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You shouldn't need food with bunyip + proctect/deflect range with range armor. Prayer potions depend on your prayer level, bonus and other things.

obvious, but thanks for pointing it out i guess The problem with that is that the absolute max hit with zamorak arrows in safe pvp is around 400, which is far too low for any KO potential, however it could be useful in terms of being able to spec with full melee armor and not worry about accuracy, though the spec has no help in terms of increasing average damage. The people in my 2nd quote appear to have forgotten that fact bladewing. EDIT: And here is pretty damned definite proof that the MLB always hits. If I can hit on the KQ, WITH RANGE PRO, wearing veracs and wielding the MLB, that to me is conclusive evidence that you always hit with MLB. What's that in bold? or did you choose to not read that? In any case, 100% accuracy can't be proved by such petty tests- your assumption that KQ's first form has ridiculous range defense is actually very much incorrect- people used to kill KQ with range only before she got that ridiculous range attack. If it's an accuracy test, you can't arrive at any conclusions before hundreds of hits, thus why it's so hard to prove such a thing, but i'm fairly sure jagex themselves mentioned the 100% accuracy when the special attacks came out. Sorry, it's more efficient not to kill spiritual mages at all, thus you are doing something wrong when you are killing them.

from personal experience i get about 1 effigy per vled task, thers no way its 1 in 700 so yea if i get an effigy per 250 kills and everyone else in rs gets an effigy per 700 kills, idc as long as im getting an effigy per 36 mins if there is this droprate out there it means nothing, the only rate that matters is the rate that I personaly get effigys, not other people so i guess for me averaging an effigy per 30 mins of cannon is good, if nobdy else in rs does thats just fine since that means ill be doing this method, they can do their zmi You know that none of those arguments have any touch with reality? If the droprate is 1/700, then no matter what you do, your average droprate will be fast approaching the true droprate, so if you are getting lucky on a couple of occasions, good for you, but it's no better than claiming you can make 5b an hour at frost dragons, which you realistically could if every drop was a visage. Even though 1/700 droprate isn't likely to be close to the true droprate, it is MUCH closer to reality than 1/270, and since the scales of the tests are far different in magnitude, it'd be stupid to use the 1/270 value as reference. Sooner or later, you are going to not be so lucky, which is why smart people use averages over large scale tests. By the way, if you combine the two drop logs, you get around 550 kpe, which by itself if twice your claimed rate.

I think it would be the best option in terms of functionality and user friendliness.

The problem with that is that the absolute max hit with zamorak arrows in safe pvp is around 400, which is far too low for any KO potential, however it could be useful in terms of being able to spec with full melee armor and not worry about accuracy, though the spec has no help in terms of increasing average damage.

Sir, how is calling me a liar(which you effectively did) any better than me considering you stupid? I started out politely, pointing out that your argument about the KB was not really an argument, and you blatantly resulted to being ignorant and saying that i post lies. If you had any decency, you would have first resorted to trying out your claim, not starting a flame-war. You seemed to take the 100% accuracy of KS and DB specs as facts, but because i didn't mention having tried out the accuracy of the spec, i must have been wrong? Stop the hypocrisy, speak about what you know and don't start pointless flame-wars because you want to look better than someone- as we can clearly see, and i say this yet again, you were wrong on both accounts, so please, next time, talk about what you know as a fact(which is what i did).

Well, if everyone just wanted to do that, why do we even have a list of older quips in the first place? I'm sure he's not the only one ever missed the Red Chinchompas. Likely because the red chinchompa max hit isn't actually relevant- they are next to never used in singe combat situations anyway. But in any case, there really is no point in having all ranged weapons in the calculator, rather only those that are relevant for general training, otherwise the list would be inconvenient to use(it already is). It's much easier to look up the ranged strength and put it in the box, rather than making a topic about every weapon not mentioned there.

I'll consult your guidiance first hand next time, oh great know-it-all :rolleyes: Just sayin'...that sounded very arrogant. Did i say that i can be consulted on any subject? don't think so. The point is, if you blindly trust anything said in the RSKB, you are bound to get called an idiot time and again- it has nothing to do with what i know or the tip.it, but the fact that RSKB is known to be riddled with mistakes(and you could make the argument that you just found another one), but you still used it to try and prove a point(which you terribly failed at). You seem to be just blindly trusting a fansite.... You know, I've half a mind to test the MLB thing lol. I have tested this. MORE THAN 6 YEARS AGO. Thus, I knew the 100% accuracy as a FACT, thus i mentioned it as a FACT. Mr RSKB fanboy, however, had the nerve to doubt my knowledge, and what do you know, because the KB didn't have this particular piece of information, I had to be lieing, even though the fact was also mentioned on tip.it. I politely mentioned to that particular RSKB fanboy that the KB is known to have alot of mistakes, but he resulted to being ignorant to that fact, thus yes, I think he is an idiot. I never said that neither RSKB nor fansites are always correct or incorrect, but if you categorically refuse to believe something I know as a fact and require proof of something next to impossible to prove(and completely impossible in my situation), furthermore refusing to try it out for yourself, you are an idiot. All in all, all mr KB fanboy did is prove me right in both respects(MLB spec is 100% accurate and RSKB isn't reliable as reference). The problem is that he wanted proof of something. While it's easy to prove that the equipment stats of a particular weapon is wrong or right, things that delve alot deeper into the build of the game are very hard to prove, and sometimes near impossible. For accuracy, it requires a large amount of data to arrive at any meaningful conclusion, and even then you'd have to take into account that hitting a 0 doesn't always mean a miss, so even if you miss every (max hit+1)'th time, the special would still be considered 100% accurate.

