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Fremmy isles isn't hard @@ I did it at level 50, although its probably possible to do it at like level 10 or something. What you do for the 10 trolls is fire strike them or something (use mage for convinience, as you will need it later) And then after one hit change your target. They will be killed by the Honor Guards but you will still get the kill. Then you go to the boss, protect from mage would help but is not necessarily. You attack the troll king from a distance with fire strike so you do at least 1 damage; bring 5-6 rings of recoils. With the Yak-Hide armour and Fremmy shield, the Ice Troll King has a max hit of 1 with range, his main attack. And every time he hits you he will get the same amount of damage back, but you will have to hit at least one damage for the kill to count, which is why you bring mage stuff. (They are weak against fire) It has 150hp so taking into account the mage attacks which can go up to 9, you will need around 200hp worth of food, plus another 100 for the previous trolls. So thats around 15 sharks, although i bought 20 to be on the safe side. On my current account i was a bit higher leveled, at level 70 so i could wear a dds. I just specced him at the start and ran away, because Ice Trolls are really weak to poison. You don't need it though, its still a really easy quest.

I choose to play it because its fun and relaxing, not so i can do some extra work. Like i said, people who try to get 99's can't torture themselves into getting a few pixels, surely they would find it at least a little fun, or otherwise they would do something more constructive which gives the same sense But i thought you said that skillcapes should be f2p because they would be the best cape in the game? In which case Godswords should also be f2p because they would be "massively powerful", making it worth it! Why not give f2p all the useless members only treasure trail items out there? Why not give f2pers a godsword but not give them the ability to fight with it? Any how is training for ages to getting 99 "special"? Isn't it the same as getting to 70, but longer? Why not give f2pers abyssal whips, so they can show off their achievment of getting 70 attack? So why can't f2p's have dragon axes so they can show off their achievment, albeit a shorter one? But remember members get more content, in this cape an extra cape. Or do f2pers deserve dragon armour to show off their riches? You haven't convinced me that skillcapes are a "special" item that is unique yet. 1)The people that have the patience to get 99 prayer in f2p are the people that will never become p2p, either because they think its a bigger achievment that way or because they can't afford it, see scenario 2 2) Yes, its "just a few months membership" but there would be alot of people that did that, resulting in more than just a few months of membership money lost. Wouldn't it be better for f2pers to get an update that encouraged people to get membership rather than discourage? 3.)He would also be happy is Jagex released another update for f2p instead that would also increase the number of members, or potential members. Also, him being happy does not give Jagex more money for more updates 4.)Once again, see section 2. This whole scenario thing was about how Jagex will lose potential money and likewise potential updates; if your argument is "so what?" than that doesn't really answer anything. 5.) and 6.) I made this scenario to show that most new players won't join up because of the promise of getting an item for free after potentially several years of playing the game. As i have said before, would you consider someone who ripped pieces of paper all day a hard worker or someone with too much time on their hands? I probably won't be able to post until the weekends guys, or at the least, not be able to reply to each and every post directed at me So be patient until the weekend^^

Um, are you serious? The whole point behind the release of skillcapes was that there was no recognition, or even acknowledgement, in the game for the significant achievement of reaching level 99 in a skill, something that should have some recognition. Achievements like having lots of money already have recognition. Duh. It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is to get 99. It only matters that you can get 99, and that without a skillcape, it doesn't really mean anything. If there was a need for skillcapes in p2p that was enough to prompt their original release, that same need is just as strong in f2p. There are high scores already, and as i said before, do f2p players deserve godswords to show that they have 75attack, or dragon armour to show that they have 60 defence? How are skillcapes any different to any other item? And why doesn't it "really mean anything"? Does 70 attack not "really mean anything" if you can't have a abyssal whip? So if a 99 in f2p doesn't mean anything because there isn't a cape, could you tell me what getting a 99 in p2p means, considering that there are skillcapes in p2p? Also, this paragraph explains why i think that it isn't an amazing achievement

