I still think I'm wasting my time, but here it goes. First of all, heaven is a wonderful place. It's a place God created to be worshipped and to reward those who chose Him. Hell is the exact opposite, where God punishes those who do not choose Him. Because God is everything good, the absence of Him is everything bad and terrifying and evil. If you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior and give Him full reign of your life, then you are "saved" and have entered into the covenant between Jesus and His Father when He died on the cross. Your salvation is now sealed. If you choose to live your own way (which is being rebellious and sinful), then you have chosen to live without God. That is your choice and results in the place we call hell. You avoid my question: How do we know hell and heaven exist? I never said I wanted God in this realm; I don't even believe in him :roll: I have the right to and will :) It's not a random book; It's a children's Bible. You're exaggerating (sp?) to put up more of a fight. Prove those eyewitnesses told the truth. I can't prove they lied, either. But what's unproven I will not believe in. You can't be two fulls; it's impossible :roll: We're rats trying to operate a computer; I get it. That's what the Christian teachers tell us. No, that's not true.. They say that, it's just because they have no "weapons" to fight back at the non-believers with. They resort to that, saying that nobody would ever understand. Why not say it out here? You know this how? You talk, but you don't explain. Back yurself up. And explain to me what happened to the person you healed; what happened? How do I know you're not lying, like you accused me of lying about the man who died on the operating table? By the way, let me just say that this is really fun debating with you :)