Kimberly

What you're saying makes sense when compared with your statement of freedom earlier. But don't you feel every partnership you take on should maintain the same level of satisfaction for you and your partner as a bare minimum? And when I say strain, I'm not talking about simple jealousy. I don't know your history with committed relationships, but tensions in a relationship can be caused by jealousy, but they are not always the root cause -- disrespect, no chemistry, mistrust based on the integrity of another (specified in that manner to separate it from simple jealousy-driven mistrust), and so on are one of the many factors a relationship can experience. Like, I'll cite this case of a polyamorous group (1 man, 2 women, married to both of them): I don't know if I can link to this blog directly given some of its content but we can talk about the site via PM. That in my mind is the prime example of a poly relationship and based on what I've seen and heard discussed lately, it's not all that uncommon. A relationship where neither one's looking for a unicorn-styled "[bleep] 'em and leave 'em" partner that engages in an intimate interaction without forming any attachments. That's still a bit of a weasel-y answer since you could realistically maintain a poly relationship without damaging your life goals :P BUT ANYWAY! I'll cede then that the argument I made about your views on your freedom were incorrect. Now you'll have to forgive me for jumping around again, but given what I can interpret from your post (dislike of commitment) then isn't the better term for the relationships, or lack thereof, that you pursue just simply swinging? Not necessarily poly-amorous relationships? Because the difference between swinging and a relationship is the size of the gulf of an ocean and important to distinguish. Like, if you said to me, "Kim, did you know I only like poly relationships?" it paints a vastly different picture than, "Kim, did you know I'm poly?"

W...what? You didn't really answer my question at all XD Everything is out in the open but that doesn't mean that the trust in a relationship doesn't exist. I'm not talking about cheating, I'm talking about taking on another partner *with* your current partner(s) knowledge and seeing how they feel about it. If you're emotionally connected and committed to one person and they don't like another, would you dump them for the new person simply because of that disagreement? That's not a rational decision. Never in the example I gave, the act of taking another partner which I'd imagine would be extremely common, did the concept of "cheating" come into play. I am strictly asking about your take as a poly person. What would you do if one of your committed partners disliked one of your new choices in partners? No deception, no bullshit. That is undoubtedly a strain on the relationship. I also understand there are different degrees of relationships. Poly relationships differ from other open relationships based on the commitment to multiple partners. Otherwise, there's no distinction between poly and casual [bleep]buddies. Basically, I'm asking you as someone defining himself as a believer in the health and benefits of poly relationships, what would you do in that situation? And I ask this because I believe that the answer you give would contradict the freedom you claim to have because the degree of freedom you're discussing seems to only apply to swinging/one night stands/[bleep]buddies. EDIT: Sorry for the edits, had to fix some things that didn't make sense & run-on sentences/formatting.

It's a matter of freedom-- having the ability to do whatever I want, whenever I want, and without having to seek anybody's consent to do so. Long-term monogamy doesn't foster such a lifestyle. Do you not pursue committed poly relationships? I ask because it seems that if you did, you would at least tell your partners if you sought others, and that if they had a problem at least with that particular person, you would take that into consideration. Something like that doesn't break the "agreement" you all have about an open relationship, but understands that you're still committed to your current partners until the point that it fails to work out and you part ways. And if you had or ever will pursue committed relationships it seems like what you're explaining to be your level of freedom now isn't much greater than a mono committed relationship. (IE beyond simply dating and looking to "settle down")

Moved to Help & Advice.

So if I managed to get your password and botted on your char you deserve a perm ban?... Offenses gained while your account wasn't in your control are removed from your record in most cases. Kind of a weird point to try to make. It's not that weird. I was under the impression that when botwatch is 100% sure you were botting and bans you there is no return? It's not like a minor rule break like a swear. I would have a hard time imagining that if you contacted [email protected] or whatever it is that if you plead your case and it's investigated, you wouldn't get the ban removed just because they wanted to be hardasses. All similar issues like this in the past have usually been removed if it was proven they weren't in control of their account.

too bad it's a monarchy all hail ltk

For someone who has had a lot of recent drunk interactions/plans, you seem to be doing quite well for yourself. Good on you. :P

So if I managed to get your password and botted on your char you deserve a perm ban?... Offenses gained while your account wasn't in your control are removed from your record in most cases. Kind of a weird point to try to make.

