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Way to go missing the point, pal. You aren't the only one who had to bury bones, anyway.

It's not about the bug, rather jagex not being aware of it. It's their game, afterall. Don't they even bother to read the forums or anything? Well they know now do they not? I personally did not know of it, granted I have not played the game in a while, but I read forums often. Maybe Jagex had not trained prayer with a BoB or had not found out about it while playing themselves? Is it often discussed at prayer training locations? Know what? That alot of people abused a bug for years that they never knew about? wow, that's great. Jagex should be on the top of things, and as this method has been discussed alot(and is even included in some guides, etc) it's pitiful that they should say that they never knew about it.

It's not about the bug, rather jagex not being aware of it. It's their game, afterall. Don't they even bother to read the forums or anything?

It means i have to do more clicking and use the keyboard while playing, which is annoying for me, and as i wouldn't be able to play that way for very long, i'd actually get less xp, thus it's not efficient for me. You obviously don't understand efficiency. That's dumb. Obviously you dont understand efficiency completely. True if you had to get off thats less xp then then even just doing afk skilling but while your on of course its more efficient to do more xp for longer time. A true way to be efficient is say cooking 1 fish per tick for example nobody could probably do that strait from 99 to 200m but if they did that at max pace for 1 hour per day then went to easier skills like prayer or Rc for example they could then relax while getting the best/better xp in those skills so when you are done with cooking you did the whole thing at 1m xp/h Every click, assuming you are not enjoying yourself(which is true in most cases of grinding) adds to the strain and makes you quit sooner rather than later. If you are OK with true sense ''nolifing'', it's fine by me, but as a general training method of achieving 200M in a skill, including ABSOLUTE max xp an hour is stupid. But in any case, i don't know what you are detesting here- i clearly never said any of those figures were absolute max for nolifers, and the number one guy in rs also said that he would much rather choose the less nolifer-ish method for long term training.

And you need a spreadsheet to calc that...really useful. We all know that it's not the exact formula, but in 99% of cases, it's the better formula to use as the simplified formula is a very close to the exact value as well as scaling consistently.

I find your options a bit inconsistent: First you basically say 7 str (12 vs. 5) > 7 stab (12 vs. 19) Then you say 8 str > 6 stab So far, it's logic, str > stab, right Lastly, you say 5 stab > 4 str I understand that the stab bonus is bigger than the the str bonus at the last one (ardy vs. fire cape), but it's only by one, so if str is really > stab, wouldn't you just use a fire cape. I suppose you put it in front because of the +6 prayer? I put ardy cloak in front of fire cape as it's better as a combo, as the other two sacrifice accuracy AND because of the +4 prayer.

http://forum.tip.it/topic/254457-grimys-reference-spreadsheets/ The approximate formula is (level cubed)/20,2 and there are sheets of how much xp you need from one level to another on tip it page.

Also, it is fairy balanced. It's weaker than a whip, and the spec takes 60% of your bar, 54% with a RoV, which means you'll have to wait a bit, then activate the second spec, then wait even longer... unless you use a Special Restore (like Dragon Claw Speccers) etc. NOTE: THAT IS LOW LEVEL. READ: L-O-W. It seems balanced. I'd still use claws spec unless: 1.) I don't want to be risking claws (Using divine in PvP) 2.) I NEED to be sure of hitting. And Zaaps, its *really* hard to die rune pking w/ divine. Just as it's really hard to find a fight. The KS should make the edge PKing scene a little more interesting atleast, just hope for no vigour+claws+KS rushers.

Jbark, firstly, as you don't have overloads(from what i read) you shouldn't solo bandos anyway, but CLS will be slightly better for that. For TD's, rapier and longsword are about the same, which is better more or less depends on preference and other things(ranged equipment and summon). As for slayer, CLS really isn't a slayer weapon(the cost isn't justified compared to whip), only being good for wyverns. Rapier is generally around 15% better than whip or CLS and slightly more better than spear.

It means i have to do more clicking and use the keyboard while playing, which is annoying for me, and as i wouldn't be able to play that way for very long, i'd actually get less xp, thus it's not efficient for me. You obviously don't understand efficiency. That's dumb.

Your point? I don't think anything he says or does should directly have anything to do with what other people do. If he plays 10 hours a day, should we all? I never said the calculation was all purpose, for everyone. I don't see people going after grimy for never incorporating mousekeys in his sheets.

It's not alot more accurate, but +10% attack is better than 12/19 stab from gloves/defender.

Void melee is always better than the otherwise used bandos/dark gloves/neit alternative as it has a higher max hit aswell as being more accurate if you can put up with the loss of defense(and don't have the option of FSH). As for the best equipment, i'd say: dark gloves+deflector > defender+void gloves berserker(i) > onyx(i) ardougne cloak > fire cape This all assuming overloads and turmoil.

