quelmotz

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No, I did not. I actually recorded my XP rates on a notebook. If you want, I can do 3 more tests for you. Ok ok, I give up. You win. Longswords are better than scimitars in select situations, but that is like the extremely rare circumstance involving the mace and rapid heal prayer or saradomin swords at waterfiends. I'll be adding a supporter's list. I assume you support? Yes. I support. I want FULLY balanced weapons, not the absurdly overpowered scimitars or the absurdly underpowered warhammers and shortswords. I can also add armor suggestions if you want. Changing the defence bonus so chainmail is EXACTLY the same as platemail except the stab and crush defences are inverted? I'll make a post on this in "Suggestions" later. Good idea, except it isn't historically or logically true, but who cares? I mean, if this game is supposed to be logical, a scimitar wouldn't be as fast as a dagger and carrying 100 billion coins in your backpack would make you stronger. I've already made a suggestion on this, so... yeah. :-# Yeah, and I already commented on it, so...yeah :-#

Free bump. P.S. If you didn't already count me as a supporter, add me in. EDIT: You already added me in, but you misspelled "quelmotz" as "quel_motz".

You should say any "constructive criticism" is appreciated. Back on topic, I disagree STRONGLY on the mace being boosted in speed. A mace is a heavy club-like weapon, and there is absolutely NO way it is going to be faster than a longsword/scimitar. Remaining at the same speed and POWERING up the strength will make it a cheaper alternative for crushing plated enemies with prayer bonuses. Also, claws should be able to be poisoned, or becomes speed 8. Note that claws are 2h, so you're effectively hitting at speed 4 (!!!!!!) per hand if it is at speed 8. This is absurdly slow for such a weapon, but if strength bonuses are increased as well as the ability to be poisoned and at speed 8, claws would be ok. Still, the d claw spec will remain unchanged/nerfed as it is overpowered enough. IMO, the spear should have the previous halberd bonus of reaching up to 2 squares away. It is quite long, isn't it? Again, crush bonuses of the spear should be reduced, stab bonuses increased. I don't see anybody trying to hammer someone else using a spear. You should add some logical reasons why a weapon is so-and-so, for example a warhammer being strong is due to its heavy weight, halberd obviously due to length, etc. Add me as a supporter, by the way.

No, I did not. I actually recorded my XP rates on a notebook. If you want, I can do 3 more tests for you. Ok ok, I give up. You win. Longswords are better than scimitars in select situations, but that is like the extremely rare circumstance involving the mace and rapid heal prayer or saradomin swords at waterfiends. I'll be adding a supporter's list. I assume you support? Yes. I support. I want FULLY balanced weapons, not the absurdly overpowered scimitars or the absurdly underpowered warhammers and shortswords. I can also add armor suggestions if you want. Changing the defence bonus so chainmail is EXACTLY the same as platemail except the stab and crush defences are inverted? I'll make a post on this in "Suggestions" later. Good idea, except it isn't historically or logically true, but who cares? I mean, if this game is supposed to be logical, a scimitar wouldn't be as fast as a dagger and carrying 100 billion coins in your backpack would make you stronger.

No, I did not. I actually recorded my XP rates on a notebook. If you want, I can do 3 more tests for you. Ok ok, I give up. You win. Longswords are better than scimitars in select situations, but that is like the extremely rare circumstance involving the mace and rapid heal prayer or saradomin swords at waterfiends. I'll be adding a supporter's list. I assume you support?

Me or him?

Yes it is. Why don't you shut the hell up and the get the hell out of my thread. Its not like if we get an update you don't. F2p mage deserves and update after waiting SO long. P2P mage would also be updated. The new spellbook would definitely come with p2p spells. So shut up and get lost. There is no need for selfish idiots in this thread. So what if f2p gets an update? P2P usually gets the longer end of the stick. Everyone is happy, except for some idiots like you who are NEVER satisfied. Get lost and play another game then, but the point is you'll never be satisfied. Summary: Get the hell out of this thread. Yeah, very true. What kind of crap is this? If you can't think of anything constructive to say, just shut up. Oh yes, all of your posts were constructive. :roll: Oh yes, all of YOUR posts were constructive. :roll: More constructive than your posts about Whips were "overpowered". Your posts were constructive, yeah right. If you look at it from a dps point of view, the whip+defender pwns. That's a fact. Don't argue with me as I don't want to start another huge flame war. [/hide] Yes, DPS matters SO much in PvP. So much, monsters care 100% if they die faster or not, a lot. You don't want to argue because you have NO argument. Again, refer to the summary above. Don't come and flame me just because you don't like another idea that has died long LONG ago. Shut up and get lost. Yeah, DPS matters a lot. If you have no specials, dps matters a lot. Its just those dumb specials. Believe me, remove those specials and almost every person in his right mind will use whip+defender for the basic damage dealing. Why am I wasting my time talking to idiots anyway?

