Go travelling, experience the world. Sure, this may mean nothing in the long run but you may as well have a good time "existing" while you can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, you've no idea how lucky you are to be able have such a privaleged bleak outlook. It could be so much worse for you, make the most of what you've got, because i'm getting the vibe that you don't deserve it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As Assassin said, you live a pretty damn good life in the United Kingdom, 70% of the world is under you.

 

Go travelling, experience the world. Sure, this may mean nothing in the long run but you may as well have a good time "existing" while you can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, you've no idea how lucky you are to be able have such a privaleged bleak outlook. It could be so much worse for you, make the most of what you've got, because i'm getting the vibe that you don't deserve it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As Assassin said, you live a pretty damn good life in America, 70% of the world is under you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i leave in the u.k and at no point did i say i want to comit suicide, at no point did i say im better off than anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

assassin_696 is in category 2

 

 

 

viktrom ... ermm you just seem to be mad to me, im not saying my point of view is right or anything im just showing you what it is, ever tried thinking like it?

viktrom ... ermm you just seem to be mad to me, im not saying my point of view is right or anything im just showing you what it is, ever tried thinking like it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course I think like that, I've pondered many of a night over how insignificant life is, and then I read a scripture from any of a numerous amount of religions the next day. I know my life is meaningless and I am Atheist, but I'm not one to give up on life. I have but one chance, one life and in that I can do whatever I want, after that (to me) it's darkness. So I jump off that path and onto my own path, accomplish my goals, and die happy. I will not be complete if I do not die content in my heart that I have lived my short life as I wanted to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Giving up on life is giving in to life. It's weakness and weakness of the mind.

I would prolly think of suicide as well if I'm a fat hobbit.

 

 

 

assassin_696... ermm you just seem to be mad to me, im not saying my point of view is right or anything im just showing you what it is, ever tried thinking like it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not mad at you, i'm just slightly frustrated that such a potentially beautiful and wonderful human being is being held back by a nihilist mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have actually gone through that stage of thinking "Well, what's the point. What does it matter?" but then I overcame it. Life is wonderful for me, and if it's not, rise up to make it wonderful for you and others. Live not for a higher reason, but for personal dreams and aspirations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't want to make any great assumptions, but you live in the UK. So i'm guessing you don't know much about true pain or suffering, as I don't, or most of the people who are posting here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I bet if you asked someone who had been through real suffering why they kept going, it was probably for love, or for a dream of a better world. I think those are pretty good reasons to exist.

the only way I can describe myself is like a balloon, just empty inside

more like because your full of hot air you tool.

living without emotion lets you do anything like killing someone or killing yourself. Its really not that hard, just top thinking, and only think about the simplistic things, like squeezing the trigger, don't think about the reprucusions just do that. try it for a day is all im saying, prehaps you can understand how other people think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll take you seriously the minute you post a video of you killing someone in cold blood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quit while you're behind.

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If this is just a 'what if' kind of thing, then sure most people experience this kind of thing growing up, it will pass like most things.

 

 

 

If this kind of thinking prohibits you in any way then it's a problem best dealt with a doctor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop giving into fatalism, get off your [wagon], and do something for the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop being blind and grow a new pair of eyes. Sometimes it isn't as easy as it seems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This fatalist crap is what I expect to see from angsty fourteen year-olds who want to sound profound by spouting some crap about how nothing in life matters, and they're so hardcore they're willing to kill themselves or anyone without a second thought. It's indicative of an individual who hasn't actually taken the time to formulate their own honest opinions about life, and thus fall back to a fatalist philosophy.

 

 

 

Or a person with a dissociative disorder you [bleep]ing moron. Let's go laugh at the cripples.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a kid comes up to you and genuinely says they are going to commit suicide, do you just pass it off as angst? The short-sightedness of some of you people.

If a kid comes up to you and genuinely says they are going to commit suicide, do you just pass it off as angst? The short-sightedness of some of you people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Woha, easy on the giving out of that kind of advice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to edit in a more appropriate comment or whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Assassin

 

If a kid comes up to you and genuinely says they are going to commit suicide, do you just pass it off as angst? The short-sightedness of some of you people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Woha, easy on the giving out of that kind of advice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Assassin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if it was someone who has a problem which is treatable?

