHANDED battleaxe for god's sake. Don't be so hypocritical please. I can't believe you blindly agreed with him. Seriously I don't make personal attacks for no reason. You can check out "f2p mage and range underpowered" somewhere around page 20 or so and see WHO started the flame wars and personal attacks by insulting and flaming me. And it isn't banned. I'm posting right now. I am careful. I am usually a nice person, its just these people (take note I didn't say "idiots" (which I would if I wasn't in a not-so-bad mood today)) who get on my nerves. I didn't specify anyone, don't make assumptions.

Oh btw, I just thought I'd mention: Problem exists regarding copyrights. Aqua Pulse, maybe? Firstly, welcome back to the forums! :thumbsup: IMO, there shouldn't be a problem regarding the water pulse thingy, though I may be mistaken. Many games will have spells like water bolt, water blast, etc and no one is going to chase them for copyright infringement.

Yeah, do you (howbadisbad) know how to do an experiment or not? Did you fail your science? You only change one variable (ok in this case two, but it can be still counted as 1 because its melee). Prayer, defence, ranged, summoning, etc etc etc etc etc. remains the same. You don't have to argue about this. Its obvious, as Estorrath pointed out, defence is useful, whether you like it or not, for mages. And you mentioned "superhuman strength" for melee. Does that mean mages MUST get "mystic might" a level 44 (??) or so prayer? Applause =D> for your highly bias thinking. You do not need mystic might when your opponet is -50 mage defence Same as saying you don't need superhuman strength when a 2h can hit far higher than magic? Don't be bias. We'll assume both have roughly equilavent other stats, as Estorrath did and proved you wrong.

But the void is "nothingness" not imbalance. Technically it is balanced, because there is nothing so there is nothing to balance but also nothing to imbalance. Hmm...strange... The balance between balance and imbalance? The void is mysterious, but I consider it to be not balance nor imbalance, but you can have your own opinions. Funny joke (not). I suggest you read more before embarrassing yourself. I read somewhere that Armadyl was the god of pureness (fine purity :lol: ). Sorry if the source is incorrect. True, but the others cannot exist without Guthix too. There, you can see, everything leads back to balance. Guthix cannot exist without the others and the others cannot exist without Guthix. Sure, there's nothing wrong with being gods of two different things, such as law and order, pureness (muahahaha I enjoy taunting you (purity)) and skies, etc. I'm just making my own interpretations.

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I have said before in an old and dying thread that the Abyssal Whip was overpowered, but it got flamed to hell by a certain party (let's call him sadukar123, shall we, for anonymity's sake?). Back to topic, I agree that f2p mage is underpowered, and may I please direct you to the rants forum, click this topic "f2p mage and range underpowered" by yours truly? Not trying to boast, but if you want you can also see another thread under bugs and suggestions "contemporary S&Q ....(something)". Fine, I will increase all weapons to the scimitar's power instead, since it will instigate a lot of flame and rants if everyone's present weapon (the scim) was nerfed badly. Personal attacks? May I please direct you to the thread "f2p mage and range underpowered" and see WHO started flaming and insulting people? (unless your posts have been removed). Nice, an arrow can penetrate armor easily. (correction, at point blank range) Please specify the range. I will not be amazed if a crossbow bolt or arrow can penetrate armor at point blank range. A warhammer can "crush" a PART of the armor? What the hell? It won't necessarily crush the armor (loot man loot!), but send strong shock waves THROUGH the armor, breaking all the bones inside and causing internal bleeding. Although not immediately fatal, it is better than a huge bladed axe in terms of penetrating armor. Battleaxes will not always cut through armor, it depends on the angle of the swinging chop, the person's strength and which part of the armor it hits. You won't always get a "lucky" hit and battleaxes are 2handed, which is a HUGE disadvantage. Don't tell me they're onehanded, you said "HUGE BLADED AXE" and you didn't mention "HUGE HEAVY WARHAMMER" or anything of that sort. I can't believe you blindly agreed with him. Seriously I don't make personal attacks for no reason. You can check out "f2p mage and range underpowered" somewhere around page 20 or so and see WHO started the flame wars and personal attacks by insulting and flaming me. And it isn't banned. I'm posting right now. I am careful. I am usually a nice person, its just these people (take note I didn't say "idiots" (which I would if I wasn't in a not-so-bad mood today)) who get on my nerves. I didn't specify anyone, don't make assumptions.

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Yeah, do you (howbadisbad) know how to do an experiment or not? Did you fail your science? You only change one variable (ok in this case two, but it can be still counted as 1 because its melee). Prayer, defence, ranged, summoning, etc etc etc etc etc. remains the same. You don't have to argue about this. Its obvious, as Estorrath pointed out, defence is useful, whether you like it or not, for mages. And you mentioned "superhuman strength" for melee. Does that mean mages MUST get "mystic might" a level 44 (??) or so prayer? Applause =D> for your highly bias thinking.

