Kimberly

No, it's when others try to apply that predictability universally without allowing for any changes in their advice in regards to the user's situation. That's obnoxious. (Not a reference to you in the slightest :P) People tend to do that when they're just parroting advice they heard from others/other posters.

While this thread does discuss a lot of in-depth personal issues, please refrain from actually insulting/flaming other people. Constructive criticism is fine and encouraged, but try not to dismiss points with personal attacks. And feel free to report those who aren't respecting the guidelines we set here, or common courtesy.

I was expecting something else in the way of compensation for the players who could not be on to play without logging in until after midnight EST -- if they did at all -- in order to play. I will say though, it's better than the response we got from the tech support team, which I found patronizing. Still, that they acknowledged this at all and are working on optimization now alongside of infrastructure is a great thing. I'm happy to hear that as a player. Only a tiny bit disappointed. :P I don't see a lot of people complaining about the slight delay when compared to the people complaining about the game being unplayable between 7am and 10pm est.

I'd play if I had any assurances of reliability. The last two iterations of the server you let drop without a word or warning.

Please let's get back on topic. If you want to discuss education there's a lovely thread in off topic to do so. I've had to remove some posts that took it too far and started insulting other users -- this is just one of the reasons why we can't have nice things this is strictly a discussion about the RS progress of the Top 10 and potential candidates. PM me if you have any questions. EDIT: Hey, guys. I wasn't joking. Please use the link in my post to go discuss education elsewhere. I will continue to remove off topic posts as necessary -- please get back on topic. (Bold & color for emphasis, yeeeeee.)

I think what people are forgetting most is the fact that the boost is available to members...and free to play. That's essentially doubling the potential users cramming in play-time.

One of the better free to play moneymaking methods, and 50-50 games are a great way to practice competitive GOP. (Though there are like...only a small handful of good competitive gop clans.)

Far more common and sensible compared to tea bots. They do it for water tallies, which are good f2p money even outside of bxpw.

Pft that's too much work. Easier to ask. :<

Your avatar is [bleep]ing creepy. Did you change it for Halloween?

This is almost unplayable. :/ I don't blame jagex for this...but this couldn't have happened at a worse time. -_-

OH GOD NO. That looks like the Crypt Keeper. *shudder* That face was the bane of my childhood. It was massively popular in the early 90's and my parents loved to watch it...and insisted I watch it too to "conquer my fears." I think...I don't want the Ghoul Mask anymore...

horrible legendary

The attention you get from it is positive and supportive. In turn, you are positive. But you depend on that attention and it largely dictates your mood.

It does have a bearing. Whilst the rules may be out of our hands, you can still make an informed decision. I think the chance of getting banned using staking transfer methods such as giving PID in a vls stake are effectively 0. I.e. the rules cannot be enforced. If the rules cannot be enforced, then the only factor determining whether or not you follow them is whether or not you think that rule is right. Regardless of how well they're enforced and no matter how that risk affects your individual decision, the rules are completely out of your hands to manipulate in any way. You're saying you can make an informed decision - this is true. Yet no one is saying you can't. Simply that these rules, regardless of what you think, and the means to change what is and isn't okay in the eyes of Jagex, are out of your hands. As for the other part of your post, I think Myr summed it up quite well so I won't spin my wheels in the dust repeating the same thing haha.

If you're comparing them now in how they contribute then surely you're doing so accepting the fact that they are both contributing to that cycle, otherwise you'd be comparing two things that aren't similar. In this we are discussing only those who sell gold, not their intentions or reasons. I think we've switched tracks ever since Stev put it to the thread's discussion group whether or not selling gold negatively impacts the community. If this caused a misunderstanding I apologize. :) Thinking and discussing them is a great, but it has no bearing on the conclusion we come to here when this thread is through because these guidelines are completely out of our hands as is their enforcement, whereas buying and selling is an individual's choice. RWTing hurts devs when they have to waste resources or take drastic measures to "stop the bleeding" which in turn hurts the community, which is really why most of us care so strongly about these issues.

Just because those who sold gold have the ability to be replaced by bots does not mean that those who still sell gold aren't part of the destructive cycle that RWT creates.

I'll say what I've said elsewhere: supply and demand grow together after they've begun if left unchecked. Sure somewhere, somehow, originally a group had a demand, and the supply was created/shifted/whatever to meet the demand; but after that, they grew together under a system where RWT was able to flourish. It doesn't matter whether or not the supply would be found elsewhere with or without bots, the act itself is part of the cycle of RWT. The net actions of this cycle are destructive to the community indirectly, by either forcing Jagex to take extreme measures or by companies using bots to meet their supply quotas, or whatever. And even though the cycle is destructive to the community, those who take part in the cycle aren't always bad/lazy. But the line in the sand is there for everyone to see, and that's all that it comes down to at the end of the day. There's no need to turn this into a "Who watches the watchmen" sort of scenario or go on about philosophy and Locke's take on society. Arguing how much if any blame should be placed on sellers, buyers, or innocent bystandards, gets you nowhere because the system they all operate under does not allow for such behavior to exist in the first place.

I hate to stick my nose in here, but I think Free Trade/Wilderness removal was a big [bleep]ing impact on the community. Jagex could have lied for their reasoning behind it, but they stood nothing to gain by lying to the community about it, which lowers the probability of them misleading the community.

Both of you are kind of missing the point - if people are entitled to respect/praise/defend Suomi for their choices, so are those who disagree.

Yay I don't look like an emo gorrilla pig! And randoms are gone! Best day ever.

You misunderstand. It's not a justification for the activity. It's justifying a plea to a community to tone back the rabid-dog reaction whenever someone mentions RWT. It borderlines zealotry.

Something like that is utterly impossible to prove given that naming names here is not permitted. Arguing over something like this quickly devolves into a freak-out of arguing for arguing's sake. You have only their integrity to rely on as a result. Given the type of people Stev and Logdotzip are, who they are, and how they conduct themselves, it's almost insulting to imply they'd lie about such a thing, but hey. It's still reasonable (to an extent) to want to see proof of these outlying cases.

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There's absolutely nothing that would suggest that it was gone. :P You experienced a glitch. Log in and back out. I'm going to head this one off at the pass and lock the topic since the TC got his answer.