CampbellMC

Easily 100m street It is worth nothing now since you imbued it.

Very well done =D> uncut onyxes are going for insane prices on the street though OT: Very good read. It is a good place to train for medium level players such as myself. I find myself down there training from time to time just to break up the monotony of slayer every now and then and it really is pretty decent income. Other then the fact that onyx items have skyrocketed (the gem itself, fury, and ring anyways) i think it's a great idea for some future items. It gives the medium, and some higher, leveled players a reason to go a place that was basically deserted until they changed so players couldn't sell anything to the shops anymore to buy an onyx easily. Its a great idea to bring some popularity back to the deserted towns such as Port Phasmatys and Rellekka. Definately send to The Times Yah I know the gem and ring are very high street price but I need the money to continue with my goals on my pure and waiting 2 weeks for it to rise just doesn't seem like fun to me. I made around 18M getting the the fury so I am happy with that for my time. As for submitting to The Times I really haven't seen where I am to do that, and I don't think it is anywhere near the quality they would expect. If someone from the times wants to contact me though I will be checking my inbox.

Actually if you could get 150k tokkul an hour (although this is just not possible in tzhaar) you would be making well over 1M an hour off the drops, 660k off the tokkul and an equal amount off capes, gems, onyx bolt tips and other drops, and that would only be at current prices. If you are right and say they doubled in price, geeze that would be 1.9M an hour.

The demand isn't actually that high, it is a false demand by merchants. Furies still fluctuate (actually they are crashing right now, good thing a friend bought mine for trade + max limit :)) and they take 45 hours assuming you can only do about 50k melee xp per hour, that is pretty average for flat 85-90 stats. At higher stats you can get upwards of 100k tokkul an hour depending what you use.

.... I WOULD HAVE GIVEN LIKE 5 FURIES FOR THAT /rage Its on my pure, I dont care what the street price is because that means absolutely nothing if you don't have junk and other items to trade with. I don't care if it is worth 80M street because it will never reach that value on the ge, and I would rather have 10M to work with than a bunch of items that slowely rise and then crash. Also the onyx stone is basically worth the time to get now so itll crash soon, I doubt it will ever break 12M ge (That was all directed at the person above you really). I have no junk so there is no way I could pull out 40M of junk to do that trade. My pure is very poor and I don't really care about holding on and hoping it doesn't crash, 10M + the 8M in other drops I got was well worth my time.

Another fury comes into the game :) Really wasn't that bad to get, would have been much easier with melee.

Minigoal complete on my pure, 2.4M range xp later: The drops in the bottom are just from the last few hundred thousand tokkul, overall I got 13 capes, 11 Mauls (Om), 2 shields, 1 knife and around 140 bolt tips. I also got over 900k off the gems I collected. I plan on selling the fury as I really need the money on my pure more than a fury. Next goals are 85 combat (just getting 52 summoning) and then back to slayer for 99 range.

Considering that the Fury has no other use than for combat then I think it's acceptable that combat and combat only should be used to get an onyx gem. Bracelet of Regeneration is used by many skillers in Agility and Thieving, but other than that, yes, the onyx is mainly combat based. As far as the way of mining them to gain tokkul I would propose a different alternative similar to the Lumbridge Jobs for beginners. The tasks could be things such as "Collect 50 gold ore." or "Smelt 50 silver bars," each giving a good amount of tokkul (balance to slightly below combat of course.) These tasks would have to be done within the cave of TzHaar though, to prevent outside forces affecting the price of fury (such as gold ores shooting up for people to cash in). TzHaar is based mainly around mining and combat, both are very present throughout the city and in the quests, so I think mining should have an option to gain tokkul.

Yah just another one of Itam69's great achievements :) I am nearing enough for an onyx gem myself but I plan on selling it since my pure needs the money.

This isn't meant for just maxxed out players though, and sure people CAN make more money boss hunting but it is not guarenteed. Also averaging 1M income per hour at an other normal training spot is highly unlikely, maybe at dragons with a pack yak but even then its slow xp and crowded. As far as training speeds go, yes if you are willing to spend tons of money every hour on potions taking 95 herblore to make and a level 95 prayer then you will get way better speeds, but this is for people training casually. Most people with just normal stats (not enough for extremes and turmoil) wouldnt mind getting around 20M income from 2.2M xp, I mean how many people do you know that normally make like 100M getting a 99 stat at a normal training location? Although higher players could still camp here for tokkul (and many do) the acticle is most suited to the normal-high level players (probably around 110-125 combat) and any rangers which want to kill them (they are weak to range). With all your stats and boosts you would still be getting 96k tokkul an hour or more if you didn't bank the useless charms, that means only 28 hours for a fury which many people would set as a good goal, 28 hours for 20M income? Yes please.