Anyone? :roll: It's really difficult to (accurately)assess a situation like that, to be honest, but i'll try. Assume you'll do mining with granite/gold dropping, with BA horn, getting 100k mining xp an hour. Assume you do smithing with rune 2h/platelegs at 230k smithing xp an hour(the most efficient method at high income). Assume you do magic at atoll skeles, at around 400k magic xp an hour(again, the most efficient method at high income). Now lets assume you get 60k mining xp, 52k smithing and 50k magic xp an hour, getting those amounts of xp separately would take 36+14+8 = ~58 minutes with the otherwise efficient methods, so yes, it is possible. Ofcource, for the simplicity of the calculation, i didn't consider superheating while using the horn as it would have made things somewhat more difficult(and i couldn't have been bothered). Try 75k mining 65k smithing and 63k mage I don't incorporate mousekeys into the methods. If you want to, sure, be my guest, but that's your own choice. I think 60k mining xp an hour is a reasonable estimate if you superheat the ore and bank bars(which is reasonable). The other methods i mentioned are more or less mousekeys free aswell, estimated to be somewhat lower than the real absolute max figures(which you are suggesting, otherwise, mining could be accounted for 120k an hour). If you even have only a few hundred mil, it is still best to drop the bars. If you have bils, it is stupid to waste time banking. Mining at 60k Xp/hr is pathetic if you're somebody who cares about efficiency. Dropping increases the amount of clicking VERY significantly, and your view of efficiency only seems to account for money/xp and time, not other, very significant factors. Some people can be efficient without taxing themselves off the market(ie. having fun).

He has 99 fm and wc, apparently he hates rainforests Okay I lol'd. 30M woodcutting exp is cool. :thumbup: It's like saying that you've spent tons of time not playing Runescape. Don't take that the wrong way. ;) Guess so, it more or less means that you hate the game, but you are still ~playing it. Gratz on the achievement though, it's none-the-less impressive.

There are countless methods how this all can be done, mine was just a small example, but it more or less showed that the now 'normal' LRC gold method is not ALWAYS the best as the BA horn is a significant factor.

Anyone? :roll: It's really difficult to (accurately)assess a situation like that, to be honest, but i'll try. Assume you'll do mining with granite/gold dropping, with BA horn, getting 100k mining xp an hour. Assume you do smithing with rune 2h/platelegs at 230k smithing xp an hour(the most efficient method at high income). Assume you do magic at atoll skeles, at around 400k magic xp an hour(again, the most efficient method at high income). Now lets assume you get 60k mining xp, 52k smithing and 50k magic xp an hour, getting those amounts of xp separately would take 36+14+8 = ~58 minutes with the otherwise efficient methods, so yes, it is possible. Ofcource, for the simplicity of the calculation, i didn't consider superheating while using the horn as it would have made things somewhat more difficult(and i couldn't have been bothered). Try 75k mining 65k smithing and 63k mage I don't incorporate mousekeys into the methods. If you want to, sure, be my guest, but that's your own choice. I think 60k mining xp an hour is a reasonable estimate if you superheat the ore and bank bars(which is reasonable). The other methods i mentioned are more or less mousekeys free aswell, estimated to be somewhat lower than the real absolute max figures(which you are suggesting, otherwise, mining could be accounted for 120k an hour).

You don't have money for a fury but have an AGS.... bah, i'm not even going to ask...

Second that, although you'd need to start with bursting until you reach ~90(with mage boosts). It's not incredibly expensive anyway.

Anyone? :roll: It's really difficult to (accurately)assess a situation like that, to be honest, but i'll try. Assume you'll do mining with granite/gold dropping, with BA horn, getting 100k mining xp an hour. Assume you do smithing with rune 2h/platelegs at 230k smithing xp an hour(the most efficient method at high income). Assume you do magic at atoll skeles, at around 400k magic xp an hour(again, the most efficient method at high income). Now lets assume you get 60k mining xp, 52k smithing and 50k magic xp an hour, getting those amounts of xp separately would take 36+14+8 = ~58 minutes with the otherwise efficient methods, so yes, it is possible. Ofcource, for the simplicity of the calculation, i didn't consider superheating while using the horn as it would have made things somewhat more difficult(and i couldn't have been bothered).

It's not a waste if it's being used. Id rather have something that is going to help me get something done than 5m sitting in my bank. Money, more often than not, loses it's value faster than items, so that's one thing to consider. Also, some people have ridiculous amounts of money and nowhere to put it- none of their goals require gp, thus, it'd be a massive waste to just sit on all that gp.

The reason people do ivy is that it's afk, not because it's fast xp, even banking teaks(it used to be profitable, not sure about it nowadays) is faster xp than ivy, but you can't afk teak. Same with sawmill(which is up to ~115k xp an hour at 99).

As you don't have yak and are likely to train defense, i'd say around 2.8.

With dragons claws already around, it's say no. The max hit is lower, and so i'm guessing is the potential for a KO(only one spec in a row). The only way i can see the spec being overpowered is when you consider claws+KS+vigour for KS+claw spec in a row, but that's quite extreme.

For melee, CLS if you have ely/divine, maul if you don't. For ranged, rigour if it's for training/slaying, ccbow for armadyl solo. The shields are more or less useless and cost too much to repair, the staff is useful if you have alot of money and like hybrid pvp.