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That should be obvious...to be able to access it in the future. There is a reason the best clans don't let in just anyone. Comparing a clan to a public fansite generally doesn't work, As a guy with a near decade in fans, i'd be happy to argue why if you really want to go there.

To follow up on tripsis A public private forum is a horrible idea for the boards in my view, a breeding ground for corruption and a flagrant way for people to rub elitism in others faces, we're all equal. I see No Limits to the douchebaggery (thats my made up word of the day) - that would occur in a public private board for the "best of the best" - people would think they are better than the others and look down on good members not in for whatever stupid reason critically, I've seen it done on other forums non-runescape related and being in both sides - never saw it work flawlessly. Just more resentment and a divided community. I'm against the idea - we need to come together in general as a community, not divide ourselves because we are assclowns who don't agree with each other and hate those who don't play like us. I couldn't bear to see our community be a divided elitist vs regular guy forum :(

The Man sat alone at the back of the dimly lit tavern. Smoke filled the air as he watched the sparse amount of patrons move about the place. The smoke like a fog thick in the air served as both a veil and a curse making it harder to do what was his goal. He sipped at his scotch as he pondered the individual patrons. Some would be threats, some would be annoyances, some would serve other interests. Vices he thought as he sat down his scotch. Everyone here has one, no one is as strong as the facade they parade around like just like newly christened beauty queen in a parade - they act proud and strong but on the inside they are weak and insecure What drives a man to pursue this path in life? an event of horrible violence, a thirst for bloody Retribution? His story was irrelevant, he viewed the past as a window to his soul, something that he often needed detachment from to pursue his endeavors He sat down his half empty glass again as he eyes the barmaid with lustful eyes as he grinned under his fedora. smirking he mummers to himself. I guess even I have a weakness He surveys the tavern scene skillfully...waiting for something or something to make a move Character Profile: Real name Name: Jacob Spector Gender: Male Age: Early 20s Height: 6 ft. 4 in Weight: 250 lbs Main Combat Style: hand to hand Profession:Classified Specialties: Small Arms expert, expert marksman, hand to hand combat, has a dark power that few know Equipment : independently wealthy, supplies his own state of the line gear. Wears an obsidian amulet around his neck Fights with animal-like instinct and commands military esque battlefield intelligence. Has mastered the art of Melee Combat and is well Adapt in most small arms and hand to hand weapons. He has an ace in the hole he rarely uses due to the power and drawbacks of it. He's at a glance a highly religious and gentlel man, however his friends and family say he acts like he's distant and he's much more serious and cynical.. He is socially withdrawn, distrusting of strangers and paranoid of peoples intentions. He knows he has a secret agenda and others do as well. He places high values on honor and morality. He has an addiction to attractive women and likes lifes finer things

The reason I suggested splitting a couple forums was that I got a sense you from one of your page 6 posts that you were frustrated with being forced to have a "hands off" approach to moderating while banning some users would help the problem. Splitting General Discussion would give you a justification to remove any posts (or even all the posts of a particular user) you felt were too elitist and disrespectful without being bad enough to warrant moderation under the current system from most forums. It is indeed naive to believe that some of the posters under fire won't go out of their way to cause trouble. This would just allow you to deal with them without any controversy concerning overmoderation. Right now only the absolute worst posts are removed, when most of the outcry seems to be over subtle or controlled flaming, elitism, baiting, etc Woah, thats the last vibe I want to give out, I'd rather not ban anyone who didn't break the rules because they were a jackass or annoying.