Released September 19th, 2005, the TzHaar City was instantly a huge hit, starting with the drops of Obsidian Capes and Toktz-ket-xil (Obsidian Shield) the first day we were presented with a new best cape in the game, and the first shield with a strength bonus. We next had the fire cape and amulet of fury, again an even better cape was released, instantly made into one of the top status symbols in the game, and this rare onyx amulet was the new best amulet in the game. Over the years we got a new way to train strength, new types of pures and a new range of good weapons with the berserker necklace. The Ring of Stone, allowing Runescape video makers to more stealthy film other people. The Bracelet of Regeneration, a new best gloves spot for many pures, and a helpful item for people doing agility and rc. Lastly with the Mobilising armies update we were given the onyx ring (i), the best ring in the game. You would figure a city like this would be bursting for these items that would surely be worth millions right? I mean these are some of the top items in the game, they should be difficult to get, take paitence and have a pretty price tag for anyone willing to take all the time to get them. This isn't the way it went though, tokkul became a useless item in peoples bank, the monster drops were camped out and the capes and shields were soon worth under 1M each. The onyx remained strong though, it took tons of drops to add up to one amulet of fury, this didn't last long. Soon people were buying up all the Tzhaar-ket-om (Obsidian maul) and chaos runes as they were a quick way to get tokkul by selling the items to the shops in Tzhaar. Soon the amulet of fury was directly tied to the price of chaos runes, and collecting tokkul in tzhaar became useless, why get small drops of 60 at a time when you could simply kill a normal monster, get 3 times the money and buy chaos runes to trade in. With the introduction of the amulet of fury into the pvp drop tables for a short while they instantly plummeted down to prices of 1.5M at times. The best amulet in the game, the best ring in the game, both grossly underpriced, especially considering the effort it would take to get one the proper way. All this changed though, September 2nd, 2009, with the personalized shop update the uncut onyx gem in the shop went from 300,000 tokkul (260,000 with Karamja Gloves) up to 2,700,000 tokkul. The effect wasn't felt yet though, there were plenty of furies in the market to sustain the price for a while, more and more coming in every minute from PvP worlds, but soon they were removed from the drop tables aswell. Furies began to rise, no one wanted to get that much tokkul, it would take years for an average player to accumulate that much with the small amounts each creature dropped. The rare onyx gem began its rise, rising for over 200 days now it is becoming the same status as a rare item, topping the street price of many of our current rares under 100M. However, with the update of December 15th, 2009, players could no longer sell their drops to the stores at all, the only way to get tokkul now was by killing the NPC's in TzHaar City, attempting the Fight Caves, or participating in the Fight Pits. This only added to the pressure, and many people gave up on ever trying to collect the 2.7M tokkul. In this update though, the amount of tokkul dropped by monsters was greatly increased, also Fight Caves and Fight Pits were giving a tokkul boost, sparking the currency to life again. Checking the forums today, you will see onyx gems are going for 2 Staffs of Light, or for people who have junk, up to 100M cash. This is mainly due to people thinking it would take way too long to collect the 2.7M tokkul needed for the gem, so they predict a non-stop rise until either the gem becomes way too valueble on the ge to not get your own from TzHaar, or until Jagex fixes the drops/shop prices. The item which has been going non-stop for over 200 days and impossible for an average player to buy on the GE still doesn't have an end in the forseeable future, but is it really broken? At an average training spot where you are getting about average training speeds (lets say around 50k/hr on a melee skill), you would hope to get maybe 200k-250k per hour if you are a medium-high leveled player. This is on par with many slayer monsters requiring 70+ slayer to kill them, seems like a reasonable line to set. Now if you consider tokkul as a currency which at the moment is just as strong or stronger than gp for those who can set a goal and go for it, we can see that maybe all this updating to the Tzhaar region is actually very well adjusted. Here I will do a breakdown of what you can expect to get at TzHaar per hour in the way of wealth gained. From my experiences lately I have found that it took me just over 1.8M range exp in order to get 2.2M tokkul. This means that for every 1 xp you do in a melee or range stat you would get 1.2 tokkul on average. So at 50k xp/hr you would be gaining 60k tokkul/hr. At current prices you could make an uncut onyx gem into an amulet of fury and sell on the ge for 10M flat (assuming you didn't want to junk trade or trade for other items). One fury would cost 2.7M tokkul, so you would have 10M gp, for 2.7M tokkul or 3.7 gp/tokkul. If we bring this back up to our 60k tokkul/hr we get 220k gp/hr off the tokkul alone. But wait, that isn't all you will be getting in the way of drops. You can also expect about 1 weapon/shield drop per hour from my experience and others I have trained with. Capes, Mauls and Shields being the most common you get an average of about 130k gp/hr off those aswell. We are up to 350k gp/hr. Anyone who has trained in TzHaar since the update will tell you though that you are still missing a good part of the drops (which some people still ignore). The little drop which is impossible to see, the onyx bolt tips, valued at 7.8k each and you can expect about 5 an hour, depending greatly on the number of level 133 NPCs you kill, so we add on another 39k, up to 389k gp/hr. Lastly we add on one thing which many people neglect in TzHaar (and I capitalize on it when possible) is the gems. I bank around 15 gems/hr, they add up quick especially with uncut gems being worth a minimum of 2k now we are looking at another 45k+ per hour (even more if you get lucky with some diamonds). Adding this all up we are looking at 434k gp/hr, wow. So what does this all mean? Jagex doesn't need to nerf TzHaar again, it is the players with paitence who are going to benefit in here and soon the market will reach an equilibrium when people can justify the price of an item which takes 45 hours to obtain (2.7M tokkul / 60k tokkul/hr). These items made from the onyx gem should be valueble, they are some of the best items in the game, you will be hard pressed to find the elite players in the game not wearing atleast 1 onyx item. The people will pay the price, or they can fork over 45 hours of their time and leave with an uncut onyx gem and 9.63M additional gp from other drops along the way. Throw in decent training speeds, the ability to safespot the monsters and the size of the dungeon and it only makes sense that the items rise this high. TzHaar is home for many people now who have already realized this, and with the TzHaar NPCs now being assigned as slayer tasks it may spark some of those players to try themselves for 2.7M tokkul after they have a few hundred thousand in the bank from tasks. The updates keeping the ge out of TzHaar weren't to try and nerf it again since it was too easy, it was to balance it, put it where it belongs, and give it a new life as the independent civilization that the TzHaar people are.

