Are you going to Heaven or Hell?

[Defender2516]

No one knows whoever is going to either Heaven or Hell. God decides, not you.

 

 

 

That is not biblical.

 

 

 

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

 

 

 

Deuteronomy 30:19

 

 

 

Why would God tell us to choose life, if he is the one who chooses who is going to heaven or hell?

 

 

 

That would make God a lier, to tell us to do something when he really has is the one deciding for us.

 

 

 

Edit: xvillexvalox that is not true also. Jesus says love God with all your soul, mind, body and heart. And love everyone else as you love yourself. All the commandents and laws hang on these 2. That means if you did the first and second commandment, you'd be straight on everything else.

 

 

 

Which goes to show you, the Bible is about Love.. not about hating people. Never once did Jesus say "hate him because he believes not".

 

 

 

Infact, the Bible says Jesus died while men were still ungodly! Thats love for sinners right there, when you sacrifice your life for them! He didn't send rain storms of angels down to kill em!

 

 

 

There wouldn't be a single christian today had Jesus done that!

 

 

 

~Defender~

[xvillexvalox]

"Love the lord your god.... and love thy neighbor as yourself."

 

Luke 10:25-28

 

 

 

"If anyone comes to me and doesn not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters, yes even his own life, he cannot be my disciple... in the same way any of you who does not give up anything he has cannot become my disciple"

 

Luke 14:26-33

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

In my book, Jesus was crazy, and bad at analogies. (Eat my flesh and drink my blood? :ohnoes: )

 

Though, I'm sure someone like him might have existed, though I have no idea why people still try and follow what he preached, over 2000 years afterwards.

 

Oh and have you sold everything you own? no? You can't get into heaven either according to him.

[willysp]

Hell isnt christian. It was created by the catholics to scare people into conversion in the medieval ages. The bible says you live with god or away from god. There is no little horned men with pitch forks boiling you alive and deep frying your eyes, or at least not if christianity is right.

 

 

 

If you are of faith, dont base it off of heaven or hell. Religion isnt supposed to be a ticket to heaven. Do good and the rest will follow.

 

 

 

Catholics didnt just create hell and impliment it into the bible, it was always in the old scriptures, it was just never brought into the lime light until Catholics in the middle ages wanted to keep people going to church out of fear.

 

 

 

So its not a matter of they just created something out of the blue, its they brought it to light and let everyone know more about it because before this time, it wasnt really mentioned.

 

 

 

 

 

As for whether Im going to heaven or hell, well Id hope im going to heaven, but its not up to me to decide, i will find out when my time comes, I just hope that my lord and savior will grace me after I die and let me in :wink:

[rocketman089]

"Love the lord your god.... and love thy neighbor as yourself."

 

Luke 10:25-28

 

 

 

"If anyone comes to me and doesn not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters, yes even his own life, he cannot be my disciple... in the same way any of you who does not give up anything he has cannot become my disciple"

 

Luke 14:26-33

 

 

 

What an odd passage, never read it before. Had to google it.

[00 Quanta]

So did this topic just became all about Christians? I'm not Christian or Catholic, I don't even believe in god....I'm Buddhism and I do believe there is Heaven and hell. But you'll never know where you'll be going until judgment day...

[xvillexvalox]

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Catholics didnt just create hell and impliment it into the bible, it was always in the old scriptures, it was just never brought into the lime light until Catholics in the middle ages wanted to keep people going to church out of fear.

 

 

 

So its not a matter of they just created something out of the blue, its they brought it to light and let everyone know more about it because before this time, it wasnt really mentioned.

 

 

 

 

And you know, the people being governed by the church then were educated enough to read it on there own, and theres no way the catholics could have just been trying to make money. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Also, what happened to purgatory? It appeared and vanished after indulgences. Interesting eh? :wink: (at least in catholic beliefs, and not in the branched out religions from the reformation)

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

So did this topic just became all about Christians? I'm not Christian or Catholic, I don't even believe in god....I'm Buddhism and I do believe there is Heaven and hell. But you'll never know where you'll be going until judgment day...

 

Heaven and Hell are mainly christian beliefs.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but... aren't Buddhists supposed to believe in Nirvana and reincarnation?

 

I seem to be getting a vibe that you are quite an odd mix of religions...

[Rebdragon]

So did this topic just became all about Christians? I'm not Christian or Catholic, I don't even believe in god....I'm Buddhism and I do believe there is Heaven and hell. But you'll never know where you'll be going until judgment day...

 

This is a topic about Heaven and Hell.

 

 

 

We're at Tip.it.

