April 18, 200719 yr i don't live my life based on fearing hell, or desiring heaven. i'm not even completely sure i believe either exist. however, i believe that common courtesy and genuinely being a good person benefits everyone, and i'd like to believe that most other people are too, but unfortunately, that's rarely the case. I'd agree with you. I just don't like to follow something blindly. Maybe if a miracle happened to me, I'd believe... but until then, I'll live the best I can. Off Topic: And ktmcf, I love your avatar. Caboose FTW! [>>Thanks to Yaff2 for Reaper,Trooper,and DOOM sigs, Navyplaya for nature sigs, Hardwick246 for gold sig, ThruItAll for Darkwatch and guitar sigs, and Aijiru for avvy!<<][>>Refresh for new Siggie!<<]
April 18, 200719 yr Providing that heaven/hell exist, I'm not sure. If God doesn't accept non-believers, then I'm going to hell. If he accepts non-believers who live their lives very well (and I seriously have), then I could probably squeak into heaven. After taking that test I'm in level 1 of hell, the place for the virtuous non-believers. It's not so bad...I'd get to hang out with Aristotle and pretty much every great mind who has ever lived throughout history. No suffering either, just a little gloomy. Runescape Name: "unbug07"Expand your mind.
April 18, 200719 yr For all of you who are faithful in God, do you honestly think he would allow his own "creation" go to hell? If there even was one?
April 18, 200719 yr For all of you who are faithful in God, do you honestly think he would allow his own "creation" [bleep]? If there even was one? It's hard to know what Hell involves . But it's pretty obvious from what the Bible says, that Hell is a reality. And that only the righteous will go to heaven, since there is no place for sin in heaven. Unfortunately our free will seem to make us eligible for Hell. So the answer is simply: Yes.
April 18, 200719 yr The test says purgatory, and as internet tests are always right without exception I'm gona go with that :D but I wont show off about it to all the hell goers...honest... ok I lied
April 19, 200719 yr heaven and hell is on earth, be a horiblke person people will hate you, you will hate being alive.. welcome to hell. etc. if there is an actual heaven or hell when i die then i want to have a major sit down with the bloke who decides it, because there will only be one relegious group going there. a good 75% of the worlds population wont be going, so at least ill have company! Too true. Hell came from the depths to merge with what we mortals call earth back in 1994. Now demons run amock until some nameless marine goes through some funny simulation and destroys the gatekeeper. :anxious: psst... \/ But in all seriousness, I agree with your ideas. Life here, as we know it, is what we make it. It's all hinged on the choices we make and how we develop. It can be hell or heaven; it all depends on our attitude and actions.
April 19, 200719 yr If there is even such a thing... Hell. Of course, I believe we are already living in Hell right now. I <3 Gears of War 2. Add me on Xbox Live and mention you are from Tif :D
April 19, 200719 yr Apparently, being the "virtuous non-believer" that I am, I'll be headed to level 1 hell, limbo! I hope we get grass skirts! But in all seriousness, I don't believe an all-powerful God would sentence someone to eternity in flame and agony for a mistake they did in their finite human lives. Too sadistic. On the flip side, it's been proven that women are probably better mothersYes I have balls, but they melted.
April 20, 200719 yr Apparently, being the "virtuous non-believer" that I am, I'll be headed to level 1 hell, limbo! I hope we get grass skirts! But in all seriousness, I don't believe an all-powerful God would sentence someone to eternity in flame and agony for a mistake they did in their finite human lives. Too sadistic. I agree, therefore why the vision of hell being without god makes more sense. A firey hell screams sadism and cruelty. Does any christain here think that eternal damnation in the more guesome version of hell is just? Hypothetically, of course.
April 20, 200719 yr guess we'll have to see won't we? :uhh: Click for mah Blog!- I'm not sure why you would though because i never update it Achieved 99 Thieving 3/10/07-992nd to it
April 20, 200719 yr Hmmm, heaven or hell.... neither since they don't actually exist (unless you're talking about nightclubs or something, in which case the Hell one sounds like fun lol).
April 23, 200719 yr Try to convince someone that your religion is right and theirs isn't. It's impossible. It's faith. It's nothing else! It's not facts! It's not science! It's not , why not, math! ITS FAITH!
April 23, 200719 yr I'm headed to the 6th circle of hell. Hooray. I do not love thee, Dr. Fell,The reason why I cannot tell;But this I know, and know full well,I do not love thee, Dr. Fell.
April 23, 200719 yr If either exist, I am going to Hell. Simply because I do not believe in a religion. Need assistance in any of these skills? PM me in game, my private chat is always ON
April 24, 200719 yr I like to think I'm off to heaven, even though I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't exist. I've gone to Church all my life but I'm having a faith crisis right now. I'm bored of living in belief in something with no concrete evidence, I can't see religion as anything other than a way of manipulating people. The only thing I carry on going to church is for the community and charity work. I'm pretty sure there was a Jesus and he was a great person with great ideas (love your neighbour, treat others as you would treat yourself etc.) but I don't believe he was the son of God or any of that miracle stuff or heaven or hell. Sorry for being so off-topic, I just felt like getting that off my chest. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar!