 

 

If a kid comes up to you and genuinely says they are going to commit suicide, do you just pass it off as angst? The short-sightedness of some of you people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Woha, easy on the giving out of that kind of advice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Assassin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if it was someone who has a problem which is treatable?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On second thought, I take that back. Was a spur of the moment post, wasn't thinking. :oops:

so from what i've read so far there seems to be 4 types of people:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. people who believe in the same sort of reasoning as me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. the people who accept what i said, but don't care. Theyre happy to be a nothing and, just live life beause its there, like my example in the post, they have been set a path to walk, they are not going to stop walking, and there not going to struggle there [wagon] off to try and change the direction of their path, theyr'e just guna walk the path, because they can. Which is actually the same way i look at life, but you all seem to be saying don't commit suicide and live like this, but anyway, hope you read this so you know im not suicidal 8-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. The people who just plain refuse to accept what i said. The people who are hypocrites, they only look at the good points in life and completley ignore the bad, and these people are just as bad as those who only look at the negative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. those who accept both, and say theres more good than bad in the world, and justify there meaning by trying to have a reason for their being. Your existance is meaningless im sorry to say, the whole universe is without a reason other than to exist, which is what your reason is because you are inside the universe, now the people who deny this fit into band 4, they just refuse to accept this, prehaps its because once they accept it they have no reason to do anything, which is the way i feel now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

living without emotion lets you do anything like killing someone or killing yourself. Its really not that hard, just top thinking, and only think about the simplistic things, like squeezing the trigger, don't think about the reprucusions just do that. try it for a day is all im saying, prehaps you can understand how other people think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it's intresting to see how people will frantically try and give meaning to everything they do, just so they can feel good about what they do. ignorance is bliss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rushrock you are welcome to post by the way :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ever tried complacency?

 

 

 

3. The people who just plain refuse to accept what i said. The people who are hypocrites, they only look at the good points in life and completley ignore the bad, and these people are just as bad as those who only look at the negative.

 

 

 

I believe this falls into the catergory of "I'm not going to supply a logical retort, so I'll just insult you."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop giving into fatalism, get off your [wagon], and do something for the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop being blind and grow a new pair of eyes. Sometimes it isn't as easy as it seems.

 

 

 

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I went through the exact same stage hobbit is going through under a year ago, being a teenager myself. Leave the condescending insults somewhere else, bub.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and by "do something for the world", I don't mean go become a superhero and stop the planet from exploding. I mean, do something for the people of the world. He could do anything from doing the dishes when he wasn't told to, to give his mom a hand, to helping out at orphanages or anything else; they should try and help as much as is possible for them. It's just way too many people on this thread seem to have a stupid, egotistical, selfish attitude.

Spreading Love, a distraction, doesn't necessarily mean that you're worth something. It means that you and other people think you're worth something. Come to think of it, Worth in general is just another distraction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright, so you guys feel the Sun is too far off to worry about. Let's take a nuclear blast then. Nuclear holocaust, end of the world, humanity dies out. It's a future that's quickly becoming more believable, and something that we might not be able to prevent. Your whole life becomes meaningless: no one will ever remember you because there will be no one to remember you. Life becomes void.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for me, I'm a well-off fourteen-year-old living in the USA. Perhaps I don't know the full meaning of life, perhaps I am missing out on something. I don't think, however, that I'm an angsty brat, and it'd be rude to assume that just because of my age.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for people knowing there Life is meaningless and they're atheists, it isn't love of Life that's keeping you from pulling the trigger, it's fear of what comes after Life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my belief.

Spreading Love, a distraction, doesn't necessarily mean that you're worth something. It means that you and other people think you're worth something. Come to think of it, Worth in general is just another distraction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, you've brought up the distraction thing a million times. From what is it a distraction? "Reason"? Depression? Emptiness? Loneliness? Suicide?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How in the world do you know that those things are the real focus? What if those things are merely distractions from the reality of love, joy, and hope?

By distractions, I mean human ideas and things that keep us happy and not thinking about our insignificance. I'm not really condemning these things, I engage in them daily and stop thinking about my insignificance, but I'm not one to turn a blind eye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've mentioned the fact that I might be wrong numerous times, but as for right now, it's what I believe. A few weeks ago I thought the same as you did: opinions change.

And I'm merely saying that the idea of our insignificance, in the way that you view it, is the distraction - what keeps us from being happy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted, I also have a different theology than you, so I have a different take on insignificance. As a Christian, I do believe that man is small and insignificant compared to God's glory, or even compared to the rest of creation. However, in spite of our smallness, we do have a purpose, we do have meaning, and in the end the love of God is the only reality that truly matters. Our smallness is only there to remind us of how great God's love is - He does not love us because we are great, but because He is great. That awe at His unmerited love is part of our purpose, as is echoing that love in our relationships with other people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Love gives life meaning. That's what I believe.