You insulted me for "posting all day". If you think about it, spending too much time on a "stupid online forum", of which you have 3 times as much posts as me is the same thing. So, have you admitted that you admitted are merely cleverly disguised bumps yet? Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument; [hide=wikipedia] [/hide] I would say thats what you are doing now You ignored all of the above, lol Er i don't even know what your trying to imply but what does that have to do with anything to do with this article? I'm just commenting that that section of your post existed to point out flaws in my character (flaming, in other words) that has nothing to do with to my argument, so you posting that didn't really make any difference... Ignoring the comments? Lol, tell me about it; you've ignored my comments once again Clearly, your argument doesn't make any sense due to contradictions, making it impossible to know what point your trying to get at. And how is this unrelated? Its your post in this exact same argument- unless you are admitting that you changed your argument because you realised you were wrong, thus making it irrelevant to your present argument? I tried to reason with you before, you said that you never said that skillcapes are hard work, then i tried to argue again and then you are saying that skillcapes are hard work. Your argument has no credibility if you agree with something yet disagree with it at the same time. Anyway, despite you contradicting yourself i think i understand what your new argument is. Here's what i wrote to perfectc; ^There's my reply Actually, you are the only one whose been saying that- my post was saying that if you insult me for posting my views on something that is supposed to be based on opinion, (which somehow lowers the credibility of my argument) why are you posting on why i'm wrong in whats supposed to be merely a matter of opinion? There you go. Also you once again ignored my "scenarios", in addition to most of my post, see above, although i can't say that i'm surprised though.

RWT. :roll: Undoing all the hard work Jagex has put in to stop RWT with such an update? [] LOL!! After karvinen posted, you removed the bit where you commented on how unbelivablely stupid everyone is nowadays. Nice one. On topic, i agree that its annoying but then low leveled armours would be incredibly cheap, which would ruin the game for lower levels because they wouldn't even really need to try and earn money, which is fun... just my opinion

You have to have a fit wrist :lol: Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :) You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement. Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration. The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill? Without using they don't pay argument :lol: In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about. How are skillcapes different to any other item in the game? Do f2pers deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, and that they would be the "best sword in the game" (according to you, f2pers apparently deserve skillcapes because they are the best cape by far) People say that getting a 99 is horrible, but why would they do it unless it was at least a little fun, which is the point of playing a computer game? Why torture yourself month after month to get a few pixels when you could be doing something constructive, and get the same sense of self satisfaction? All you need to get a skillcape is time, and people with high skills only really get that way because they have more free time than others. If i spent all day killing ants, would it show i'm a dedicated worker or that i have too much time on my hands? f2pers already can show that they have a 99 in a skill through the highscores. The cape is just another item. Why not make dragon axes f2p so they can show off that they have 61 woodcutting? Why not make Godswords f2p so they can show off that they have lots of money? That and the fact that Jagex would lose money, see my "scenarios". On the topic of scenarios, i'm not really sure what your arguments are directed at, as i only have 3 scenarios but you are talking about 6. o.O. Maybe try quoting me and writing your argument underneat it, it would be easier for me to see^^

OMG I JUST DELETED MY WHOLE POST I WILL POST AGAIN ONE SECOND kk i retyped it see below

I'm going off topic because you're not responding too my whole argument but just one part of it; as a result, i have to tell you why i think i'm right in only that section, while you only respond to a small part of that. Once again, you are ignoring my argument, and you are only talking to the bit about hard work. Its curious that you say that it is all a matter of opinion, making me wrong, yet you tell me why i'm wrong in a debate that is supposed to be a matter of opinion. Do you think that skillcapes are special? Do you think that they are any different to any other item in the game? And what aboutthe "hard" in "hard work"? And please, you make NO sense at all, i can't even decide what side you are on: Stop being a hypocrite, i can't debate with you if your arguments are going to change every 3 seconds