I give up. After making a long and constructive post, it was hidden. Then I asked for a reason for the deletion, and got my post deleted for no reason and no post by a mod at all. This is the last straw.

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=784101 viewtopic.php?f=37&t=784491 I don't disagree with your opinion that mage needs a SERIOUS boost, as you can see clearly in these two threads.

Why don't you take a shot at facing the rants forums then? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Because I was being sarcastic. :roll: Why don't you just shut up. I don't need a post count booster or free bumping. I would be flaming you to get out of my thread if a mod hadn't just sent me a pm.

[hide=Response]What do you mean I "have to disagree"? I'm not purposely trying to go against you, I'm just trying to prove MY point. MY point is that this suggestion is good, but not all of the updates suggested are necessary to the extent suggested. That's all. I'm not going to make my own thread. That's a waste of time. I have nothing to suggest, I only have small problems I want to address. We both know what would happen if I did. I'd get a bunch of posts going along the lines of: "lol nub theres already a suggestion, ib4tl". I wasn't influenced by hihihi. I don't think he's an idiot either, but hold what opinions you will. I just want to say that no one influences what I say, and everything is my own free thought. Just because we coincidentally share a similar view does not mean I was influenced by him. However, if someone just says "no support, isn't needed", all you have to do is disregard that post if you feel it isn't backed by appropriate evidence. On the other hands, while you HAVE the right to tell them to "shut up" since they don't have good arguments, I don't think you're allowed to tell them to get out. That's just me, and I would never tell anyone to get out of my thread, regardless of their views. Of course you don't need a psychiatrist. I just wanted to tell you that everyone has a right to share their opinion. If they say something unimportant or without a good reason, then just tell them that. That's all, maybe you'll change someone's life. Just because they don't support, it doesn't mean they're your enemy.[/hide] Now I'm going to be taking a long break from TIF, so I wanna end this here: you're a great guy and have great motivation. You can defend your views eloquently and rationally. Not many people can do so as well as you. No matter what you say, you say it for a reason. I respect that. F2p needs changes, and you can be someone who helps those changes get around. I just want to remind you that everybody's opinions should matter to you, regardless of if they're with or against you. Sorry for sounding like your parents here for telling you this, and I know you might be getting slightly annoyed reading this. But I just want to end on a good note. You have my respect, whether you want it or not, and you also have my support, at least in part, for your suggestions. Thanks : Sorry if I got a bit worked up when posting that, I always do when I go into heated debates. Especially when idiots come and annoy me. Hope you have a nice break from TIF. Farewell.

1/3 of the time. I don't get why people say "Scimitar always beats longsword" when longsword can take a go at the scimitar as well. And I only wanted longsword to be stronger because currently no rune weapon is in the "+50's" strength value. Quite pointless reason, but who cares?