Funny, I just rejected Christianity today. Interesting timing, no? Well, our beliefs differ, but again, they might change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now then, back to the subject of "suicide".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so from what i've read so far there seems to be 4 types of people:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. people who believe in the same sort of reasoning as me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. the people who accept what i said, but don't care. Theyre happy to be a nothing and, just live life beause its there, like my example in the post, they have been set a path to walk, they are not going to stop walking, and there not going to struggle there [wagon] off to try and change the direction of their path, theyr'e just guna walk the path, because they can. Which is actually the same way i look at life, but you all seem to be saying don't commit suicide and live like this, but anyway, hope you read this so you know im not suicidal Cool

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. The people who just plain refuse to accept what i said. The people who are hypocrites, they only look at the good points in life and completley ignore the bad, and these people are just as bad as those who only look at the negative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. those who accept both, and say theres more good than bad in the world, and justify there meaning by trying to have a reason for their being. Your existance is meaningless im sorry to say, the whole universe is without a reason other than to exist, which is what your reason is because you are inside the universe, now the people who deny this fit into band 4, they just refuse to accept this, prehaps its because once they accept it they have no reason to do anything, which is the way i feel now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

living without emotion lets you do anything like killing someone or killing yourself. Its really not that hard, just top thinking, and only think about the simplistic things, like squeezing the trigger, don't think about the reprucusions just do that. try it for a day is all im saying, prehaps you can understand how other people think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it's intresting to see how people will frantically try and give meaning to everything they do, just so they can feel good about what they do. ignorance is bliss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can't classify people. I've tried and there's too many factors, people being individuals and all. Making a blanket statement about people posting in this thread and not posting individual arguments to each is just plain rude and lazy. You started this thread, remember?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You cannot live without emotion. You can deny your emotions, think that you have no regrets, and try to live on the outside looking in, but it's impossible. You are a human and, unless you kill yourself, you will live with what you think of as flaws, regardless of what you want. By the same token, you can't not think about the repercussions of your actions.

I think that life is just like a cruel experiment. There's absolutely nothing to live for. But our natural instincts and society's rules say that dying is bad if there's anything you can do about it, killing others is bad, putting the whole human race out of its misery is bad, life isn't pointless, etc. If we could override our instincts, we'd all commit mass suicide (and probably kill all animals too so that in the future they won't be tortured like us).

Alright, so you guys feel the Sun is too far off to worry about. Let's take a nuclear blast then. Nuclear holocaust, end of the world, humanity dies out. It's a future that's quickly becoming more believable, and something that we might not be able to prevent. Your whole life becomes meaningless: no one will ever remember you because there will be no one to remember you. Life becomes void.

 

 

 

Wait, let me get this straight. You're saying that the only way we can have meaning or a purpose in our life is to be famous for all of eternity, after we're dead?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and notice you you use the words "becomes meaningless", thus implying that we have meaning to lose when we die. Your practically contradicting your whole point. Honestly, do you even believe what you're saying?

Nothing lasts and in the end, thousands of years from now, none of it will matter. There may be no reason for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't get the most out of this short little life you've got here, and enjoy it, help people, try to be as awesome as possible in the time limit given. Like playing a video game.

Anonimu, that's a fairly negative attitude to have...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebdragon, I didn't make my point clear, sorry. I meant that the things we did in our life to try and make it worth something, make it worth something in the eyes of others, all becomes useless. And no, I wasn't saying the only way to have meaning or purpose is to be famous. Our lives are already worthless, so I misspoke there. Again, allow me to relate back to the fact that our understanding of Worth is based on the opinion of others. You can deny that if you want, but it's true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, I enjoy life, but I'm not one to turn a blind eye to the cold, hard truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my belief.

 

 

 

As for people knowing there Life is meaningless and they're atheists, it isn't love of Life that's keeping you from pulling the trigger, it's fear of what comes after Life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can't classify people. I've tried and there's too many factors, people being individuals and all. Making a blanket statement about people posting in this thread and not posting individual arguments to each is just plain rude and lazy. You started this thread, remember?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So your blanket statement about atheists being somehow afraid of something in which they don't believe is ok? Firstly your wrong. Secondly you classified a group with a blanket statement commenting that such an action 'is just plain rude and lazy.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kinda annoying.

Again, I enjoy life, but I'm not one to turn a blind eye to the cold, hard truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, why must truth be cold and hard? Why can it not be warm and welcoming?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Truth need not be like your home burning down. Why couldn't truth be like finding your home again, when you thought you had lost it forever?

I wasn't saying that atheists are afraid of what lies after death, I was saying that humans on the whole are afraid of the unknown, what comes after death just being one of the major things we don't know about. Also, as it happens, atheists is the only group that doesn't know or believe anything about the afterlife, so it's not a statement or opinion, it's a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and truth isn't cold and hard on the whole. I was saying that the truth of our insignificance is cold and hard.