 

 

 

What'd you expect? A discussion on the soon-to-be worldwide rule of the bunnies?

 

 

 

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And willy, Hell has been used by humans since the beginning of time... different religions just adapted different versions of it for their personal agendas.

[vilageidiotx]

Hell isnt christian. It was created by the catholics to scare people into conversion in the medieval ages. The bible says you live with god or away from god. There is no little horned men with pitch forks boiling you alive and deep frying your eyes, or at least not if christianity is right.

 

 

 

If you are of faith, dont base it off of heaven or hell. Religion isnt supposed to be a ticket to heaven. Do good and the rest will follow.

 

 

 

Catholics didnt just create hell and impliment it into the bible, it was always in the old scriptures, it was just never brought into the lime light until Catholics in the middle ages wanted to keep people going to church out of fear.

 

 

 

So its not a matter of they just created something out of the blue, its they brought it to light and let everyone know more about it because before this time, it wasnt really mentioned.

 

 

 

 

 

As for whether Im going to heaven or hell, well Id hope im going to heaven, but its not up to me to decide, i will find out when my time comes, I just hope that my lord and savior will grace me after I die and let me in :wink:

 

 

 

They created what we know as hell, by drawing together many elements from the bible. Satan was cast into a lake of fire, it doesnt say hell nor does it say to rule over the place where sinners go. Hell is mentioned as a place where sinners go, but there is no details. Actually, if i remember right, hell is greek for "grave" or "ghost" (if your fluent in greek please do correct me), maybe meaning that you just dont go to heaven. Of course, greek would be a religion many at the time were fluent in, and one of the places the disciples tried to convert after jesus left.

[00 Quanta]

So did this topic just became all about Christians? I'm not Christian or Catholic, I don't even believe in god....I'm Buddhism and I do believe there is Heaven and hell. But you'll never know where you'll be going until judgment day...

 

This is a topic about Heaven and Hell.

 

 

 

We're at Tip.it.

 

 

 

What'd you expect? A discussion on the soon-to-be worldwide rule of the bunnies?

 

 

 

-

 

 

 

And willy, Hell has been used by humans since the beginning of time... different religions just adapted different versions of it for their personal agendas.

 

 

 

 

 

from the posts i've seen, its all been about Christianity

[Ambassadar]

OM if people of other religions don't talk about their religions then naturally conversations will flow towards to the religions of people that are speaking up. If you want people to talk about Buddhism then you should start the dialogue flowing.

[Continuum]

Eh, I believe that if you deserve to go to "Hell", you just get sent back to Earth to try, try again. What kind of God would abandon his creations to Satan, hmm?

 

 

 

Might not go to Heaven after this life though. Might. *shrug*

[Korskin]

I definately deserve to go to hell. But I'm currently relying on Jesus to save me.

[Celt23]

If Christianity is somehow true then I would definitely be going to HELL! :P

[Defender2516]

Eh, I believe that if you deserve to go to "Hell", you just get sent back to Earth to try, try again. What kind of God would abandon his creations to Satan, hmm?

 

 

 

Might not go to Heaven after this life though. Might. *shrug*

 

 

 

Funny, your saying you won't believe in God, won't trust what his son did for you to save you.. but your definatly hoping he will re-send you back to the earth for a second chance, otherwise he doesn't care?

 

 

 

And to be sent back for what? You already said you didn't believe the first time.. hoping to believe Jesus the second time and strike it lucky?

 

 

 

It doesn't sound like God is abandoning you, it sounds like your abandoning God..

 

 

 

"Well maybe God will let my life this time around be for Satan, and then next life, i might see what he is up to, and go for good. Gotta keep the balance ya know.."

 

 

 

Where did you get that logic..

 

 

 

~Defender~

[assassin_696]

I think it's time we stop worrying about what's going to happen after this life and just get on with the business of making this life the fullest and most rewarding possible.

 

 

 

Also, Defender, your interpretation and views on the Bible might not generally be everyone's. There are many many contradictions in the Bible, what you believe might not be what other Christians believe.

[Defender2516]

I think it's time we stop worrying about what's going to happen after this life and just get on with the business of making this life the fullest and most rewarding possible.

 

 

 

Also, Defender, your interpretation and views on the Bible might not generally be everyone's. There are many many contradictions in the Bible, what you believe might not be what other Christians believe.

 

 

 

There is no contradictions in the Bible, only mis-understanding of what the Bible is saying.

 

 

 

For example.. someone may say "Your not a true christian inless you give all your stuff to the poor".