I'm really sick of arguing with you already. About the claws, its jagex's freaking fault for making a severely overpowered special attack. Fine, then go and change you beloved p2p weapons. I don't know about them and I don't care. Since you're p2p, make your own thread about how THOSE weapons should be changed. I wouldn't say anything as its none of my business. Spears being used for defence. In your dreams. What would do more damage, a heavy wooden stick with a sharp knifeblade on top or a short curved sword? Obviously the spear. Nobody is going to use a spear for defending when they can just take two freaking shields and be practically invincible. Seriously. Its my opinion that f2p weapons are severely unbalanced and I want to change them. So what? I didn't ask you to come and persuade me to change my mind or tell me so-and-so shouldn't be powered up. I'll never change my mind. Period. Especially for this. Forget it if you're trying to make me change my opinion. YOU brought up 13 points. I'M just answering them. I know you said you didn't want to get into huge arguments, but I'm just replying to what you say. D claws ARE overpowered. Agreed. Jagex's fault? Agreed. Should they be changed? I think so as well. You should, however, learn to read a bit more carefully. I never said p2p weapons should be changed, so why should I make my own thread about that? My whole point is that this is fine how it is. Is this none of my business? I've been f2p for 3 out of the 4 years I'm been a RS player, and I'm currently free player and will likely not return to members for a while. So is this my business? As a long time and current free player, it is. Plus if members stuff isn't your business, why are you making references to spears, claws, and halberds? Do you even know what defending in war really is? Defending isn't blocking damage, so why would you take 2 shields? What are you going to do? Kick him to death after you block one hit? No. You hide behind the shield, and use the spear so you can hit him, but he can't hit you (advantage is in your longer reach). Plus if they do get to you, you have the shield to block. Honestly, what good would 2 shields do for you? When you are charging into someone, the spear really does no good. You can only stab with it, which is too easily blocked. The only way you'd use a spear for all-out offense is if you're on horseback. I'm not here to change your opinion. You can have your opinion. On the same note, I can have mine. What is this thread? Is this thread a "support this idea or gtfo" thread? Are you trying to block every person who does not agree with you? Well I have two things to say to that: 1) OMFG learn to read....I said that weapons SHOULD get a change, why do you keep thinking I say they shouldn't?! I feel like I state this every single post, WEAPONS SHOULD BE CHANGED!!!!!!!! On that front, I can be considered a support. I think your idea is good and should be added, just not to the extent you propose, and your ideas has some problems. I'm only trying to point out those problems. Why? You think your idea is 100% perfect? You think it's flawless? You think you're so good that you can't possibly make a mistake? Why even post it then? Obviously, because you posted, you wanted feedback and supporters. Supporters you got, but your idea isn't perfect. I'm trying to point out problems it has. I know that I'm against you in the other thread about mages. That does not mean I'm against EVERY THREAD YOU POST IN. Keep what happens in that thread in that thread. 2) You have neither the authority nor right to bar non-supporters from your thread. Why? You think your idea is so perfect there can't possibly be dissenters? Do you want every single post to be "omfg i love you quelmotz this idea is the best thing in the world!!!! add now!!!!!!!!". Fine. If that's what you want, I can give that to you, and you go tell everybody that quelmotz doesn't want to listen to people who disagree with him. I've told you this before. You can't close your mind to other people's opinions. You have made this thread to try and convince people to support you. If you are not willing to listen to people who don't entirely agree with you, then you have no right to tell others that what you say is the best. In short, if you do not listen to non-supporters, that nullifies your thread as a suggestion and leaves it at nothing more than a pep-rally. Ok, now let's get a few things straight. I am a supporter. I do not entirely agree. I am only trying to correct some problems that your idea has. This isn't my thread at all. You say that weapons should get a change, but your arguments prove otherwise. Everything I say about how to change the weapons you have to disagree. Is that what you want to do? Just disagree with everything I say and don't suggest anything? Just go and make your own thread for god's sake. I never said everyone has to agree with me. So what if I hate idiots who disagree with me for no apparent reason or talk crap? (this isn't referring to you) Don't get influenced by that idiot hihihi27. He says I don't have the right to bar non-supporters from posting. I don't, and I never said I did. I just told the NON-SUPPORTERS WHO POST CRAP and don't give proper reasons or evidence to back up their opinions to get the hell out of my thread. What's the point of having them there? Boost post count? Who cares. Bump my thread? This isn't the RSOF. Waste space? Tip.it is a non-profit organisation and they don't need idiots wasting their precious space. Ok, so I can't control them. At least I tried to get them out. So to get things straight, you agree that I don't have the right to tell idiots to shut up and get lost? If so, I have nothing to say to you. Ok, let me take a shot at it now. Rune Dagger: + 25 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 6 New: + 27 + 12 - 4 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 24 + 0 Speed: 7 Rune Mace: + 20 - 2 + 39 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 36 + 4 Speed: 5 New: + 20 - 2 + 42 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4 Rune Sword: + 38 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 39 + 0 Speed: 6 New: + 45 + 26 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 40 + 0 Speed: 6 Rune Scimitar: + 7 + 45 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 6 New: + 7 + 52 - 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 44 + 0 Speed: 5 Rune Warhammer: - 4 - 4 + 53 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 48 + 0 Speed: 4 New: - 4 - 4 + 44 - 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 62 + 0 Speed: 4 Rune Battleaxe: +2 + 48 + 43 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 64 + 0 Speed: 4 New: +2 + 50 + 46 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 - 1 + 0 + 56 + 0 Speed: 4 Rune Sq. Shield: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 6 - 2 + 38 + 40 + 36 + 0 + 38 + 35 + 0 + 0 New: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 8 - 2 + 44 + 44 + 36 -1 + 46 + 40 + 0 + 0 Rune Kite Shield: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 8 - 2 + 44 + 48 + 46 - 1 + 46 + 40 + 0 + 0 New: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 8 - 2 + 36 + 44 + 44 - 1 + 46 + 40 + 0 + 0 Rune chainbody: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 15 + 0 + 63 + 72 + 78 - 3 + 65 + 40 + 0 + 0 New: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 30 - 10 + 65 + 80 + 80 - 6 + 80 + 40 + 0 + 0 Rune platebody: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 30 - 10 + 82 + 80 + 72 - 6 + 80 + 40 + 0 + 0 New: + 0 + 0 + 0 - 30 - 10 + 80 + 80 + 65 - 6 + 80 + 40 + 0 + 0 That's all. Again, I repeat, you don't have to try to tell me to change my opinion. I'll listen to your opinions, ideas, suggestions, whatever, but you don't have to order me to keep an open mind. As I said, I don't need a psychiatrist.

