April 4, 200719 yr http://infowars.net/articles/april2007/ ... ameras.htm In an incredibly Orwellian move, loudspeakers are to be fitted to surveillance cameras throughout major cities, allowing CCTV operators to bark commands at people who drop litter, act in an aggressive manner or loiter. Personally this disturbs me in a deep and profound way. Yet another step down the slippery slope toward dystopia. What do you think? (If you haven't read 1984 by George Orwell you should, if only to understand the term "Orwellian" as used in this context. If interested try Brave New World by Aldous Huxley as well.)
April 4, 200719 yr I for one think its ridiculous. What the hell do they think some middle aged woman screaming shrilly at some street gangs will do? Scare them off home? Hah!
April 4, 200719 yr Author I for one think its ridiculous. What the hell do they think some middle aged woman screaming shrilly at some street gangs will do? Scare them off home? Hah! Well let's say your skateboarding and a loud angry voice says "No Loitering. Please cease and desist and leave the parking lot at once." You turn and see a camera and some speakers. You give the camera the middle finger. But guess what? The camera has a picture of your face and your clothing, and a police officer can catch up with you in minutes and arrest you for criminal trespassing. Even if they don't, they can use face recognition technology to find you lickety split and show up at your house. What if you litter? The voice tells you to pick it up. Welcome to the police state. This is insanely scary, not ridiculous. It injects a police presence into the lives of private citizens constantly. Now in your example, of a street gang, obviously a remote voice isn't going to stop a murder. But this only proves that the technology is being applied not to end crime, but to end individuality and freedom. You might argue that my rights are not being infringed, for if I am doing nothing wrong I have nothing to fear. However this is based on the assumption that all laws are good and correct, which is not true, and that the individual does not have the right to some privacy in public spaces. The idiotic reduction of personal freedom that comes along with this use of technology is evil, not ridiclous.
April 4, 200719 yr I'll just treat it the way I treat the police, with a fair bit of banter, but respect. I'll have a laugh with it. If the police want to come find me after loitering in the presence of a camera, well, it just goes to show the priorities of the police. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you.
April 4, 200719 yr Wow, everyone was right, you are pretty paranoid about all this conspiracy stuff Pault... No worries, I'm rarely out 'loitering' in car parks anyway, so I'm ok :)
April 4, 200719 yr Author Wow, everyone was right, you are pretty paranoid about all this conspiracy stuff Pault... In the coming revolution we'll eat people like you first... -.- :roll: No worries, I'm rarely out 'loitering' in car parks anyway, so I'm ok Smile That's not the point. The point is that at some point you may not agree with a law and choose to break it. For example, you may take part in a political demonstration, or choose to cut through the backyard of a company, or walk on the grass, or whatever. And at that point you will reap the reward of your apathy, an omniscient police force that doesn't have to treat you like a human being.
April 4, 200719 yr The camera are already there and some cities have been trialling this for years. Why the sudden media interest? Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12
April 4, 200719 yr Author The camera are already there and some cities have been trialling this for years. Why the sudden media interest? These cameras and speakers are going to be used on a much wider scale in the UK soon. Many people (in the UK and the US) have realized that the War on Terrorism and the War on Drugs are wholly unnecesarry evils, so any signs of an encroaching police state are seen as efforts to control the population (in ways more insidious than "Terrorism" and the subservient media already has). What I mean by describing the War on Terrorism and the War on Drugs in this way is that these two vague concepts are self-defeating solutions to non-existent problems. Terrorism is a buzzword to describe amy violence which justifies the imperial actions of the US and the UK. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... themeId=18 The War on drugs is a war on users of drugs (most of whom hurt nobody with their recreational activities) and the sellers of drugs (who would not be part of a dangerous criminal enterprise if drugs were legal). http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib ... sicfax.htm
April 4, 200719 yr The Thought Police are coming... The Party is coming to take us over! Oh my God! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! Damn it, I knew it. Bush IS Big Brother. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on.