As far as i know, and it used to be true, you can't get any more pieces when you've already got a set, you can however get more pieces when you drop the piece that you only have one of during the event.

Just write in your ranged strength bonus, no need for every particular weapon to be added to the list.

I'll consult your guidiance first hand next time, oh great know-it-all :rolleyes: Just sayin'...that sounded very arrogant. Did i say that i can be consulted on any subject? don't think so. The point is, if you blindly trust anything said in the RSKB, you are bound to get called an idiot time and again- it has nothing to do with what i know or the tip.it, but the fact that RSKB is known to be riddled with mistakes(and you could make the argument that you just found another one), but you still used it to try and prove a point(which you terribly failed at).

The major part of the cost of hand cannon is not from the shots, rather than the explosion of cannons. Dragon darts cost around 400k an hour.

The quote from tip.it is proof enough for near everyone, including me. You can't prove me wrong by the quote from KB, as it doesn't specify anything about the subject. Not to mention, i have ALOT more experience with magic longbows, i've been around from the release of the special attacks and thus know what they actually do. As for the KB, it's not only incorrect in the subject of dungeoneering, there have been alot of other mistakes that have been corrected in due time. Not to mention, jagex has proved time and again that they have very little knowledge of the game, there are numerous members of this forum that i trust above jagex. Also, as i said, i'm not a member- i can't and couln't prove it, and absolute proof of the fact is theoretically impossible due to the build of the game. I'm not saying you are stupid because you do or do not trust me or tip.it, but rather because you trust a vague quote from RSKB over me/tip.it.

I think dragon darts would be the best option- they are actually very inexpensive.

errm, so 27k kills is inconsistent but 6k kills is the true rate? you know it makes no sense, right? From my personal experience, the rate is no higher than 500 kpe, 700 not being unrealistic. I agree that it's a just goal, but it's pointless to make conclusions on a small number of kills.

Why do people say this when bloods are more gp and exp per ess? the multiplier is much higher for deaths than it is for bloods.

effigy rate from vleds is about 1 in 280 according to lagota pros 200m slayer thread i can also back this up from personal experience, i average almost 1 per task, i say about 5 effigys per 6-7 tasks 450/h is about accurate but not just effigys, im currently experimenting with the fastest effigy per hour, currently vleds are winning but im trying to find a better one in fact as long as you can get an effigy every 96 minutes its better than skilling im sure therse an even better method out there but for now vleds are the best in my eyes a friend of mine is cannoing vleds for 150 effigys so he can get 99 rc, so far hes 100% convinced its faster than zmi Umm, with a log of 27k kills and 700 kpe(kills per effigy), i doubt it's anywhere near accurate to claim the rate is anywhere near 270 kpe. I, for example, have got around 320 kpe at frost dragons, and it's not too near a claimed rate of 450 kpe over 33k kills, but atleast it's realistic.

He is likely just using some ridiculously high effigy droprate for some cannonable slayer monster. As far as i can tell from any meaningful droprate figures, there are no monsters that even drop 1 effigy per 1 hour, let alone 36 minutes.

It's not comparable to bronze knives- they are 50% faster. It's more or less comparable to normal shortbow+bronze arrows+accumulator.

I never said it was an argument, I just said I wasn't going to do it :rolleyes: I also didn't know that fan-sites where always correct either. they aren't, thus i never said that if it's said on tip.it, it must be true, but i'd rather use tip.it to settle any arguments than the rs KB- The KB is ridiculously riddled with mistakes with noone to account for them, tip.it has actual authors. Your argument seemed more like that if you had MLB, you'd do it, but it's just that you would blow smoke and not back anything up. As far as i can tell, you have no proof that it isn't 100% accurate(the KB doesn't say that it isn't) and i have atleast some proof of it(tip.it says it will always deal damage).

RC really isn't a moneymaking skill anymore, so it should always be done at ZMI- even at 99 rcing deaths, the profit is pitiful.

Well actually, he is also assuming very high combat levels and very good combat equipment/FSH for SGS, so the levels are more or less equal. For example, a for someone level 110 training at bandits, sgs would be terrible.

Calculate the whip dps on the melee dps calc. And actually, on very low defense, rune knives have higher DPS.

you can kill around 450 muted velds an hour, so that's one effigy per 1 hour 36 minutes. Dagannoths might actually be decent as you kill around 1k an hour, with ~1 per 1500 droprate. Nothing i can find in the list of slayer monsters is closer to 2 hours per effigy.

Why not use grimy's spreadsheets? they are perfect for anything of this kind if you can only give a good approximation of the monsters defense level. You can even compare melee and range with them. http://forum.tip.it/topic/254457-grimys-spreadsheets/