Quelmotz kindly stop trolling every thread you post in. Trolling? I don't troll every thread I post in. For god's sake get your freaking facts straight before accusing people. You are the ...... who keeps coming to whatever thread you can see my name in to say "oh, so all your posts were constructive :roll: " or something along the lines of that. Did I do anything to offend you? No. Did I stoop down to your level to follow you around and annoy you? Did I find a fault of yours to dwell on it? Do I use it to humiliate you? Do I sneer at you for a mistake of yours? No, no, no, no. I only responded in retaliation, which is fully understandable especially when you started coming to harass people. Don't say I am flaming or annoying you with this post. I am not. I'm just defending myself. So stop irritating me by always having to flame me in every thread I post in. Really hypocritical behavior. This is off topic, yeah, but who cares. I'm sick of you and your undesirable character traits. The end.

Why don't you take a shot at facing the rants forums then? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It takes a VERY highly skilled mage to take down a meleer once the mage and meleer are both level 60+. I repeat VERY HIGHLY SKILLED, or just plain lucky. The only way for mages above level 80+ to actually kill anyone is to work in a team against the same number of meleer enemies

This is dumb. You're basically making mages have to train melee, and who will be dumb enough to do that? Seriously, what's the point? How will this stupid 40-50 attack/strength requirement cause mages not to be as powerful? It won't add to their combat level, instead hassle and annoy mages, etc etc. Rangers don't need mage to use the "magic" shortbow, melee doesn't need range to use chainmail, so why should mages be treated unfairly?

You think it was 7k more. Eventually, someone has to question whether it's worth the trouble when you'll jump at every word. Anyway... Here: have fun with 8 pages of replies on this subject: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=750480&hilit=obby+sword And a few numbers: viewtopic.php?t=588556 There you go, just for you quel. Not trying to be nitpicky, but its 4k more, not 7k. That proves my right to question your evidence. Two things: 1) I never tested Obby sword, I only tested d scimmy v d long. I was lot aware of the obby sword combo at the time. 2) I'm pretty sure I have the right to not completely remember numbers after about a year. 2) I'm pretty sure I have the right to question the CREDIBILITY of your numbers when I have never seen them in my LIFETIME. You've never seen them so they don't exist? Well, I understand that. Zerker combo isn't a very popular one and I doubt many people know about it, much less the amount of improvement it is. Yeah, you have the right to be suspicious of evidence. Everyone has, and I never said you don't. But listen man, when I said "I think it was 7k, but ns", is that evidence? Or is that a summary? My evidence I gave you in two long and proven correct threads. So that's just a little terminology thing, but still, when you said "I have the right to question your evidence", do you mean it that way, or "I have the right to question your summary"? Ok, ok you win. But that's just because I'm in a good mood today, or I would have retaliated quite sarcastically. I wonder why... maybe because they suck? Erm... THAT'S THE FREAKING POINT. Seriously, your interpretation skills suck. *points at scim* no they aren't. What the ... are you talking about? crushing weps already are stabbing weps are slashing weps are, and 2h's and b axes already are. Seriously. Crush weapons don't hit high. Stab weapons are AS FAST AS A STUPIDLY OVERPOWERED SCIMITAR. Need I mention how overpowered the scimitar is? already have that. for example, tz-haar can be dealth with with crush style. (i think). Another idiot. I never said you can't kill monsters with crush/stab, you'll get minimal exp, waste a lot of food, potions, prayers, basically wasting money and time.

I'm really sick of arguing with you already. About the claws, its jagex's freaking fault for making a severely overpowered special attack. Fine, then go and change you beloved p2p weapons. I don't know about them and I don't care. Since you're p2p, make your own thread about how THOSE weapons should be changed. I wouldn't say anything as its none of my business. Spears being used for defence. In your dreams. What would do more damage, a heavy wooden stick with a sharp knifeblade on top or a short curved sword? Obviously the spear. Nobody is going to use a spear for defending when they can just take two freaking shields and be practically invincible. Seriously. Its my opinion that f2p weapons are severely unbalanced and I want to change them. So what? I didn't ask you to come and persuade me to change my mind or tell me so-and-so shouldn't be powered up. I'll never change my mind. Period. Especially for this. Forget it if you're trying to make me change my opinion.

You think it was 7k more. Eventually, someone has to question whether it's worth the trouble when you'll jump at every word. Anyway... Here: have fun with 8 pages of replies on this subject: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=750480&hilit=obby+sword And a few numbers: viewtopic.php?t=588556 There you go, just for you quel. Not trying to be nitpicky, but its 4k more, not 7k. That proves my right to question your evidence. Two things: 1) I never tested Obby sword, I only tested d scimmy v d long. I was lot aware of the obby sword combo at the time. 2) I'm pretty sure I have the right to not completely remember numbers after about a year. 2) I'm pretty sure I have the right to question the CREDIBILITY of your numbers when I have never seen them in my LIFETIME.