When did i say that? If you actually read my post, i said that skillcapes arent the only reason f2pers become p2p. I also never said that skillcapes draw people to becoming members- i said that skillcapes becoming f2p won't draw people to become members, making it a pointless update. Take your own advice and learn to read.... especially when i have had to repeat this multiple times Thats right, see above You insulted me for "posting all day". If you think about it, spending too much time on a "stupid online forum", of which you have 3 times as much posts as me is the same thing. So, have you admitted that you admitted are merely cleverly disguised bumps yet? Actually, you are responding to my "half-baked" crap atm, the only thing is is that you are ignoring most of it because you know you can't answer. Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument; [hide=wikipedia] [/hide] I would say thats what you are doing now

I think this topic is getting a bit off topic. So i will summarise why i don't think f2p deserves skillcapes. I don't mind f2p getting updates, i would love it if they had more fun stuff like boss monsters and ect. so that more of my friends would play. BUT, i think that skillcapes won't encourage more people to join or for people to sign up for p2p, but the opposite, if anything. This is why i think this; In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY. The fact that the most simple of bots can get multiple 99's should tell you enough. Is getting a skillcape "hard work"? Well no, i don't think so. What makes skillcapes so different from any other item in Runescape? Nothing. They are repetitive, yes, but is it hard? No, its a game, which exists purely to give you enjoyment, therefore you can hardly say that playing it was hard work. Maybe some people can't play because they have REAL work to do. We stereotype people with multiple 99's as ultra cool smart people that are amazingly hard and dedicated workers, when in fact, outside of Runescape they are probably broke people that are too lazy to get a job or something. (i know that not ALL people are like this) Do f2pers deserve Godswords? Do they deserve dragon claws? Do they deserve the whole world (in runescape) simply because its "harder" to get to because their teleports are limited?

Er... what 'crap'? Well you see the thing is that this is the debate section of the forums, so you should probably say why your right. So could you actually say why my argument is wrong instead of just stating what side your on, that would be helpful. If you want i can repost it. What mistakes? Rack your brains and tell me why i'm wrong, instead of insisting i am without saying why. Meanwhile, you can tell me how my description of your argument thus far is wrong, instead of flaming me but otherwise ignoring my post. I guess you agree with me then? Err if post counts are irrelevant why are you insulting people for posting a lot? And does that mean you are agreeing that my posts were well thought out while your ones were merely cleverly disguised bumps? I guess that automatically makes any argument you had useless....? What argument? I have already posted what i think is your argument, which clearly contradicts itself. Since you have yet to tell me how my description of it is inaccurate, i can hardly debate if i'm not even sure what side your supposed to be in, can I? Also, while i have clearly told you how you have not fully responded to my arguments, you haven't told me how i haven't responded to yours. Its really easy to say something without backing it up, right? Yeah.... sure, that sounds really convenient So you want me to post a response to your thread in the correct forum? You made your suggestions in the debate thread. What suggestions? :roll: :thumbsup: them ones. Do you know what will happen now? He will call you an idiot, but otherwise ignore your post. Then he will try to make this thread die to "prevent flamewars". Thats what usually happens Honestly [bleep] up. I was going to reply in a civilised manner when you suddenly turn up and spoil my mood. A whole lot of assumptions and [cabbage]. And get lost, will you? Stop coming and replying to my posts when you have nothing constructive to say. Anyway, I wasn't clear what you were writing about, perfetc. Just take it as a misunderstanding, ok? [/hide] And what does that have to do with anything? Its hardly a contradiction, lol? Thus far, i haven't seen "tons" of evidence about me contradicting myself, and i haven't seen you give an explanation for yours either.

