Are we slowing down evolution?

[chris1216]

Lamarck's theories are [developmentally delayed]ed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the reason humans prevent microevolution is because any adaptive or superior genetic anomalies have a chance not to pass their genes on because they just can't find a date.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since breeding is no longer determined by survivability adaptations, there's a large chance that superior genes are simply not being given to the next generation.

[StrOwez]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am in no way saying that science is wrong nor that science and religion cannot work a long side > The Evolutionary aspect of Science and Creationism can not work a long side each other because they are totally different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeh, i've read books , watched films, A'sed exams on evolution but IMHO it make no sence to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was nothing BANG!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dunno what you are talking about here. The theory as to how the universe started has no relationship with evolution. I think this is how people keep saying evolution and creationism dont work. What if there was a god that created the first life forms, and then what we have today was evolved from that? That would be the two working side by side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Genesis God Created Adam in his own image, he didn't make a plankton and named it Adam.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tigra00 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If you believe in God, you also believe "There was nothing, then BANG!" too, so if you don't believe in Evolution, please stop using that as an example, you'll just look stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

God he made the universe yes made.

[Tigra00]

Prove it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then prove that he didn't cause the Big Bang, because there certainly is a lil' evidence that it happened.

[Flametrooper]

The reason religion and science can't work together sometimes is because people on both sides (especially the religion side) keep going "No, I'm right! And you're not! So nyaahhh!" Hardcore atheists go, "Look, you're stupid for believing in God, because there's no evidence/facts/proof/logic/reason for God or for religion or stuff, so you're a moron because you accept the possibility of supernatural things." But then religious people say, "You're an evil unbeliever for not following the Word of God like a blind sheep and for using that brain God gave you, so you're gonna burn in hell."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This also applies to evolution. Religious people go, "No d00d, God made the world and God made Adam and God made this and God made that, so obviously there's totally no such thing as Evolution." What if God made evolution? You say, "God made Adam in his own image", using that for evidence that humans were created as humans rather than evolving. But, you don't consider that "image" might mean something other than physical appearance. It could be that God gave the newly evolved humans, once they'd reached enough mental capacity, the superior intelligence to make fire, worship God, use tools, etc. above other animals. God could well have made things which then evolved into other things, and made primates evolve into humans; but he could have given humans His attributes of kindness, compassion, intelligence, mercy etc., thus the "in his own image" bit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bible does not need to be taken litereally; stories may likely be either

 

 

 

A) Metaphors.

 

 

 

B) Truths, at the start, that got muddled and exaggerated in the retelling; humans are like that, especially when some several hundred years pass between the occurrence of an event and when it's written down.

 

 

 

C) Allegories, analogies, fables (like Aesop) or similar things;

 

 

 

D) Simply fiction.

 

 

 

This does NOT mean it's not the word of God, though! God could simply have decided to write it like that. After all, He works in mysterious ways :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just trying to further the view of how you shouldn't go to too far of an extreme, and how religion, God, and science could and should go together.

[Dalcyte]

philosophically speaking, and that only, i believe that disease in a sense is not something to be avoided to a certain extent. Yes, its awful seeing your loved one die of cancer or AIDS, but why is disease there in the first place? Whether you belive in some divine creator or not, disease is there for a reason in my opinion, and saving millions of lives and all is good, but not to a certain extent. We've overpopulated this world, and now the world is trying to stabalize this growing population.

[Rebdragon]

-Stuff.... a lot of stuff-

 

 

 

I might have mentioned this before, but I'd just like to say that my Biology teacher is a fundamentalist Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sane Christians believe that Creationism and Evolution are the exact same thing. In fact, at a Christian high school I don't know one pastor or teacher, or student for that matter, that belives God just "poofed" everything into existence and that evolution isn't real. There honestly aren't many Christians nowadays who are such extreme fundamentalists that they don't believe in evolution- it's kind of like a stereotype to say that Christians in general are like that.

[Flametrooper]

 

 

 

Sane Christians believe that Creationism and Evolution are the exact same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. I'm trying to talk sense into the insane Christians. I never attacked people reasonable enough to support evolution, like yourself. I'm just trying to show the Christians who totally disregard evolution - micro and/or macro - that their worldview and a scientific worldview don't have to clash but can coincide. It takes some degree of intelligence, maturity, and a good bit of taking-your-blinders-off, but it can be done.