I'll bite I admire your boldness - However if you admit you are part of the problem multiple people feel that exists on this thread, does it not bother you at all? While you don't think it's a problem - others do - isn't it sort of self arrogance to justify your behavior as ok because you see it as such? I say this as a man who has had enemies on this forum years ago and enjoyed the banter with them - then i grew up - but your commentary here is socially irresponsible. Technically nothing is a problem until socially it's deemed unaccepted i realize it's a forum, but it seems insensitive. Sure, but being a douchebag is universal eh? I'm sure he admires your self righteous arrogance. There's alot of patronizing by both sides and alot of elitist drivel by both sides - No side is better than the other really. Hell I'll even concede, I'm an elitist to a degree We strive to maintain an unbiased view in all of our moderating. To me this is flawed logic, because personally I know people who dismiss people because they didn't play classic, Same thing will happen regardless of segregation. splitting boards wont keep the debauchery on one forum and not the other.

ah a time when coolness had nothing to do with xp/hour vs gp spent :-D

we had those in classic :unsure:

who cares what other people think of your gameplay. Are we that thin skinned? Seriously - what can be done to make this a better community? anything?

This is what i'm talking about, I see so many people reading, Good posters - quality intelligent people. Yet they remain silent. Today is your day The community is YOURS. Seize it.

You are confusing me.... I said nothing about people flaming you.... :unsure: General statement as i'm sure someone will reply - get upset by my reply and debate me hard back and then someone will report them for no good reason Lol

No, one person did. Das was talking about how people should show respect to each other without resorting to elitism. Not once did he mentioned efficiency. Can you quot bladewing's post again, and then BOLD the part where he said Das? Who cares who he named or didn't name. but to me he didn't name anyone... That was my point...Thanks for your understanding. I don't really give a damn if people flame me anyway. I'm a big boy, I can take it :P Anyways, about staying on topic... as long as we are having an intelligent conversation, asides what happened to the community is such a big assed topic it can't be summarized in a "Stay on topic" kinda way

No, one person did. Das was talking about how people should show respect to each other without resorting to elitism. Not once did he mentioned efficiency. Can you quot bladewing's post again, and then BOLD the part where he said Das? Who cares who he named or didn't name. but to me he didn't name anyone except said "I was an elitist because I knew they would of called me an efficiency noob"

Woulda/Coulda/Shoulda is all it takes for someone to see your post and label you a jackass out of the box. On the internet all we have to make a first impression is our ability to type words well and how we word them. Personally I don't see why people get their panties in such a bunch over efficiency - it's a bloody game, play it how you want too - as long as it is legal and get your levels and have FUN - if you don't like how someone else plays - Who the freaking hell are you to judge them really? I remember in classic - this idiot named oergg walked around maging cows and just jerking around and i thought - hey he's a noob when it comes to runescape - but you know what? that noob was one of the coolest people i've ever met on this game and a good friend years later - as for his skills? He eventually had fun leveling and passed me in total and became a pretty serious pvp'er - a better pvper than i ever was. People will change playstyle over the years and you know what - WHO CARES - it's a game, where you have fun. Lecturing and belittling someone does nothing but breed contempt - maybe if you followed a management model of compliment, critism, compliment - but a holier than thou perspective does nothing but turn people off.

Yes. Then in effect you talk all day to say nothing. You will never win people to your side by hostile posts or posts written as to make people feel you think you're better than them - it's an endless cycle of contempt that will breed as bitterness only grows as an effect of elitist views being shoved down your throat. No one is better than anyone - we all share the same common bound of humanity.

irony...You begin to lecture on attitude and yet end your post with a comment calling them children? Do you expect people to listen when you're posts are obviously written from an elitist perspective?