The point is I get more XP with a rune longsword. Yeah, but I get more XP with a scimitar.

Yeah exactly. I have 0hp so I'm not a hp noob! Arrrgghh!!! I died. L O L

Interesting. Where's your data? Don't talk crap without giving your data/evidence first. Don't say I didn't provide data. I didn't, but I didn't say "the majority of p2pers are immature" or anything like that, did I? I only guessed why, I didn't state that so-and-so is true without giving evidence. Its just the few noobs in f2p who are immature. The rest are generally ok, but we tend to only remember the annoying ones. That was my point, too. I didn't say that the ENTIRE F2P likes to steal rocks, only a few of them. In fact, in my entire time in F2P, I have only encountered 3 people stealing my rocks. The others, they just let me go, either becase they are nice, or I make them give up by stealing theirs. Based on my assumptions of the players, F2Pers are generally nice. We talk to each other, we're never mean, etc. And judging by the RSOF, F2Pers >>>>>>> P2Pers from their posts. The ONLY place where I see/hear the noobs are around Lumbridge. Other than that, :thumbup: . So I think F2P has the better community. (Sorry P2Pers!) By the way: [hide=Based on the above posts]Maybe using Mining as an example wasn't such a good idea. :wall:[/hide] Very true, but most p2p players are probably also quite nice, but its just a few idiots on the forums.

Gonna have to bring up one of my older tests with rune scimitar and longsword at flesh crawlers. Rune Scimitar: 34k xp/hour Rune Longsword: 40k xp/hour This was done in the "Aggressive" style. Please explain why. longswords hit higher but are less accurate and when using aggresive, longswords hit even higher and flesh crawlers don't have much defence so it'll hit much more often than on people/other monsters with higher defence.

Yeah, very true. What kind of crap is this? If you can't think of anything constructive to say, just shut up. Oh yes, all of your posts were constructive. :roll: Oh yes, all of YOUR posts were constructive. :roll: More constructive than your posts about Whips were "overpowered". Your posts were constructive, yeah right. If you look at it from a dps point of view, the whip+defender pwns. That's a fact. Don't argue with me as I don't want to start another huge flame war.

Yeah, PERIOD.

Yeah, very true. What kind of crap is this? If you can't think of anything constructive to say, just shut up. Oh yes, all of your posts were constructive. :roll: Oh yes, all of YOUR posts were constructive. :roll: Wow... you are really nice aren't you. BTW that doesn't really work because he never denied that his posts weren't constructive he's just pointing out that you are hyprocrite lol Wow...whats your IQ? 10? He said my posts were not constructive and according to you he never denied that his posts weren't constructive, so it means his posts are not constructive and he is criticizing people of posting nonconstructive posts? That's what I call hypocritical.

THAT IS MY POINT. You're supposed to get less xp so you don't level up too much, hence getting combat levels and hindering the convenience of PVP skilling. However, you want the MAX amount of xp WITHOUT leveling up, which is not what I want, as in controlled, you tend to level up 4 skills at a time. However, if you want to skill in pvp worlds, you want high defense and hp, so controlled isn't the way to go.

Yeah, very true. What kind of crap is this? If you can't think of anything constructive to say, just shut up. Oh yes, all of your posts were constructive. :roll: Oh yes, all of YOUR posts were constructive. :roll:

Don't give the thread free bumping, just let it die. Lol I'm doing it myself :oops: :oops:

75 bank space should be more than enough for me. I mean, after every few holiday events, we get tons of costumes and stuff, so we should get a bit of bank space, shouldn't we?