[Defender2516]

Poster 1: Maybe Maybe, Question Question, Maybe Maybe, Question question question? Question Maybe. Maybe question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poster 2: MAYBE!???? :twisted: QUESTION QUESTION!!!! MAYBE!!! QUESTION1!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poster 3: LOL QUESTION! LOL MAYBE! MAYBE QUESTION!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poster 4: Agrees. Question, maybe. Maybe.. question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When blind men talk, the conversation truely does get intresting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[Tigra00]

 

-Stuff.... a lot of stuff-

 

 

 

I might have mentioned this before, but I'd just like to say that my Biology teacher is a fundamentalist Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sane Christians believe that Creationism and Evolution are the exact same thing. In fact, at a Christian high school I don't know one pastor or teacher, or student for that matter, that belives God just "poofed" everything into existence and that evolution isn't real. There honestly aren't many Christians nowadays who are such extreme fundamentalists that they don't believe in evolution- it's kind of like a stereotype to say that Christians in general are like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like always, when science doesn't support religion, religion will conform to science rather than admit God doesn't exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Happened before, will happen again. Like I said, the only thing that will make many people think is if we find life elsewhere. But even then, people will friggin' be trying to be missionaries spreading the word of God to that planet.

[warri0r45]

Poster 1: Maybe Maybe, Question Question, Maybe Maybe, Question question question? Question Maybe. Maybe question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poster 2: MAYBE!???? :twisted: QUESTION QUESTION!!!! MAYBE!!! QUESTION1!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poster 3: LOL QUESTION! LOL MAYBE! MAYBE QUESTION!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poster 4: Agrees. Question, maybe. Maybe.. question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When blind men talk, the conversation truely does get intresting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then enlighten us with your infinite wisdom.

[StrOwez]

Prove it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then prove that he didn't cause the Big Bang, because there certainly is a lil' evidence that it happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prove that he didn't, the word prove cannot be used in finding out the way everything started because you cannot Retest it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebdragon Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:35 am Post subject:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Flametrooper wrote:

 

 

 

-Stuff.... a lot of stuff-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might have mentioned this before, but I'd just like to say that my Biology teacher is a fundamentalist Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sane Christians believe that Creationism and Evolution are the exact same thing. In fact, at a Christian high school I don't know one pastor or teacher, or student for that matter, that belives God just "poofed" everything into existence and that evolution isn't real. There honestly aren't many Christians nowadays who are such extreme fundamentalists that they don't believe in evolution- it's kind of like a stereotype to say that Christians in general are like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a student at the Christian Fellowship School, i can say that the teachers here are 'fundemental' if you like to use that word Christians, they all provide us with valid arguements against evolution ( no we are not brain washed) We learn the theory of Evolution but instead of accepting the theory as fact we learn other options.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suggest you tell your Biology teacher to Read Psalm 19, Also God does not need to use Evolution, because he is God all powerful and mighty etc, Genesis 1 talks about how God says things and they are made. I would imagine if God decided for Evolution to take place he would not say that Adam is made in his own image. Because if evolution had taken place then Adam would be in the image of the chimp next door. It would not make human race unique or special which it so truely is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dalcyte Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:33 am Post subject:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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philosophically speaking, and that only, i believe that disease in a sense is not something to be avoided to a certain extent. Yes, its awful seeing your loved one die of cancer or AIDS, but why is disease there in the first place? Whether you belive in some divine creator or not, disease is there for a reason in my opinion, and saving millions of lives and all is good, but not to a certain extent. We've overpopulated this world, and now the world is trying to stabalize this growing population.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From a Christian point of view disease did not exist before the fall (sin) after Adam sinned, he brought death and suffering to the world , bacteria etc is useful for getting rid of dead animals and debris nowadays. I am not sure that the world is overpopulated, if you take the borders away and let people travel and live freely then im posetive there will be space for all.

[Rebdragon]

^What is this, another Defender? Possibly going into the realm of another Templar? C'mon dude, learn what a frikking metaphor is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, this thread is about evolution, can we please leave the Christian talk out of it?

[assassin_696]

I asked my biology teacher this exact question today (he's a very intelligent man) and his response was "Almost certainly, yes."

[Satenza]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a student at the Christian Fellowship School, i can say that the teachers here are 'fundemental' if you like to use that word Christians, they all provide us with valid arguements against evolution ( no we are not brain washed) We learn the theory of Evolution but instead of accepting the theory as fact we learn other options.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you have a school based on faith, thats ridiculous. All you're saying is that you accept the Bible over empirical evidence and testing. That thought in itself is stupid, irrational and illogical. How can anyone say that they have full faith in the Bible, because is says it is the word of God, in the Bible. It's no different to any other religious doctrine which says the exact same thing. So how did you choose that faith? Indoctrination, because their is absolutley nothing to seperate one religion from another which requires faith in a doctrine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suggest you tell your Biology teacher to Read Psalm 19, Also God does not need to use Evolution, because he is God all powerful and mighty etc, Genesis 1 talks about how God says things and they are made. I would imagine if God decided for Evolution to take place he would not say that Adam is made in his own image. Because if evolution had taken place then Adam would be in the image of the chimp next door. It would not make human race unique or special which it so truely is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aha, religion is the most anti-humanitarian tool there is. Without religion humans wouldn't need to constantly ask for forgiveness and would concentrate more on the life we have here than looking towards their final goal of heaven. Religion is a clever way of supressing our humanity when really would should be embracing it, it's a way of controlling humanity through a 'divine' opinion, and any divine opinion equals absolute morality and truth. Which does cause wars and killings and brainwashings, and indoctrination.

[Rebdragon]

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Sat, just leave it be. If you ignore the faith and religion posts they'll go away :P .

[warri0r45]

I asked my biology teacher this exact question today (he's a very intelligent man) and his response was "Almost certainly, yes."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd tend to agree given certain circumstances i.e. living in the western world. The big post of mine on the first page goes over a few possible scenarios. Tell me what you think if you have a look. :anxious:

[assassin_696]

 

I asked my biology teacher this exact question today (he's a very intelligent man) and his response was "Almost certainly, yes."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd tend to agree given certain circumstances i.e. living in the western world. The big post of mine on the first page goes over a few possible scenarios. Tell me what you think if you have a look. :anxious:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that's a very nice summary. I'd skimmed over it before but hadn't given it a proper look until now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd agree with pretty much all that you said. I phrased my question to my biology teacher I suppose in the context of the western world, in which you're right in saying natural selection has been removed for us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course in AIDS riddled Africa there is natural selection still taking place, with the resistant few surviving and passing on their genes, but if our medicine spreads to there, even though there might not yet be a cure, they will survive long enough to pass on their non resistant genes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're also right in saying that a natural disaster or dramatic change would then suddenly bring in natural selection again to an extent, for example a theoretical (god forbid) ebola pandemic in the western world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Artificial selection is an interesting concept as well, I suppose we will begin to cherry pick our genes in the future, despite the ethical implications, to choose traits that natural selection and primitive brain functions tell us symbolise a better human being.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We'll see :

[4737_Carlin]

its a bit difficult to slow down evolution when u werent evolving in the first place. god created adam in his image this is how we were created.

[warri0r45]

its a bit difficult to slow down evolution when u werent evolving in the first place. god created adam in his image this is how we were created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You again? You can believe what you do all you like. The science in evolution is sound at worst and isn't automatically false because you say so.

[Satenza]

its a bit difficult to slow down evolution when u werent evolving in the first place. god created adam in his image this is how we were created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It'd quite obvious humans have evolved, we no longer use our appendix. That shows that we have evolved and no longer have a need for it.

[Flametrooper]

its a bit difficult to slow down evolution when u werent evolving in the first place. god created adam in his image this is how we were created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Try reading, oh, most of the religious threads on this forum; try studying biology; try googling "evolution"; try observing the real world; try taking your blinders off; try common sense. Then try coming back here, with a more educated opinion and viewpoint, and presenting more worthy refutations of evolution.

[Rebdragon]

Guys, guys... just ignore 'im.

[Guest XplsvBam]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It'd quite obvious humans have evolved, we no longer use our appendix. That shows that we have evolved and no longer have a need for it.

That gave me a laugh :) . Where is the proof that we ever stopped needing our appendix? Try to answer without circular reasoning, it will make the time on these forums less painful for you.

[Tigra00]

 

its a bit difficult to slow down evolution when u werent evolving in the first place. god created adam in his image this is how we were created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It'd quite obvious humans have evolved, we no longer use our appendix. That shows that we have evolved and no longer have a need for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's actually a part of the immune system, from what I've read. It isn't necessary to live, but it helps.

[beniscool218]

Yes. The evolution of humans has stopped, and won't continue until Natural Selection occurs again among us. However with other animals evolution is occurring. I don't know how many people here have read Ishmael, but if you have, you'll know exactly the reason why human evolution has stopped.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Technology isn't the main cause of the stop of evolution though, it's the advancement of our brains and intelligence that allow us to create the tools to eliminate Natural Selection. That's my opinion; of course you could just believe that evolution never occurred, and that God is the creator of all... But I like science more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I was reading the other posts about the appendix, and indeed, it is a vestigial organ. It's former use was storing Lymphocytes (white blood cells) to fight infections and diseases. Now we have Lymph Nodes and the Spleen to help with that, so now the appendix hurts us more than helps us and is very prone to infection.