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bandos chest, tassets and defender. my set-up anyway.

let's say greaters were a nightmare for me before summoning, when i hit 127 combat, no more annoying wild dogs. I'm just saying greaters might not be the best choice, but I agree they are nice for gold charms.

Greaters are either in the wild, either caged or surrounded by wild dogs... correct me if i'm wrong.

bushes : 4 berries - 5 if timer clicks when you are harvesting fruit tree : 6 fruits - 7 if timer clicks when you are harvesting calquat : same as fruit tree cactus : 3 - 4 if timer clicks... you get the idea good luck trying to find someone wasting time testing hops...

Any body armor with respectable defence... also super sets are cheap nowadays and greatly increase your training speed... use them.

better gloves would be useful, I wouldn't suggest torso, but if you're into high hits and lots of food-eating have fun! Dark beasts are indeed good for blues, but slower to kill. And since I always do 2 trips for them, I tend to underestimate their drop rate.

I would like to point out that gargoyles and kalphites drop blue more often than other monsters... Since he can't kill gargoyles, that's pointless for him though. On topic, for your summon lvl... fire giants and bloodvelds are good for charms.

quote] Still, Be aware that he might have gotten lucky. ;) But, if they do sell. I would do it. :P Nah I have sold over 1500 torstol at the price they are at the moment, Last week-end I sold my last 200 under 24 hours. I got lucky 6 months ago when seed were at that price, but torstol herb could sell slowly at min for 4k... talk about xp AND profit!

ok I just checked the price so that I don't look like a fool. You get 7 herb per seed on average... Torstol seeds are easily buyable at min for 7,5k Torstol clean herbs are easily but slowly selling at mid for 1,65k. Meaning I sold my last 200 under 24 hours but not instantly. Add the cost of super compost to the equation and you make around 3k per seed. A little more than what I posted earlier. But a lot less than when I started farming them... I used to make like 20k per seed 6 months ago. Have fun farming!

I can confirm that they sell, I just finished planting and selling 340 torstol seeds. It's good xp, but terrible profit, meaning like 500-1k profit per seed... not worth it in the long run... might be a good idea just for that one day D Jay

well, the belladona is near draynor/falador patch... kind of near... mushroom is near the phasmati/canifis one... and it takes... 30 seconds to pick and plant... Limps will give like 750 xp per farm tour, if you plan more than 5 it will add up on that day. Super compst is 800 xp per tour... but takes longer... it's up to you at that point. Cactus is kinda out of the way, I usually do it when I go to gnome stronghold using the dueling tele and glider. Just a friendly advice to prepare for your tour... Just make sure a couple days before you do it that all your plants are healthy for your first pick up... Just to give you a slight edge :mrgreen:

Limps and make super compost...(cheapest items to make it, coconut shells, low lvl tree roots, calquat fruit...) Also in that day : 1 cactus, 1 belladonna, 2 mushroom spore.... G luck

That's true... but the main point of Compfreak is that you can get more money and exp killing something else...He's not saying slayer is not profitable... just saying it's not the most efficient way to level combat. Off topic, I'd say he's just too lazy to return to shilo every hour! :o

Is fremennik the 5th diary they are planing later on? Or are we going to have a quest relating to fremennik in december? I'm a bit confused about that. I sure hope the rewards for falador diary is better than just an emote and some useless seeds (mithril-like seeds...). I'm not too worry though...

Off topic : Slayer sucks....! On topic : Daganoths... 15 minutes task FTW. I also have a sick thing for fire giants... I remember the old days when people would camp at baxtorian falls trying to get the elusive and expensive Dragon Medium Helmet that was worth around 3,2M!!!! late 2004 btw...

? I don't get what you mean. Numbers? or Worded? ANYWAY So what do you suggest Jagex to do? There's always bad things that people can say about slayer when they're trying to train from level 1 to 85 Slow exp... high cost... dangerous... useless skill... But from what I've heard from moneymaking guides on the runescape forums.. ONCE you hit level 85, abyssal demons will provide the second best amount of cash/hour below merchanting. And maybe runecrafting. --wait scratch that, runecrafting at level 92. You only need slayer at level 85. But when you think about it, all that time taken and money spent into getting level 85 slayer will get you rewarded with 600k per hour. (Abyssal whip drops once every ~400 kills?) With every good money maker, you need to invest some time and energy, and maybe sacrifice some exp into getting it in the first place. But I'm a level 3. Free to play. And maybe what I'm saying is all wrong. But it's from my point of view :P I'm sorry, but your rather misinformed. Abyssal demons are, at best, 500k or so per hour. There are innumerable ways to get more then that, like avansies or GWD. They are a decent task, as slayer goes, but no good outside of it. So really, there's no reason to ever use slayer besides 55 for slayer dart. Besides from wanting additionnal levels and fighting abberant specters at 60 slayer for the best herb and herb seed dropper in the game and training a skill that's available for all to use.

Like robert said, there's no such thing as an empty dags world. What you have to understand also, a daganoths task will only take 15 minutes with a cannon... so we won't be there long. If I'm rude to you for no reason, then I'm either having a bad day and shouldn't play or a hacker got my password and is trying to get me ban...unlikely. Just remember, we are only there for 15 minutes. You could do that too if you'd liked, cost like 150k and your task is done in 15 minutes. Take a look at your seed invent after your task and judge by yourself if that cost is acceptable for fast slaying (I'm not advising cannon on non-slayer training...). Have fun scaping

How long is that going to last though, whenever I go to Duradel all I ever get are metals, fire giants, hellhounds, greaters, Kalphites, black dragons. And even if I break out of that loop eventually I am going to go through all the monsters in the task list. And the abby whip drop is overrated you can get much more using other money making methods This basically goes back to your final goal in RS...money, "xp and lvls" or fun... choose, 2 out of 3... The thing is, lots of money making methods give no xp whatsoever... gathering 2nds... tanning hides... you name it... It all boils down to a matter of opinion.

I completely agree with that... if you don't like my cannon, go to a PVP world! :lol:

Curry tree and willows are both nearly break even trees. That have fun

Well I'm kind of baffled that you took offence at my post in regards to Ray and to anyone calling someone a cannon noob... I agree that cannon usage in any way results in a loss of cash, let's put that aside because we both agree on that. You said that a cannon is fun and helpful for slaying... that's what I was saying, I use it on EVERY DAGANOTHS AND KALPHITE TASKS, not all tasks. I have 98 slayer with cannon experience on those two monsters alone. I never mentionned Piety so I don't know how this relates to what I was saying...and I have read your rant on slayer, it was well reasoned but like I said, not enough to make me steer away from my goal of 99 slayer. I read Qeltar's guide, in fact Truthscape is a very nice site for other perspective on RS, too bad it's mostly outdated for the last 6 months. As for the part about flaming Ray, at the time, he was popping up on the Held and Advice board every day asking for help and flaming anyone giving him help that didn't fit his point of view (so much for wanting help...I think he just wanted approbation...) and changing his goals every day or so. On a last note, not everyone who plays RS do it do gain large sums of GPs, and not everyone who plays are willing to spend all those GPs to skill faster. It's a matter of choice. If I want to cannon my daganoths task so that it takes me only 14 minutes... call me a cannon noob, a slayer fool or plainly a no-lifer. My joy that Duradel will assign me something far away from you on the next task is my incentive and we'll both have fun while we're at it. See you on that slayer sucks thread of yours!

blink-287 After reading your opening post and last page's posts (not gonna read all 190 replys...) and getting some good arguments on both counts, I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. People saying, train combat through slayer BECAUSE it's faster are clearly wrong, though if saying train combat through slayer because it helps you train another skill, gives you a break from afk-training (some might even argue that afk-training is boring... :shock: who knows!) and diversifies training give some good point. If your aim is to max out every skill, then training combat through another means than slayer is pretty dumb (we're talking maxing out combat, then maxing it out again for 99 slayer... not very efficient or should I say...tempting). It all boils down to your definition of fun also... I like slayer, 900k xp to go for 99 slayer. I don't like combat training outside slayer because the pace I kill monster without slayer helmet is a pain...in my opinion and a total waste of my time since I maxed out melee and ranged already and have a bank value of around 300mil, so I don't care much for money at this point. I really appreciated your analysis with numbers and strong arguments. It's not enough to make me train combat outside slayer (melee combat maxed out anyway), but I'm certainly glad to know there are bright RSers out there to crunch out the numbers on a variety of topics to keep us all on the cutting edge of training.

mining pure ess gives 140k gp per hour and ...5k xp. Smelting iron ores with ring of forging is slow xp but a steady profit if you sell the ores...even if you smith arrow heads, it's still a profit. edit: you might want to try shilo gems, nice xp and profit with standard gems... not the shilo specific ones.

maybe because cannon is efficient in multi combat zone... and slayer is pretty profitable. I strongly suggest you try some serious slaying, not jumping from a skill to another every 4-5 days. And while you're at it, give the cannon a try at daganoths and kalphites and compare the time you saved and experience gained. You might just change your mind and there's nothing wrong in that.

Your lack of willingness to see reason and accept efficient training always surprise me. Even faced with logical situations and arguments, you always find a way to look like a total fool with unsupported arguments, childish opinions and generalisations that are often simply not true or greatly exagerated. Calling a way of training stupid when it is a proven way to train efficiently only makes you look stupid.