Artificial_Doom_Flavor

I still think this should be removed. In fact, I now think that it should ALSO be removed for one of the very reasons you've been using all along: You pay for your benefits to support RuneScape's further developments. If you're allowed to keep benefits as an ex-member, what incentive do you have to go back and pay again? JaGeX doesn't want fly-by-night consumers- they want people to be hooked and stay subscribed. They make more money that way. Not gonna happen if you give ex-members enough benefits that they're comfortable in not paying any more. From the way you cling to this one I'd say it's pretty important.

I could easily pay the five dollars, get the agility, and "quit complaining," but I would know then that I'd have an advantage over other free players that they may have no way of attaining. And having been a free player for a very long time, I don't think I'd like to do that to them. I don't buy into the "should because I can" philosophy. There are multiple other reasons I'm not a member, and I have already stated a few of them several times. Keep in mind, too- plenty of people have the money, but no way of sending it so that they can get membership.

Apples and oranges. Any player who takes the time may raise prayer. In the other case, you MUST pay before you can have any access to agility training at all. Free players lose, members laugh, and JaGeX gets fuller pockets for a stupid advantage that no sane game designer would have included in the first place. Seems like everything you guys throw at me comes down to the same old thing: "Shut up and pay like the rest of us." Not everybody can. I can, but I'm speaking on the behalf of those who can't.

I understand your argument. I've been trying for the last six pages to drill into your head exactly why it is a stupid one.

What percentage of the people who have been members do you think got agility just so they can use it in f2p? For some baffling reason, you still can't admit that this is an unfair advantage. There are people who simply CANNOT pay the money. I think it utterly ridiculous that someone who pays five dollars can have this kind of advantage over someone who is much better at the game than they are.

If they want free players to become members (which obviously they do), they would not make agility something that transfers from members to free worlds. That frustrates free players. A frustrated player is not a happy player, and unhappy players who might've been hard-pressed to pay anything before sure as HELL won't now if that's the kind of attention JaGeX pays them (as "valued" players- he has said the free game is also very important to him). JaGeX's aim is to encourage membership, not coerce it. Most of the members I've encountered try to coerce others into becoming them (as you have). The main reason I'm not a member, as a matter of fact, is because people with your attitudes exist.

There's a big difference between encouraging f2pers to get members and screwing them over because they don't. This is the sort of thing that falls into the latter category. If you can't see that, then you need to get your head examined.

No, no! That's not at all what we're saying! We're saying that the skill level should remain the same but have NO EFFECT in free server wilderness, similar to how you can have a farming level but can't use farming. It is a flaw in the system because the advantage is totally determined by who paid money and who didn't, not by who's more clever a strategist (and let's face it- with how luck-based damage is in RS, more than half the battle is about strategies used to increase victory probabilities). You paid "good money," huh? Isn't your crowd also the one telling me that it's "only" five dollars? How many times are you going to make me point out the fallacy in those two arguments? I'm not even going to bother anymore. Either read or stop posting. The agility DID help him; he said so himself. It's also helped my pursuers. So saying that the wilderness should be rebalanced because you are given an advantage unattainable for many is not a valid argument? What is wrong with you people?

Actually, I JUST died to a clan of PKers. I was camping on the ice giants and ran out of run: if I had agility, I would have had enough energy to escape. I would never outrun my member pursuers, but I would have enough energy to run down sufficient levels to be out of their attacking range. This sort of thing happens to me only very rarely, so I don't mind it as much. All I mind is that they broke my streak because they had like ten people >:(

And there we have it, folks. Indisputable -_- Not. I know many F2P'ers (including myself, I might add) that have pked full rune without Agility, either once or multiple times. Naw, I'm saying that it enabled her to kill someone by USING agility and THAT should be considered unfair.

And there we have it, folks. Indisputable -_-

What picture??? It's a guy... going through a wall... :P

Hey thru, did you know that your name is absolutely perfect with this picture?

Excuse me? Why do you think JaGeX gave f2p rangers updates? It's because they saw that the fighting system was unbalanced. This isn't a matter of "fighting fair," this is a matter of a flaw in the system. yes, but this isn't a flaw. members have agility, and with agility they can recharge faser, making them beter pkers. ok, that's not a flaw, its a pker training there agility so that they can out run a little runeminer. now, if you wanna ne safe agenst all the pkers; pay for one months membership, and train agility!!! <- like everyone has been telling you. if you wanna rune-mine, you could alwise go to the heroes guild. and fishing and woodcutting are very good ways of making money. and construction is even beter( :XD: just kidding). members have all the updates, and can recharge energy faster and all that, because they paid, and support the game WWAAAAAYYYY more then "advertisement" does. please quit your whining, and maby you could become a member, and mine in the heroes guild, or train agility. :roll: its not expencive, and it will save you from dieing too. Until you come up with a valid point that isn't the same stupid rhetoric that you've been spamming my thread with, I'm going to ignore any posts you make in the future.

Excuse me? Why do you think JaGeX gave f2p rangers updates? It's because they saw that the fighting system was unbalanced. This isn't a matter of "fighting fair," this is a matter of a flaw in the system.

I don't know about you, but I think the point of PKing is to get a kill, which is impossible if you're chasing a member target. Yes, these former members do get an advantage, BUT it is NOT an advantage that is DETRIMENTAL to the free player. A free player is not going to DIE just because someone can runecraft faster than them :XD: Yes, sometimes life isn't fair, but in a game that IS designed to be, why shouldn't this be corrected? Let's apply your logic to the rest of the f2p wilderness: If free PKers miss a kill or get caught because we don't have agility, we should just STAY OUT of the wilderness to avoid people with that unfair advantage? Ridiculous. There are other ways of making money besides runite mining, but it is one such method of moneymaking that I happen to be very good at.

100% support. This is extremely annoying at the high level wilderness. I think its actually a geographical strategy in the wildy, place yourself on high hills so others cant see you while you can see them, the element of surprise. That's all well and good until someone's trying to run away from you and you can't click to bind... lol

You still have to ask, though: What is the difference between being an ingenious (if underhanded pker) and just plain not knowing what you're doing?

Well see, people don't respawn on earth, so they're less inclined to kill other people because hose other people will perceive them as a threat and kill THEM. Ambiguous pronouns ftw!

100% support. This is extremely annoying at the high level wilderness.

In the real world, there should be some limits on what we do so as to keep our actions constructive rather than destructive. I think that's a better world. A nihilist like you probably doesn't care what I think and will continue to do whatever he can get away with, but don't complain when the tables are turned on you.

I agree that you shouldn't have to whip out a thesaurus to read a news article, but his point came across very clearly to me. Yes, he said RuneScape was fun. Yes, he said JaGeX could do a couple more things to make it better. But he also said that the reason people set up their own rules in places like the wilderness is largely because we do it to make it MORE fun than the original setup was for us and we shouldn't stomp on the people who make them. I agree with that. Could he have gotten that across more succinctly? Most definetly yes, but I'm not going to eat him alive when he makes a good point. Show a little more love, LBO. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a quack.

His point is that RuneScape is itself a virtual society in which we make rules to better our experience, just as we create rules in the real world in an effort to improve the quality of our lives. I don't think that's rambling at all :)

He likes the challenge of circumventing the advantage of agility. I already do this on a regular basis, but I don't see why I should have to. Other people are not as savvy as us, and they will lose out even though without the advantage having existed in the first place they would be alright.

Yeah.