I've been around this game for 9 years, this site the same. I'd be willing to bet serious money that you could gather 20 members at random - ask them to write down what time frame "is the best" in forum history and you're going to get about 15-20 different times. You're going to get about 10 different definitions of flaming and about 10 different versions of what people think debating is - it's rather humorous. What has changed about the community? The intelligence level has been the same for a very long time in my view, and thats not a compliment - the game, not just this forum has been operating near inbreed ineptness for years - people debate by restating the same flawed arguments differently - by replying to posts with the reading comprehension of a three year old - because theres no way a highschool educated poster can read over half of these posts and reply the way they do, completely glossing over the prior points and counterarguments raised. Does the community have less respect? it hasn't had respect for the past half-decade - It won't change overnight The only reason any of what i've mentioned so far is noticeable on this forum is because about 5 years ago - the staff banned people for anything - disagreement with staff policies in public, breathing the wrong way - Tip.it had a very negative reputation that it didn't really recover from for years - it takes awhile to heal bad reputations for quick banning. Now we try to follow the rules and reform users instead of being authoritarians that are overzealous. This was cried out for years by the users, ignored and evident by the lack of activity. One thing that has changed and maybe thats because I am an admin now is the level of hypocrisy of users - some people actually debate with post - reply to counter arguements with something that doesn't make sense - while reporting the post they are replying too - it's like they can't handle being shown publicly they are wrong - it's amusing. People also get offended over the drop of the hat - maybe they just want the people who destroy their flawed arguements gone - who knows. Sure there are some jackasses , douchebags and trolls on the board that i'm sure if they left, the board would be more serene and "nicer" - but it would probably be a hell of a lot less active, because in the old days? in my rose tinted past? The intelligent people beat them down with logical intelligent posts that people rallied behind and laughed at the unintelligent or trolls - people could take being told "you're wrong". now they hide like cowards life was good. I'm going to ask a question, - You can't reply with Ban X. Hello Tif, look at your Forums. now back to me, now back at your Forums, now back to me. This is tip.it, . look down, back up. where are you? you're on Tip.it. with me an admin who cares about the people want. what's in your head? type back at me. i have the power to try to make changes here. look again. close your eyes you are me and you are on a horse. What would you do?

- Why did jagex, a company famous for babying the idiots of the community (Wilderness Ditch, doomsayer warnings, and other inane measures for idiots) - Not release a tutorial for such a lengthy, large and somewhat unclear game? - Why is this game so slow in terms of gameplay speed? it's a farcry from efficient - the payoffs for the speed hardly seem worth it. - How did jagex feel about it inside the office before releasing it ? In my 9 years of playing, it's probably my least favorite content ever released.