My argument is very simple, i'll even dumben it down for you: "Skillcapes will not encourage much f2p players to get members, (look at my reply to Troact) so wouldn't it be better for f2p to get an update that at the same time gives Jagex more money through membership? Also, some people think that f2p deserves skillcapes because they are hard work. I don't think they are, because really all you are doing is playing a computer game, and after all, f2pers don't deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, do they?" You have yet to tell me why i'm wrong, but you have merely nibbled at the edges of one sentence. Point out how i supposedly contradict myself, lol. Now, heres a condensed version of your argument: "Getting skillcapes ARE hardwork!! (whilst ignoring the rest of my argument) And i'm not going to even reply to all of your post. This is not because i don't have an argument to counter it with, but because only NERDS with NO LIFE post of forums!! The fact that my post count is over triple of yours is irrelevant and the fact that i am conveying this message through posting on a forum is also irrevelant! And i NEVER said that skillcapes are hardwork, they are just repetitive!!!" Its impossible to debate with you if you are not even going fully respond to my argument, or if you are contradicting yourself therefore making it unclear what side you are supposed to be in. Oh really? Enlighten me. :D Meanwhile... [hide=] [/hide] [hide=] (Quelmotz is f2p and doesn't even have 70attack yet rants about the whip being OP)[/hide] [hide=] (I highly doubt that. Anyways, he is telling me this... by posting on a forum! Oh yeah, the fact that my post count is less than one third of yours makes me a complete no life^^)[/hide] [hide=] [/hide]

I just reported them for macroing... it that OK? because they are auto typers so

Lol? You're calling me a no-life nerd because apparently i post on a forum... or don't you see the irony in that? And i guess the fact that you having 3 times as much posts as me makes me a no life, but not you. No. The only reason you resorted to personal attacks is because you realised that you didn't have any argument to counter mine. Isn't it obvious? How else can you become a pro pianist or an awesome guitarist or if you don't practice a lot? Er yeah thats cool but how does that support your argument? There's so many things wrong with this post. First of all, you are trying to make it sound like you weren't the person who first said that i had disgusting reading skills. Secondly, you ignored a large chunk of my post: Forgive me for being so stupid but i don't see what made you "interpret" that i said the main point of getting a membership was for a cape. In fact, i'll post another one of my posts, which has the same ideas, but in more detail. I doubt you even read the post again. Does it say anywhere that getting a skillcape is the main reason for becoming a member? Noooo i don't think so. And thirdly- yes. I do think that. But i don't think that is the only reason f2pers get membership, which is what you are trying to prove. Actually, i did, so can you give me a reason why you are right instead of accusing me of not reading your post without even responding to my argument in any way at all? Read my post below. So basically, you are saying that you agree with me in the part where skillcapes aren't hard work, but the part you don't agree with me is the part where skillcapes aren't hard work. o.O So basically you're saying that getting a skillcapes are hard work, even though you said that it wasn't on your previous post? You clearly said in your previous post that you "never said that getting a skillcape was hard work" (which defeated the whole point of saying my post is wrong anyway, since you are agreeing to it). Now you try and say that yes, you do agree with me that getting a skillcape isn't hard work, but the part you disagree with is the part where you think that getting skillcapes is hard work. Contradiction much? Once again, you are changing your arguments because you realise that your old ones are wrong but you don't want to admit it. (Its hard) (Its not hard) (Yes, this is from the same person. If anyone wants it, i can give you tons of more examples where Quelmotz has contradicted himself)

How does agreeing that skill capes don't entice anyone to get membership support your argument...? o.O Well, some people have said that skillcapes should be members-only because it's part of the package you get when you pay the subscription fee, and giving them to f2p would in some way take away from p2p. I was addressing that sentiment. Yeah, you're right, but i thought you were talking to me...? :? I think you read my post wrong or something lol because i didn't say anything about that. Never mind.

How does agreeing that skill capes don't entice anyone to get membership support your argument...? o.O

