people generally say that because they can't get ps.. :-# (but mabye you actually like gimp more?) and photoshop is not dominated by brushes as you said so many times infact I rarely use brushes, the only brush i ever use is a 200px soft circle for my lighting and sometimes not even that... and it doesn't really look like you did much to your sig, the process doesn't matter so much as the outcome, so wha ti'm saying if it took you an hour to do this in pnr (is that what you called it?) it would be the same as taking 5 minutes in gimp/ps so try to do a bit more with your sig next time and i'm sure it will turn out better. :wink: Amen to all that. :wink: