Adam007

People don't hate christians. They hate christianity and how it controls people's beliefs and actions. They hate how it takes away some people's ability to reason beyond what they are told to just have faith in. And again, splat, just because someone is discriminating does not make it synonymous with racism. Discrimination for some reason has a negative connotation, where it's mostly used nowadays by people as another word for racism. In this case, he is not "discriminating" you for your religion. He's discriminating you because of your beliefs, actions, and values, which has nothing to do with racism, and less to do with religion than you'd think. It's not religion he's against - it's how people integrate religion into their lives and let it take over their beliefs before they can even form their own beliefs.

Why not? What changes do you propose? Censor everything that doesn't conform to his fundamentalist christian views. OMG!!!!!! YOU RACIST BIGOT! I SICK AND TIRED OF YOU FLAMING CHRISTIANS EVERY CHANCE YOU GET!!!! WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GET AROUND TO TELLING YOU THAT THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU! KEEP THOSE OPINIONS TO YOURSELF!!! That's racism? Christianity is a religion... While this topic isn't directly about religion, Tigra knows the source of a lot of the wishing for more censorship on TV. A lot of personality traits and opinions are deeply rooted in how someone was brought up religiously. It's just frustrating to him and a lot of other people how so many people form their opinions based on one book and apply it to every segment of their lives. But yeah, on your mentioning of non-censorship I agree.

I'm going to be a little cliche here and say you don't see that it is imprisoning because you willingly allowing it. You're right, you are being cliche. As well as overgeneralizing. Attraction has nothing to do with your will. Who you're attracted to is beyond your control. That aside, I'm pretty sure I don't see women on TV as objects. You describing that as being imprisoned is just way to vague for me, I don't even know how to address it.

Girls in tiny bikinis on t.v. You have got to be pretty stupid to deny seeing a girl in a bikini makes you more interested. You are now imprisoned by the media's technique of lust, bravo. Btw not only lust, but belittling of women in general. Not only does bad media imprison the viewer directly but it also imprisons the object indirectly. I'm only using this as an example, don't look to deep into it. It proves my point though, media can imprison you. Edit: what was you original question? I really didn't try to ignore it, I just missed it. I don't know about Nadril's question, but you completely skipped over my point and question, and I'd like you to address them. As to what you just said, I don't see how being attracted to women on TV is imprisoning in any way. Nor is it imprisoning to the actors. They're making money here. There are other issues like the self esteem of girls who are watching, but it's not like we should censor them because some girls don't feel up to par with what they see on TV. So anyways, "lust" (stupid word) doesn't imprison anyone. There's nothing wrong with feeling attracted to who you see on TV, and that's in no way imprisoning. At least to normal people.

The media has the freedom to say things you don't want to hear, so you feel imprisoned by it. Do you think you'd feel more comfortable and at ease if you didn't hear such controversial things? Maybe you feel imprisoned because logic tells you some of your beliefs are wrong, and when you hear it on TV, it just makes you feel trapped inbetween beliefs you've been taught are right and what makes logical sense on the media. I'd say to try to free yourself from this cage your mind is in, but I think your mind's made its own key that you've thrown away. Oh, gotcha. Care to cite an instance where restrictions in life unrestrict us? Preferably not a vague cop-out answer like rules create a safe environment so we can be free and happy.

It's the Zelda series. Nothing else even comes close. :P

That's how we define our morals, but other people go by morals based off of what they're told to be 'universal truths.'

Everything in life has potential risk. How can anyone do anything with their lives if all they worry about is the .001% risk involved? I'm not comparing TIF to a person, but like I said earlier, you can't throw away the apple because of one bad seed. Actually I haven't said that. I said that everything has a possibility of danger, but why disallow it because of that? Driving a car has danger. Taking an airplane trip has danger. Crossing the street has danger. Going sledding has danger. Living has danger. Again, not to compare life to TIF because that's weird, but come on. You can't shy away from anything and everything that has a risk. In this case, the benefits outweigh the minimal risk involved. I shouldn't even say minimal. There's no risk. This is Web 2.0. We have so many social networking sites and 99.9% of the time everything goes fine. It's about time TIF got with the program.

1k+ posts and you still don't know not to advertise forums here?

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What? How is being anti-censorship synonymous with pro-child abuse? Further, it's completely realistic for the government not to censor. It's called personal responsibility. People have common sense, we're not sheep who need to be herded in the "right" direction because we don't know what's right and wrong. You can figure these things out for yourself without some higher power telling you what's good and bad. Did you read anything that I wrote? It is hypocritical because the government has laws against damaging children psychologically and physically. If you want to disagree with me then do so and give a reason. For example the media doesn't damage children psychologically because exposure to drugs, sex, and all of the above doesn't influence their mental perceptions at all, back that up with a good argument and you solved the entire controversial issue. Congrats =D> You're assuming that if censorship was abolished all children would be psychologically scarred, where this would not be the case. It would be a sharp reality check for parents to actually start taking responsibility in what their kids do watch, whereas now they assume since the government censors things they don't need to. I'm not going to disagree that there's content that can scar kids, but just because kids can be scarred doesn't mean it should be banned. Instead, censorship should be ended and the responsibility should be given to parents. With censorship ended parents should have a choice in what channels they receive, or maybe a password they put in to access these channels. It seems stupid to censor things just because parents seem incapable of having a little responsibility. So pretty much limit freedom out of assuming the worst out of people. I don't understand your view on this. Are you disagreeing with me, agreeing with me, or trying to put words in my mouth? :-s I'm sarcastically mocking your opinion.

What? How is being anti-censorship synonymous with pro-child abuse? Further, it's completely realistic for the government not to censor. It's called personal responsibility. People have common sense, we're not sheep who need to be herded in the "right" direction because we don't know what's right and wrong. You can figure these things out for yourself without some higher power telling you what's good and bad. So pretty much limit freedom out of assuming the worst out of people. Yelling fire in a movie theater isn't funny. Thanks for clarifying that it's ultimately unnecessary though. That one was up in the air. As well as that it's illegal, specifically when there isn't a fire. Even if there was a fire you're not supposed to scream fire, because you still get people chaotically trampling everyone. Anyways, I just wanted to say that you're making no sense in comparing the necessity of yelling fire in a movie theater to the necessity of media censorship.

What I don't understand is why it is that there's this philosophy that we have to hold to some higher standard of not allowing pictures, as if it's dangerous. Most forum fansites allow it. I mean we have sites like myspace and facebook which circulate around people's pictures. I just don't think it's that big of a danger. I mean with everything in life there's a possible danger. You cross the street and there's a danger. Just because there's that .001% of danger doesn't mean we should disallow it altogether.

I've learned to stop getting excited over scientific advancements or inventions I hear on the news or TV. Whenever you hear that it's being worked on or that it should be ready in x many years, you never hear about it again. I have no idea why, but it's just irritating getting your hopes up for something time and time again to hear nothing of it again.

It's the parent's responsibility to censor their children, not the government's. Nothing good whatsoever comes out of censorship. It just creates a mess of artificiality.

I doubt this approach will work for you. Every number has significance. Listing the different places where these numbers appear probably won't get you anywhere near what you're looking for.

I assume you're talking about combat here. A volatile example, because it seems like combat is the skill that trains with the most increase in hourly xp over RSC, off the top of my head. Interestingly, even though combat has clearly been updated with the most benefits, there are still a huge number of people who believe that it is an ignored skill for the high level trainer, constantly bemoaning the lack of "high-level equipment" with requirements of 80 and 90 skills. Obviously, jagex can't satisfy everyone no matter what they do. It's not just combat, it's all skills mainly, with the exception of mining and maybe fishing. Adding updates to those with lvl 80-90 in the skills is great - adding updates that make them reachable faster isn't. Are you saying that Jagex shouldn't add any updates that give experience to skills? That seems to be your point here but I'm not sure you mean to make it. Obviously updates that give experience slower than old methods are going to be huge flops. Jagex has historically slowed mudflation by making their improvements to skill training better in some ways, worse in others. E.g, ape atoll course is slower xp than wildy until you get to 70 agility. Still, even partial improvements like this will always make xp faster overall. Mudflation is inevitable, the only way to respect the foundation of the game in the way you propound is to make change to existing skills either very small or nonexistant. I'm not sure you understand my position. I'm not saying mudflation is great, I'm saying people demand updates and mudflation is inevitable. You want jagex to limit it, I want jagex to limit it, jagex is trying to limit it, there's no disagreement here is there? Obviously if you don't have that much time to play you value updates and consistency differently from those that play more, but that's not really a fundamental difference, just a personal variance in utility. I'm saying they should mainly update skills that bring some new element to that skill while not completely replacing other training methods. The benefit from the update should have other benefits other than xp to compensate for its ideal ~5% lower xp difference than the preexisting fastest xp. By doing otherwise they're making their older updates obsolete and archaic in the game while at the same time upsetting players who never were able to get such fast xp when they did their levelling.

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There's no item in the game more useful than a rare. If you have one, you love them. If you don't, you hate em. They keep a lot of elements of the economy in line. They're really interesting economically. Sometimes they'll grow exponentially, others they'll stop without explanation. They provide a really fun extra facet to the game, merchanting. They look great. They're cool status symbols. And they in a sense symbolize, at least to me, good nostalgia of rs1.

It doesn't matter who they should or shouldn't emulate, my only point is that when updating skills they should add on additions, not introduce a new method of training that is faster and renders older methods obsolete. Specifically, with this update, they could have used this bone item, but instead of simply trading it in for free xp maybe have it be tradable since they're rare enough and constructable into a bone-chair or something. You're looking at it completely different. Yes, the game is easier at this moment in time for a higher level than for a lower level, that's blatantly obvious. Higher levels obviously have it easier at this point in time, because they have access to fast training across the board. That's not my point though. My point is that this is an issue of time. The issue of unfairness circulates around the fact that I had to spend an hour training to get 30k xp in rsc, and now someone can spend an hour training and get 90k. Obviously now both the high and low levels are on closer playing fields, but jagex is still tainting the achievements and time others spent in the past. Complaining is pointless, I do agree. But that doesn't change the fact that new players have to work a lot less to attain the same levels rsc players did, and that's just frustrating. We deal with it and everything, but it's still annoying that we spent so much more time training specific things while jagex makes it so you only need to spend a quarter of the time to reach the same level. They need to respect the foundation of their game and value people's time spent training when making updates. Instead of updating a skill to make it faster to level it, they should expand it with things that have use, rather than ways for people to pour hours into, and get nothing out of except ridiculous amounts of fast xp.

I'm guessing the reason they add new ways of training that are easier than the old ways, is that when they add new ways of training that are worse than the old ways, all of you old timers complain about useless low level updates. When they don't add anything, the old timers complain that the game is stale and boring and needs updating. When they add new ways of training that are better in some respect, people complain that RS is getting too easy. I really have no sympathy for anyone who's gotten rich over the years through appreciation of the value of rares, and still complains about new players have it easier. I know I wish I'd started 5 years ago ~_~ Chris, let me know if you don't want further discussion on this thread and I'll stop replying, if you want it to be a respond only if you have data kind of thread. Flammacor, I know exactly what you're talking about, and it can be a frustrating thing, the concept of no matter what jagex does people seem to complain. But my opinion is that if they had done it right in the first place there wouldn't be these kinds of problems and nothing to fix in the first place. I'm not saying I don't want updates to skills - I do. I think skills should be expanded upon in different directions, which is completely and entirely different than giving drops that you can trade in for xp if you spend enough time training a different skill, or skill additions that replace older leveling ways or make them obsolete(not in reference to this update). While it's convenient for some people who are too poor to raise construction, to me it seems pretty ridiculous. That quip about rares wasn't really called for. Through playing I've learned time is the only thing that can buy xp. I might have a high networth, but to me my hats are only worth what I initially paid for them - not much. I have the money to buy high skills but not the time, so the hats aren't as useful as you'd think. I doubt I'll ever sell them and they haven't given me any 'unfair advantage,' while new players are able to get double the xp in half the time using half the resources or none at all. I like wearing my hats and there's nothing more to it than that, so don't presumptuously play the "everyone's balanced out because you have hats and we didn't" card. Again, Chris, just let me know.

Construction came out relatively recently, so a RSC-vet and a RS2-product have equal grounds to complain here (so long as you've been playing since its release.) But, when you first started there was no Construction skill, or anything like it. To get a decent level in Construction, you need to spend handfuls of GP. To answer your question, they've added this to allow the less-wealthy members of RS a chance to get a respectable Construction level. I mean in general on a larger scale how jagex tends to always do things like this to all skills, this is just another example. I can understand what you're saying though. I just think it's kind of random for them to tie combat training directly with construction xp. And by the way, for people training on them now, about how often are those dropped out of curiosity?

Those are random useless quest items that could be applicable to just about any quest involving items. As for that demonic sigil mold, are you guys 100% positive you can't get another one? I thought you could.

You're right, people don't buy them to show how much cash they have. They buy them because they're the most useful item in the game. I know since they don't have stats and you only see it as a big "+0," they seem useless. But picture a theoretical item. Let's call it the magic geepee. You buy one single gp, but the cool thing about this one is that it grows exponentially and soon is worth millions. Does that crystallize for you their use?

These kinds of updates make me glad I only started playing runescape two weeks ago so I can fully take advantage of all of these new additions they add for people who are actively training. Oh wait. I started years ago and got no bonuses for training, and wait, I'm not glad, I'm moderately annoyed. For what possible reason do they add these kinds of things? I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering for what possible reason would they add something needless like this?