Says it right in the news post http://services.runescape.com/m=news/sizzling-summer--choose-your-fate--promissory-note

Oh my god I can't stop laughing.

Completely irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make and yet again another needless shot. This is sort of exactly what I've talked about. I give up. This is almost as bad as the "Is there a god" subdiscussion.

Why? The issue is not that either of us choose what we choose. It's whether or not they're being a jerk about their choices, to put it bluntly.

in response to that i will now constantly have the avatar out so you never can

All advertisements belong in here: http://forum.tip.it/topic/313597-advertise-your-thing-here-all-posted-elsewhere-removed/ You're welcome to start discussions about programming here, but this isn't the board for it.

You can't quantify satisfaction. You can quantify success rates. It's like saying one religion is demonstratively better than the other because it has more or less adherents. Numbers are important, but they are not the bottom line. I get educating people so they're aware there's other choices. I think you've done that at this point. The pot shots you make beyond that are unnecessary and do not help your cause. That, at the very least, you should be able to see logically.

You can't boil relationships down to the equivalent of a stupid child making a mistake. The fact that you're doing so is not only stupid, but insulting. As for committed relationships, don't even try to say that you can't be committed to multiple people in polygamy. The fundamentals that muggi explains to people are sensible and can be applied to anyone regardless of their lifestyle. But that's not what I'm talking about when I got upset with his little snide "#monogamyproblems" comment. Don't twist my irritation with his constant badgering of polygamy being some superior masterrace lifestyle with my ability to understand his lifestyle choice. There's adherence to your lifestyle and giving advice, and then there's how muggi handles it from time to time. Not all the time. But a lot.

If I'm making it clear that I'm talking about trust as a universal element, I am obviously not talking about trusting someone to never cheat. Don't put words in my mouth. But you trust your partner or partners implicitly to be there for you, or to support eachother, or whatever of the dozens of ways humans develop trust in another person. And that trust can be violated either by callousness, disregard, carelessness, whatever. You might forgive them for a mistake, but trust is still something that exists and can be broken. As for "holding others accountable" that's also a crock of shit. You hold someone accountable when they make a mistake. The problem you have is that you view the different lifestyle they lead as a mistake because it's not what you have thought was logical. No one is doing that to you, so have the common courtesy not to do it to others. You don't need to be a one man political campaign for it when you can argue for it so eloquently and logically when it's actually contextually relevant. You're doing yourself a disservice and it's [bleep]ing annoying besides.

That's utter bullshit. All relationships, whether you're with more than one partners or not, operates on trust and understanding. And you can violate that - trust isn't restricted to who you [bleep]. I don't mind your lifestyle but good lord do you take every opportunity to wag it over others. It's unnecessary.

And the worst part of that act is the deception of it, which sure as [bleep] isn't exclusive.

#relationshipproblems Health of a relationship isn't exclusive to monogamy.

...So he doesn't just have a bronze fetish? Oh god. The images. Cannot unsee. 50 Shades of Bronze. Whelp. I'm off to look for the brain bleach. In other news, I'm pretty surprised there wasn't an update today. Hope there wasn't a delay. Aren't we getting the goblin village rework + the quest this week...or supposed to?

It's hardly game breaking, even without taking into account that we have no assurance that this will happen again.

Looks like I'll start having to hand-gather seconds for my summoning charms. Not like I've got anything better to do anyway. Won't throw my plans off too much to do summoning runs before fully training construction. Anyway, thanks for posting, I would've missed it too.

While captured by the red axe, no doubt.

This was posted by Mod Mike on Reddit They're the concept art & in-game screenshot of Doric's place in the new quest What's Mine is Yours