Rune scimitars, longswords, battleaxes, and two-handers are pretty much the only used melee weapons. I see people use those types all the time. Players in F2P use half the weapon selection - at least it is pretty much evened out then. Although other weapons (shortsword, mace, and warhammer most notably) MUST have a tweak. Otherwise they are downright not used. And I use a rune longsword. Longswords COMMONLY used? I must be blind or you are just "lucky". Battleaxes are rare and 2hs are even rarer. Really, only noobs use longswords (no offense), unless they're just showing off (though I don't understand what is so nice looking about a longsword anyway). And controlled training isn't effective. Its better to just get tons of xp in str, then switch to atk and change to def. Scimitars pwn in damage in ALL aspects in f2p, unless you're trying to stab/crush with it... :roll: As I mentioned earlier, almost no one uses controlled training. Daggers are totally, utterly useless in f2p. At least give them a speed of 8 or so if scimitar was to remain at 6, or change to 7 and scimitar at 5. Maces are crap. Period. Don't try to argue about prayer and healing and all that, you can just get a freaking swordfish with the space you waste with the stupid mace. Crush Accuracy? Who cares? Warhammers a brutal weapons used for mauling opponents, not for target practice. Rune 2hs just suck except for kos and showing off of max damage. [/hide] Controlled training is actually equal to individual training if you do it right. Which is why longsword's controlled specializes. But the point is scimitars do more damage during normal training, which results in faster training than longswords controlled training. If you don't understand, let me cite an example. Lets say scimitar training on some monster gives you 10k xp per hour. Therefore it will take 3 hours to get 10k xp in attack, defence and strength. (assuming all of these train at the same rate) A longsword gives you 9k xp per hour. Therefore, using controlled training for an hour will give you 3k xp in attack defence and strength, and training for 3 hours with controlled will give you a total of 27k xp, 9k in each skill. This makes shortsword's stab useless. Make it significantly faster than long and maybe more accurate. And I already said daggers were useless in F2P. What if you have no food and low on health, and have to leave? Of course you need the extra prayer bonus from the mace (healing and protecting). But a healing of 14hp from swordfish will be more useful than a long wait rapid healing with prayer. Still, maces are useless except in this extremely rare and rather pointless circumstance. As I said, they ought to increase the warhammer's strength if they were to make warhammers effective. Yeah. A huge hammer doing lower damage than a medium sized battleaxe? Again, I already mentioned that KO is the only effective use for the 2H. And stab is useless with scimitars. Worst accuracy ever. what? I don't get your point. Training attack, strength and defense can all be done without stabbing with a scimitar. Battleaxes aren't good for normal training, which is why they aren't as common as scimitars/longswords. If you want my results when training on flesh crawlers with a rune longsword (aggressive style), you'll be surprised. And how dare you call me a longsword noob. :evil: I plan to get all 3 melee 99's with it (if I have time). I probably would be the first to get them with rune longswords or there might be someone who's done it before me. Honestly, if they really were to tweak the weapons, it might not be fair for all the rune scimitar users right now. In the end, rune longsword will be the winner and rune scimitars will crash. :roll: As I said, I have nothing against longswords. In fact, I hate the scimitar for being so overpowered. If you ask for my favourite weapon, its probably a maul or mace. Jagex has TRAINED experts in balancing out stuff, so they're not going to mess up and make Scimitars severely underpowered. As I said tons of times, I am not trying to get Jagex to nerf the scimitar so badly it can never be used effeciently, but to balance out all weapons. And sorry if I'm flaming you again. I did not intend this to be a flame war. I'm not like Compfreak, you know.

prayer noob- wth do I train prayer for then? runner noob- teleport noob food noob "mage" noob- What the hell? I get called a noob in clan wars because i used mage? "kill stealer" noob Noob for attacking the enemy in clan wars when he wanted to one v one someone. What the hell? Clan wars is not called clan wars for nothing... If you want to one v one go play duel arena. Def noob Noob for killing someone due to superior skills/strategy.

Interesting. Where's your data? Don't talk crap without giving your data/evidence first. Don't say I didn't provide data. I didn't, but I didn't say "the majority of p2pers are immature" or anything like that, did I? I only guessed why, I didn't state that so-and-so is true without giving evidence. Its just the few noobs in f2p who are immature. The rest are generally ok, but we tend to only remember the annoying ones.

Warhammers/maces were designed to defeat heavily armored opponents for god's sake. A thin sharp blade wouldn't make a scratch in good plate armor. Seriously... :roll: :roll: :roll: Rune scimitars, longswords, battleaxes, and two-handers are pretty much the only used melee weapons. I see people use those types all the time. Players in F2P use half the weapon selection - at least it is pretty much evened out then. Although other weapons (shortsword, mace, and warhammer most notably) MUST have a tweak. Otherwise they are downright not used. And I use a rune longsword. Longswords COMMONLY used? I must be blind or you are just "lucky". Battleaxes are rare and 2hs are even rarer. Really, only noobs use longswords (no offense), unless they're just showing off (though I don't understand what is so nice looking about a longsword anyway). And controlled training isn't effective. Its better to just get tons of xp in str, then switch to atk and change to def. Scimitars pwn in damage in ALL aspects in f2p, unless you're trying to stab/crush with it... :roll: As I mentioned earlier, almost no one uses controlled training. Daggers are totally, utterly useless in f2p. At least give them a speed of 8 or so if scimitar was to remain at 6, or change to 7 and scimitar at 5. Maces are crap. Period. Don't try to argue about prayer and healing and all that, you can just get a freaking swordfish with the space you waste with the stupid mace. Crush Accuracy? Who cares? Warhammers a brutal weapons used for mauling opponents, not for target practice. Rune 2hs just suck except for kos and showing off of max damage.

What kind of crap is this? If you can't think of anything constructive to say, just shut up.