April 24, 200719 yr I like to think I'm off to heaven, even though I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't exist. I've gone to Church all my life but I'm having a faith crisis right now. I'm bored of living in belief in something with no concrete evidence, I can't see religion as anything other than a way of manipulating people. The only thing I carry on going to church is for the community and charity work. I'm pretty sure there was a Jesus and he was a great person with great ideas (love your neighbour, treat others as you would treat yourself etc.) but I don't believe he was the son of God or any of that miracle stuff or heaven or hell. Sorry for being so off-topic, I just felt like getting that off my chest. If the Christian God exists, hell does not exist. It's an illogical concept when refering to Gods attributes. Are you compassionate? If so, then would you save your child from going to hell? Of course you would, and you are not even infinitley compassionate like God. So if God is infinitley compassionate he would never even think of sending his children to hell. As Engles i think said "God is the sewer in which all contradictions flow". With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
April 24, 200719 yr I'm a Christian, so I believe in both. I hope that I get into Heaven, it just seems like the better place to be for eternity... :-k .
April 24, 200719 yr If the Christian God exists, hell does not exist. It's an illogical concept when refering to Gods attributes. Are you compassionate? If so, then would you save your child from going to hell? Of course you would, and you are not even infinitley compassionate like God. So if God is infinitley compassionate he would never even think of sending his children to hell. As Engles i think said "God is the sewer in which all contradictions flow". God has done everything he can to save us. Unfortunately he also gave us free will. If you throw a life buoy to someone drowning, the person will still drown unless he accepts to grab hold of the life buoy.
April 24, 200719 yr How am I supposed to know? I'm 13, if everything goes right I've got a whole lifetime to be good/evil. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just going to live my life and what happens after death. (I'm not a christian)
April 24, 200719 yr If the Christian God exists, hell does not exist. It's an illogical concept when refering to Gods attributes. Are you compassionate? If so, then would you save your child from going to hell? Of course you would, and you are not even infinitley compassionate like God. So if God is infinitley compassionate he would never even think of sending his children to hell. As Engles i think said "God is the sewer in which all contradictions flow". God has done everything he can to save us. Unfortunately he also gave us free will. If you throw a life buoy to someone drowning, the person will still drown unless he accepts to grab hold of the life buoy. Free will to do what? Wouldn't it make more sense to give us free will as to whether we should follow God's way of life rather than beleive in him? Right now any following of a particular God is illogical and irrational. He hasn't given us a fair chance to make the decision as to whether we should beleive or not in my opinion. Even so, would you sacrifice your child to hell for any reason? As in personally throw them down there? If he is untimatley compassionate he would never send anyone to hell. With free-will comes the choice to beleive in him or not, an infinitley compassionate God would never punish an innocent, rational and logical mistake with damning people to hell. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
April 24, 200719 yr I like to think I'm off to heaven, even though I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't exist. I've gone to Church all my life but I'm having a faith crisis right now. I'm bored of living in belief in something with no concrete evidence, I can't see religion as anything other than a way of manipulating people. The only thing I carry on going to church is for the community and charity work. I'm pretty sure there was a Jesus and he was a great person with great ideas (love your neighbour, treat others as you would treat yourself etc.) but I don't believe he was the son of God or any of that miracle stuff or heaven or hell. Sorry for being so off-topic, I just felt like getting that off my chest. If the Christian God exists, hell does not exist. It's an illogical concept when refering to Gods attributes. Are you compassionate? If so, then would you save your child from going to hell? Of course you would, and you are not even infinitley compassionate like God. So if God is infinitley compassionate he would never even think of sending his children to hell. As Engles i think said "God is the sewer in which all contradictions flow". Thats one of the things that is making me question my faith. Why does God make us so un-equal, why is there suffering etc. On the other hand, why can we see beauty in nature or in paintings? It's not nessecary for our species to survive and therefore it can't have evolved that way. I think that beauty therefore must be from God. Or something like that. Anyway, for now I'll be calling myself agonistic. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar!
April 24, 200719 yr Free will to do what? Wouldn't it make more sense to give us free will as to whether we should follow God's way of life rather than beleive in him? Right now any following of a particular God is illogical and irrational. He hasn't given us a fair chance to make the decision as to whether we should beleive or not in my opinion. Even so, would you sacrifice your child to hell for any reason? As in personally throw them down there? If he is untimatley compassionate he would never send anyone to hell. With free-will comes the choice to beleive in him or not, an infinitley compassionate God would never punish an innocent, rational and logical mistake with damning people to hell. God wants to eliminate all sin and evil. We are sinful. God wants to eliminate us. It's not morally bad to punish evil. It's morally good to punish evil.
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