Way to go and ignore most of my post... lol Practising a musical instrument requires skill, unlike playing Runescape. And to some people, it is work. They have to pass exams and if you want to excel you can't just play when you feel like it. And when did i say that i work during my spare time? Oh, and thanks for repeating what i said in my post. (Lol. You seem to imply that i said that playing a computer game isn't a "freaking" hobby) If my "WHOLE freaking post" implied that, why don't you go tell me how so? Maybe you're the one with "really disgusting reading skills". Why don't you back up your statements? Here, i'll even post my post again for you Forgive me for being so stupid but i don't see what made you "interpret" that i said the main point of getting a membership was for a cape. In fact, i'll post another one of my posts, which has the same ideas, but in more detail. Does it say anywhere that getting a skillcape is the main reason for becoming a member? Noooo i don't think so. Oh, really? So your whole post only existed to say that skillcapes are repetitive? Yes, everyone knows that. I never even disagreed. So why did you even reply to my post if we seem to share similar views? I mean, honestly, i may have other points, but that specific post you replied to only existed to emphasise that playing Runescape is not hard work, so skillcapes are not an amazing achievement. If you agree with me wtf are you trying to say? I have the suspicion that you are changing your argument because you realised that you were wrong but didn't want to admit it. Other parts of my post you ignored altogether.

OMFG! You are literally the only person who ever suggested this idea! I'm so [bleep] surprised that Jagex didn't credit you in this weeks update! I bet you smiled after you posted that didn't you? Your one of those 16yr old kids who thinks he so badass cuz he's a smartass online. You provided nothing to the conversation except a sarcastic and pointless statement meant to do nothing but try and belittle someone. You are what is wrong with the rs community Today versus the one I started with 6 years ago. I guess he could have been nicer... but to be fair your post (the one i'm quoting now) probably "provided less to the conversation" than his one did

I'm not saying that the skill cape is the only reason that people get members. I'm saying that f2p getting skillcapes doesn't benefit Jagex in any way. Wouldn't it better if f2p got an update that would also create new accounts/create new members, in turn allowing more updates? This would be a valid point if giving skillcapes to free players would take up a significant amount of programmers' time that could be spent on other updates; however, it's unlikely that is the case. I outlined my ideas on this before. Skillcapes are too much of a high leveled update. NO other item or quest requirement even comes close to getting a 99. I think the next highest is the inferno adze which requires level92 firemaking, which is only halfway to 99, and this is in arguably one of the fastest skills in the game. A 99 in a skill in f2p would take several hours to earn. (BTW, don't confuse this with hard work) Scenario1: Level 60 who has finished all the free quests ect. There are no skillcapes, but there has been some other update- like a new boss. He fights the boss, and then realises that its really fun and after a week he gets members so he can fight more. (Well, he isn't going to kill that same boss over and over again for several months, is he?) There are skillcapes. He decides that he wants a strength cape because they look l337. Several months later, he gets one. It looks cool, but he decides that it would be even cooler if it was trimmed. He tries to get 99cooking but after a month he finally decides that he wants members instead. Thats a few months of membership that Jagex lost. Scenario2: A competitive f2p player who is always at the top of the f2p high scores/someone who can't afford to pay for membership There are skillcapes. He gets an extra item and is happy There are no skillcapes. He stays f2p because his achievements are more impressive that way/he can't pay for membership Either way Jagex does not get any money from membership, by far their main source of income Scenario3: A person wondering whether he should start playing Runescape. His friends tries to convince him that he should: There are skillcapes. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that if you spend several months clicking rocks you get a free cape!?!!" There are no skillcapes, but instead Jagex adds a new mini game to f2p. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that you can play castle wars!?!!" A new player would be more enticed by something fun, rather than by an item they won't get for months, probably years.

This difference. There isn't 1. If you don't move it will hit you, it's not like the armour makes things pass through you at random chance so you must dodge the hit. Maybe the sword harmlessly hits your shield or something^^. But seriously though, i don't really care about defence not being realistic, if that was a problem then there would be far worse content that would need fixing in RS. But its annoying that as you get higher and higher leveled, fights go from 3-9-5-0-12 to 0-0-0-70-0-29. Do you know what i mean? Weapons shouldn't really have any strength bonuses because armour doesn't have un-strength bonuses.