April 5, 200719 yr :shock: You only have to type four extra keys for me to not think "ur" an idiot.solardeathray.teensupergenius.com
April 5, 200719 yr The Thought Police are coming... The Party is coming to take us over! Oh my God! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! Damn it, I knew it. Bush IS Big Brother. This is the UK. :wink: Me doing staff.
April 5, 200719 yr The Thought Police are coming... The Party is coming to take us over! Oh my God! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! Damn it, I knew it. Bush IS Big Brother. This is the UK. :wink: In the US they read your mail and internet usage and listen to your phone conversations. : The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice.
April 5, 200719 yr The Thought Police are coming... The Party is coming to take us over! Oh my God! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! Damn it, I knew it. Bush IS Big Brother. I hope you're just a mentally handicapped, this isn't even related to the US :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 ::
April 5, 200719 yr Author I hope you're just a mentally handicapped, this isn't even related to the US It's related to the US in many ways though. We may not have talking cameras, but we have the Patriot Act, we have the end of Habeus Corpus, an essential repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act, and many other subtle attacks on our freedom.
April 5, 200719 yr My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley
April 5, 200719 yr Oh you could have so much fun with talking cameras it would be untre, especially if they were sorta hidden. :P "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo"
April 5, 200719 yr The pic of the guy with the tinfoil hat is so funny, especially when you read the research into it which suggest it actually amplifies radio signals hehe. Theres no microphones on the camera so they cant hear you and cannot be used for two way conversation. They are merely meant to be put into existing security camera already in places where they are deemened neccesary such as a town centre or outside of a pub or nightclub. Maybe if there was a camera outside of the pub I was stoodoutside when I got lumped in the face by a stinking chav is wouldnt be having nasal problems or at the very least be getting compensation from the social reject. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12
April 5, 200719 yr Wouldn't work in south Dallas.. they would steal the camera and sell it at a pawn shop for cash :lol: ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me
April 5, 200719 yr As long as it keeps the yobs off the streets I'm happy. A friend to all is a friend to none.
April 5, 200719 yr They've already started putting cameras on all the intersections in midtown and downtown Tucson, and it's supposed to be that in the next 1 or 2 years they'll be mailing you speeding tickets when they catch you running red lights there. I think its excessive but nowhere near 1984-esque (though it's a step on that path i spose). I guess i'll be a lot more paranoid about all this crap when I actuallyhave something to hide? Gamertag: King Arizona
April 5, 200719 yr Ack. They'll have to reconsider once they scare some old people into a heart attack and instant death. I mean, my granny -God rest her soul- would have gone completely berserk if a voice from the heavens barked at her to pick up her litter. The technology may be there, but I don't think most people are ready for it/can understand it, even apart from the very icky icky invasion of private lives. I can see it for me, teenage couples trying to get a snog in a dark corner of a semi-public place because their parents shouldn't know and then having someone have a go at them for loitering... "Mum, is that you?" - "Just you wait till you get home, young lady!"
April 5, 200719 yr How is ticketing someone for jumping a red light excessive? If you ask me that's incredibly dangerous and can result in death. If it stops people jumping then i'm all for it, some chav nearly drove into the side of my car a few months ago by speeding through a red. Cameras on all traffic lights of you ask me. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12
April 5, 200719 yr No, what they do is: You run a red light, pressure censors on the road sync with cameras on the traffic light mount to photograph your liscence plate. Your car is looked up and a ticket is mailed to you house. My beef is it won't matter who's driving your car, the insurance holder or the car owner gets ticketed, not the driver. Gamertag: King Arizona
April 5, 200719 yr No, what they do is: You run a red light, pressure censors on the road sync with cameras on the traffic light mount to photograph your liscence plate. Your car is looked up and a ticket is mailed to you house. My beef is it won't matter who's driving your car, the insurance holder or the car owner gets ticketed, not the driver.You can appeal any ticket you recieve for a traffic offence. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12
Create an account or sign in to comment