If it was Jagex's game, they wouldn't be altering the game to suit the desire of a purported, albeit vocal, "majority". Man – you can tell that there's no one at Jagex who is a parent. The Pker's have been behaving like children in a department store, screaming about how they want (a certain toy) the "old wildy" back, and instead of curbing the unruly child's behaviour and telling them to sit the [bleep] down and shut up, they've been filling the shopping cart with a variety of items, time and again, in an effort to appease the screaming child. "Here, screaming child, how about "Bounty Hunter"?" "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" "Here, screaming child, how about "Fist of Guthix"?" "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" "Here, screaming child, how about "Clan Wars"?" "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" "Here, screaming child, how about "Soul Wars"?" "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" Nothing they have tried has managed to appease these people. Why in the hell do they think that bringing back the "old wildy" will work? What they need to do is behave like responsible parents and take the gods damned child out of the store, already and be done with it. Actually – no there isn't. There is a "majority" of people who want "the wilderness and free trade" back. There's a difference. A HUGE DIFFERENCE. If they wanted to make this poll realistic, then they should separate the two items completely. They are, in fact, two separate issues. And if you'd bother to read the other threads about "the old wilderness", you'd notice that what these people want is not "the old wildy" back, but rather a modified variation thereof wherein extremes, dunge weapons and other top-quality equipment isn't allowed, because it might "unbalance" combat. :roll: As I've said before, I don't give a rat's ass if they bring back the wilderness or not, or they allow free-trade or not, I will adapt and play regardless. What annoys me is that Jagex has back-pedalled on this entire issue and, once again, demonstrated poor leadership – which will be followed by further poor decisions, poor programming and more [bleep]ing, whining and crying by this imaginary "majority" of players. :rolleyes: Bits of your language and tone aren't very becoming, and I would appreciate it if you toned down the swearing and ranting. This isn't the Rants forum. Thinking and censoring/rewriting a bit before hitting Enter is always a good idea, and I often use that technique myself aswell. :) Back to topic: I am not sure how you can draw a conclusion about the Jagex Mods' real life based on how the company they work for listens to the majority of their young and adult players when implementing huge changes. I could make similar theories to support my view (A zoo decides to stop feeding the lion meat, and instead gives it various vegetables - then decides it's a bad idea, even though there are more varied vegetables and that veggies are better for many animals, and the zoo gives the lion meat again. Zoo = Jagex, lion = a lot of players, meat = old wilderness, vegetables = PvP minigames), yet all it does is telling a story about something else and it proves nothing about the given situation. If you want to quote me, at least quote the full sentence - that is common courtesy, and helps preventing quoting out of context. :) What I see on the various discussion topics is a generally positive attitude towards the old Wilderness. Many players have missed it, including myself. :) I am sorry that you chose to disregard some of my post, and compared pkers to crying children. A big part of them are, again, older than the average player base, and many of them have been playing for a very long time. Now I am not sure where your assumption about people wanting a Wildy Light version to avoid the complexity and possible imbalance of one where most equipment, potions and prayers are allowed. Like in the past, many clans stay in F2P for this very reason - and some pkers aswell. In fact, there are very few P2P based clans, and one of the reasons is because it is very expensive for the involved players. This won't change much, if at all, and these players have thoroughly expressed that they want something as close to the old Wilderness as possible. You asked if I had read any of the other topics about this, and yes, I have. On the different forums on Tip.It, on RSOF, on several clan forums and on a few other fansites. In addition I have been listening in on the discussions in some of the clan chats I frequent. Clans is something I take a special interest in, even though I am not a part of the Clan Staff anymore, so I make sure to keep myself updated on changes that may have an effect on the clan world and the views on it. I am sure you can find single quotes supporting your opinion that they "all" want a modified version, but the general tone is that they are very excited about the suggested implementation. Whether Jagex has showed good leadership or not, time will tell. However, taking feedback from the customer base in different areas is one of the main things I would consider important - in addition to creating publicity and securing a healthy company economy. To me, it looks like they are doing that quite well. :thumbup: When it comes to players whining... "Glass house" is my only comment to that.