I'm not saying that the skill cape is the only reason that people get members. I'm saying that f2p getting skillcapes doesn't benefit Jagex in any way. Wouldn't it better if f2p got an update that would also create new accounts/create new members, in turn allowing more updates? Doesn't matter, it still doesn't change the fact that all you are doing is playing a computer game and doing what should be a hobby. A skillcape is not something you deserve because its an "awesome achievment". Its just another item. Do f2pers "deserve" God Swords because it takes longer to earn? Do f2pers "need" Dragon Claws because in order to get them, they have to "work hard"? Also, you are being very confusing. You tell me that getting a skillcape qualifies as work but yet you are telling me the opposite here. You seem to disagree with me about skillcapes not being an amazing achievement. If, according to you, they are an amazing achievment, they must obviously be respect worthy, right? Example of you disagreeing: Yet you seem to agree with me here o.O

Definitely. Past rune, no one buys armour in full sets until really high levels because its too expensive. How many level 70's can afford full dragon? Dragon full helm and Dragon Platebody, even the dragon chainbody are ridiculously overpriced compared to d med helm and d legs. 3A is a bit different though. They are like party hats.

If so, could you please point out what made you think that supposedly i think that the the main factor of getting a membership is for the cape? Which is weird since I obviously don't think that all nor do i recall implying it. In fact it doesn't even have anything to do with my points. Perfect probably misread my post or something. Speak for yourself. You don't actually think that getting a skillcape qualifies as hard work simply because its repetitive like an office job? Getting a skillcape may be tedious. But its not work. Its playing a computer game. Get over it. Even answering a phone would be intense thinking compared to clicking on a tree while watching TV or something. Yep. Dedication and patience towards playing a computer game. Some people would call that addiction. Maybe i haven't tried getting a skillcape myself yet because i actually have real work to do...lol.... don't get me wrong, i don't think its bad to get a skillcape. I will probably try to get one soon myself. But surely, playing Runescape (which should be a hobby that you do in your spare time) and doing your job or studying for an exam or practicing a musical instrument ect. would be slightly different? Oh, and its funny (and hypocritical) that you tell me not to "criticize what i haven't tried" when i recall you criticizing WoW (and even outlining points describing in detail why its bad) despite never having played it yourself.

Yeah.... and how many people want an achievement cape just for its stats? :roll: They maybe a obby cape in stats, but their requirements are very high. I mean, its pretty obvious that getting a skillcapes take a lot more time to get than an obby cape. New players won't sign up for a runescape account because skillcapes are f2p, and f2p players won't become members because they have skillcapes either. It would be a pointless update. Also, lots of people try to make it sound like skillcapes are something that they deserve. You do not have to "work" to get a skillcape, but in fact you just have to click a few pixels representing a rock or a tree many times. Only in Runescape can playing computer game earn you respect for having apparently worked hard. A skillcape is just another item. Not having skillcapes is not some kind of horrible punishment. I just relised this was posted :lol: What other reason is there to a get a skill cape? The 1st time I saw 1 (I wasn't around when they were brought into the game) I thought "I guess he has 99 att" then carried on with what I was doing, I never gave him any respect or anything. Why are you making it sound like the only reason people get membership is to get a cape? If that is your only reason to become a member your crazy. There's 1,000's of reasons to become a member and you think the main factor is some cape!?!?! :shock: In a sense you are working, you are working towards a goal. You might not get tierd from it but you are working. What about people who work in offices all day just sat at a computer? They get paid to do that and if they stand out they get a rise or a promotion in acknowledgement of what they have done, the same as a f2p clicking away should get something for spending 3 times longer as a member to train the same skill. Point out where i said that the main factor of getting a membership is for the cape.... please... :wall: And the difference between playing Runescape and working in an office is that people that work in offices actually do work, instead of playing computer games. Playing a computer game where all you really have to do too excel is click on a rock several times does not require physical or mental superiority nor does it require intense thinking and effort. Seriously... Oh yeah. And i don't even think you know what side i'm supporting. Because i never said anything about how capes give "respect". In fact, if anything, i have been saying the opposite by saying that skillcapes don't require any sort of skill at all.

Well i played 5 hours in the last Saturday of the holidays (my record), and i did nothing but skill. I earn like 25kexp an hour at flesh crawlers so that would be 125,000xp