What is this? This is a place where I will share my Poetry online. I'm open to feedback and criticisms and comments - Poetry is art - and I enjoy the good and the bad criticisms. I will be using this post to showcase my poetry for my own amusement - here are four recent works I have written. I write to take for a challenge - either self expression or exploration of a mindset or idea. I try to touch on life, love, loss, current events and politics - I'd say i'm heavily influenced by the hip hop culture from mainstream to the underground over the past 20 years. As for myself, i'm no writer, English was never my strong suit, I preferred History,Science and technology in school, but i adore the thought of creating something I hope if you take the time to read my poetry, that it entertains you, inspires you or touches you in some way - hopefully it doesn't waste your time [hide=The Ocean: Night Vs Day] I can think of nothing as contradicting as the ocean sea The contrast of it during night and day is different to me In day the water stretches to the end of the horizon and shines bright The waves crash playfully and unpredictably in the days light The birds walk about and the place is so serene You feel at one with yourself and the world if you know what i mean The salty air creates a fresh and energetic feeling The solitude of the ocean at day is so healing. At night it's like the ocean brings out Mr Hyde. Waves crashing with reckless abandon as they collide with the unforeseeable coast line at night the water and the shore align to make music that sounds so sublime Nature going at it's own accord in the darkness i feel restored the waves crash with fierce intensity nature acts with it's own independent propensity the waves sound so rough but i take comfort in their struggle knowing deep down what the night manages to smuggle It's funny how something as little as your sight Can change how you interpret what happens in the night The day can make the beach so beautiful and tranquil I stand on the sand, Arms outstretched alone in the Bastille The water rushes along my feet to and fro I don't know when the water will come or recede absent of the moons glow I feel one with nature, with the universe, with god tonight Inhaling the cool salty air in the dead of the night Nothing distinguishable in my sight.. Just the sounds of one of natures delights In this moment, I feel smaller than ever before as the water comes and goes ashore... I sink to my knees in the wet sand Theirs nothing in the world I can't withstand I thank god for everything's he done for his mercy, for his love and his son I stand and walk to civilization humble Content as I hear those waves rumble [/hide] [hide=Overcoming Adversity]The past few days have been tiring and unforgiving, took me awhile to move on took lots of talking to god, self reflection trying to hide the fact I'm withdrawn Got to learn who I really am What really makes me a man I knew I'm not special, I knew I wasn't perfect But my Honor and Integrity shone leaving myself with self respect. The toughest thing I ever had to do was confront my growing fear Handle it with professionalism and tact and not run and disappear When All I wanted to do was hide, vanish from sight How dare you tell me everything will be all right You don't know how I feel, You can't relate to my pain Someone Hold me, Don't say a word, is it inhumane? I guess I now know why I'm religious, it's something more than Holidays and a Business In my darkest hour when my life was spiraling out of control When I wanted nothing more than to Scream obscenities and let go Christ comforted me and my friends supported me in my darkest hour Weeks later, I emerge stronger. It will take more than that to make me cower. I made a mistake, it's an instant regret. Whirlwind of emotions none of them taking set Twist the knife deeper and gloat Go ahead, finish me, slit my throat. Nothing can top the shock of what I went through First was the anger, how I wanted to curse and spew I was Livid, I was pissed, Never saw it coming The angering growing, I only thought about a way to make it numbing Drinking down my woes, trying to find a release Anything to get my mind to get these thoughts to cease The feelings of you questioning everything about yourself that you know Evaluating you're strengths, weaknesses where you need to grow. Sometimes a crisis can redefine who you are Weaker being s crumble when the door to their emotions is kicked ajar. You gotta be careful to let it not bring you asunder You got to not be overwhelmed with the Shock and Wonder Sometimes bad things happen to good people who don't deserve it But lifes not fair, not every innocent man has gotten acquit To be fair, I made the best of what I had at the time I didn't realize one day my Utopia wouldn't be sublime Innocent actions can turn sour The Backlash can Devour Should I let it be a regret? Does the view look better from another Minaret? I did what felt Warm and Bright, felt right Delight turned into Despite then to Incite I can't beat myself up for doing what I did Nor can my actions I can completely forbid For i'll do it again another time another place Every detail will change, but ultimately I will replace My failures and fears and hurt with something more New Memories to make, More life to explore. I can't say that I wont make another mistake But I want to live life fearless and risks I'll take Not all situations turn out the same I guess in some respects Life is a game When you fall, you got two choices, stay down or get on your feet Victory after complete and total failure will only taste sweet. Life can't stop me, Fate can't control me, and a bad experience won't slow me I'm going to live life with no regrets, and try to "Just be" The future is as bright as you make it and life's one [bleep] to who I will not submit I could stand afraid looking back at how things didn't go how I wanted. But I'm strong and will take the hurt and stand alone