Grats nub

Because items always crash long before they get to their ge value, because people will only go out of their way to sell with junk if they can get much more than max in the ge and people anticipate it to crash whenever it breaks a major milestone (e.g 10M ge value on an item that is 17M street will crash most likely).

Lately I have been ranging a bit on my pure in tzhaar, originally I was just going to get 2.7M tokkul and craft a fury and sell it for the 8.5M or whatever it is on ge. Then today I found out that the onyx gem and onyx ring are worth upwards of 90M street. Unfortunately I do not have any junk, and very little extra cash to upgrade it to anything. I was wondering what the best thing would be to do, get the gem and hold onto it for a while, sell it when I get it (only about 10M if I do this), or if there was other items out that are guarenteed risers that are more frequently updated than onyx that I could trade for. All input is appreciated, thanks.

There was a glitch resulting from this morning's update which allowed people to buy 3 of an item for the price of one (I heard godswords were bought using this.) When Jagex found out they closed off the GE, it has been down since.

1M Tokkul, 1.7M to go.

It is probably a lot of the melee noobs or rune pures who don't think they can get it because they have low stats. I have done it with 65 range, 40 def before though. It really isnt about your levels too much, just your strategy. I hope they don't get rid of this requirement though, anyone with 93 slayer should easily have the stats and money to get the cape.

Well it is asking a lot of some people to get a fire cape, it is a difficult thing to get and if your computer lags at all then you are completely boned. I know I am waiting to get a fire cape on my pure until the summer so I will be at home on my good connection.

Came back and have been just playing on my pure a little bit here and there, decided to go for 2.7M tokkul as a mini-goal to get my range up: Loot so far:

Congrats, a respectable one to get first.

The adze wouldn't be much of one since people normally get the adze to train wc, and you only need to do 1.65M wc xp with the adze until you get 93 fm so it wouldn't be a lasting one.

10/10 just because Fai is in the pic!

Today was buying some 3a mage and got the pieces relatively quickly at the following prices: 3rd Age Mage Top -> Min 3rd Age Mage Robe -> Max 3rd Age Mage Hat -> Max 3rd Age Mage Ammy -> Max (This one took a while to buy)

If the new skill is "butthurt", you'll be level 99 on day 1. But I'll give your line of thinking a go. It's clearly going to be some sort of clothmaking because close sounds kinda like clothes, and "wares" sounds kinda like wears. So wearing clothes, that starts with B? BUTTON SEWING. Buttons sew on to shirts, PUFFY SHIRT. The new skill will be the puffy shirt from Seinfeld. Look for members expansion, Soup Nazi, this Christmas. Am I dune it right? Think if it like making a racial joke when the audience knows the speaker is in the KKK. People are going to obviously assume the intention is much darker. You still aren't contributing anything, maybe you should just leave. My guesses have actual merit and are plausible unlike yours, you are just making yourself look like an immature kid, but I am sure you are used to that. It is called close reading, most commonly associated with poetry where each word is carefully chosen. Jagex follows the same style and carefully chooses their words when hinting at updates.