Meh, I really can't add much more to Iggy's post, but I'll add this, speaking as a past member: Most of us past members have either given up on cabbage or just moved on for runescape. For example, I no longer play at all, except for an hour on holiday events.The forums us past members populate are the spam forums, which i can't really understand the problem about because they aren't open to recruits anyways. Second, to the Thread starter: The people you met were most likely recruits, like duncdar. The majority of them believe they are automatically "in" the order, but few understand how long it actually takes. Most people take 6 months to get into the clan, by which time they are known as mature and caring individuals, not someone who migrates from clan to clan every 10 days. Sadly, two different things have happened: the current acolytes decided that they need to pass on the message of "you aren't IN THE ORDER YET" a bit too roughly, discouraging some possible recruits, and with the turn runescape's community has taken, these new recruits are very few and far between. But i assure you, if they stick out and seem to be worth acolyting, they will be. And to Iggy: I'm not in college, but i still think i'm atleast somewhat mature. : [offtopic/]man i haven't posted on here in almost a year...