undaunted I made it through my trials and tribulations tougher than ever Thanks to friends who will stand behind you Whenever, Whatever wherever. Another day awake, another lesson learned More Life experience, even if I got burned. Not to sound Cliche, but what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger My pain, My failures, My emotions will hold me down no longer. I stand today more resilient than ever Ready for even worse weather. I look into the sky with a smirk, Resolute With a laugh I think...It will take more than that to get me destitute [/hide] [hide=overcoming adversity]I cant help but to fear the unknown it's something I've done as I've grown All I want is to feel like everything's all right I don't want to fear the anguish when I stay up at night I long for companionship, to have a void filled Give me a Glass of Love Bartender Distilled. Take away the parts of pain and longing just leave the parts of happiness and belonging I've wanted lots in life, and seldom been let down if love was a drug I've never been high enough to come down I want something special, Unique Got a college education and smarts, but I don't know what I seek I want to analyze everything i hear or see try to figure out what it means for me it gives me something to take my mind away I stare into the moonlight, the sky is Grey Half ignited, half alive The rest of the sky may as well died. Love, illogical, unquantifiable Yet emotional, the need for it is undeniable Any scientific formulas for it have proven unreliable Can I question true love and my faith in God be Viable? Lots of questions, few answers would feel more efficient trying to cure cancer I try to hide whats wrong secretly listening to another song about love, loss and pain Hiding it all is so f**king easy to feign opening my emotions is something i try to hide I don't want to look weak and let people think I've cried it's hard to find a balance emotions and testosterone is a tricky dance whats accepted whats not? Will love ever give me a shot? Who knows, who can say I know Who i am and at the end of the day I like who I am, I'm proud of what I do is it wrong to want someone who feels the same way too? they say it's never wrong to dare to dream.. But sometimes the impossible is so daunting it seems. [/hide] [hide=A Rap: Written to the Beat of that Airplanes song] I wish she knew I exist Instead of being a guy in her midst I often wonder why I even try Some days I dont even know why Gotta Get it off of my chest That i'm not the same and i'm a cut above the rest But i go on unoticed by the ever beautiful hostess Everday feels the same Work, sleep and try to prove to myself I have game Generally from the melancholy I abstain Yet it's a cause for celebration crack the champagne Drown my sorrows in a glass watching my time slowly pass I look into the mirror and see my reflection Confident, strong yet needing affection The Days grow old The winter feels cold Faith in the Power of prayer To combat the lonely despair The need for another comes and goes As I pen another lovesick verse I suppose Time goes by, My hair turns grey I wish for true love for yet another day Can't see the lights in the sky tonight The CLOUDS cover up the planes in flight Gotta Stay optimistic melancholy or hope - which one is it? Tommorow is another day I don't give a f**k what people say everyone has a weakness I ain't affirmed running at preakness No matter how strong you are Something will hit you with the force of a speeding car From 87 to 2010 i've been a warrior since i've begin At times I feel I walk alone reaped the seeds i've sown never said anything I regret I stare into the sunset Watching planes fly by Making wishes, might as well try they may be Unlikely to come true Truth is i'm overdue I'm the best damn catch in any state Guess i'll just have to wait For someone to finally see Who I am - and like me for me Until the day life goes on In the meantime...[/hide] [hide=Demon in a Bottle.] Dear, Demon in a bottle How I want to throttle. Myself, Over and over again Why? Dont even know where to begin I got a lot of good things going on in my life A job, an education , why focus on the strife? I guess it's easy to dwell on everything negative All it does is frustrate me to the point I want to use expletives Drink another swig It wont Renege false hope that it washes away the pain Down the bottle in a desperate attempt to not feel the same if only I could have more control.. Maybe another sip is more medicine for my soul.. will life get ever better? My problems are hidden, not even a scarlet letter Drink to remember, drink to forget wake up from my sleep in a cold sweat it's just a dream my fears induce a scream as i adjust to my eyes to the light I realize i'm sober from the fright My fears are paralyzing the dreams I have are Tantalyzing Day after day, I do the same thing Eat, sleep work, try to get ahead Guess i'll do it until i'm dead I know what I want,but is it obtainable will i be able to keep it sustainable? I wish I was perfect, I wish I was special Maybe then the uncertainies wouldn't have my stomach in a pretzel. Another day done, more dreams and desires unfufilled. need a heart of stone with my veins chilled Maybe then I wouldn't care I'll Down another bottle...what do I care Anything to numb the pain Maybe when I wake the f**k up..I won't feel the same Whats real? Whats percieved and not there? What happens tommorow? is life fair? More questions that can be answered Refill the Tankard Complacency seems so simple Let my emotions be crippled anything to end the pain To get these thoughts off my brain Eyes heavy, can't stay awake My body is too tired to let the heart ache Asleep now I dream of the perfection Happy people, everyone has a beautiful complextion I guess everyone hurts But my pain is so subvert Will it ever end? Alarm rings, time to live life and hide it all under a feigned grin [/hide]

i used to do that...Then one day I just stopped.