 

 

 

We can all recall where Jesus commanded it by talking to the boy who was rich right?

 

 

 

This is simpley just a mis-understanding. Jesus never commanded anyone to give their stuff to the poor. Jesus commanded the boy he was talking to, he was not commanding the church.

 

 

 

Think about it for a second.. watch what the boy said "what must I do?".. and Jesus gave him the commandments.. notice Jesus didn't add anything onto it and that would have been the end of the conversation.. but the boy persisted.. "I have done those things my Lord, what else must I do?"

 

 

 

So Jesus said "IF" you want to be perfect, go give your stuff to the poor and then come and follow me. The choice was the young lad, but it was not a neccesity or a requirement. Jesus only said "Follow me" to the 12 disciples, he knew he was going to loose Judas, and this guy right here might make a great replacement.

 

 

 

This kid was being offer the position of a lifetime... but he turned it down.

 

 

 

It was not a commandment, but people treat it as such, and your not a "true" christian inless your a poor christian.

 

 

 

Its mis-understandings like these that get the real truth of the Bible wrong. Thats why people miss the mark with their faith, they are believing unbiblical things.

 

 

 

~Defender~

[Mercifull]

Ive been to both Heaven's Gate and also to Hull does that count?

[assassin_696]

So Defender, your version of Christianity is the only right one? All the other denominations, including the large ones are wrong?

 

 

 

Also, Bible contradictions. If you could explain each of those please.

[warri0r45]

So Defender, your version of Christianity is the only right one? All the other denominations, including the large ones are wrong?

 

 

 

Also, Bible contradictions. If you could explain each of those please.

 

 

 

You have a good point. Everyone will inevitably put thier own spin and interpretation on the Bible. Each denomination focuses on different passages and extrapolates different and sometimes conflicting messages. Who's right? The Bible isn't exactly the easiest book to understand (unless you strip it down to very, very, broad, bare essentials i.e. god created us and sent Jesus to die for our sins through his love for us).

 

 

 

At the end of the day, if we could all take home the message of love from the Bible above all else, the world would be a better place. Even bishops/pastors/preachers miss sight of this fundamental message.

 

 

 

There's too much focus on the negatives, perils, traps and evils. Forget satan, people. Dwelling on the negative breeds negative thoughts. Just forget the concept of satan and hell all together. Focus on the good in the religion, don't dwell on the bad or 'what ifs' and no doubt you'll be set free.

[Guest]

Hell isnt christian. It was created by the catholics to scare people into conversion in the medieval ages. The bible says you live with god or away from god. There is no little horned men with pitch forks boiling you alive and deep frying your eyes, or at least not if christianity is right.

 

 

 

If you are of faith, dont base it off of heaven or hell. Religion isnt supposed to be a ticket to heaven. Do good and the rest will follow.

 

 

 

You just went against all which The Bible is about. :roll: Considering it talks about Heaven and Hell way back in the Old Testament and throughout the Gospel Books in the New Testament it wasn't created by the catholics in medieval times. And considering it also talks about Lucifer the "Arch Angel" falling from heaven and taking a third of the angels with him in rebellion and creating hell, your "perception" of Christianity (according to the Bible) which we base our beliefs off is undeniably of course and quite ignorant from a Christians perspective.

 

 

 

And also directed at your last statement "Do good and the rest will follow" has nothing to do with whether or not you'd be accepted into heaven or not considering its all about repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus into your life. Doing good won't ever get you into heaven (which the Bible outlines quite distinctively throughout).

 

 

 

I really haven't ever heard quite warped and manipulated beliefs from a Christian before to suit the way they live their life.

[warri0r45]

Hell isnt christian. It was created by the catholics to scare people into conversion in the medieval ages. The bible says you live with god or away from god. There is no little horned men with pitch forks boiling you alive and deep frying your eyes, or at least not if christianity is right.

 

 

 

If you are of faith, dont base it off of heaven or hell. Religion isnt supposed to be a ticket to heaven. Do good and the rest will follow.

 

 

 

You just went against all which The Bible is about. :roll: Considering it talks about Heaven and Hell way back in the Old Testament and throughout the Gospel Books in the New Testament it wasn't created by the catholics in medieval times. And considering it also talks about Lucifer the "Arch Angel" falling from heaven and taking a third of the angels with him in rebellion and creating hell, your "perception" of Christianity (according to the Bible) which we base our beliefs off is undeniably of course and quite ignorant from a Christians perspective.

 

 

 

And also directed at your last statement "Do good and the rest will follow" has nothing to do with whether or not you'd be accepted into heaven or not considering its all about repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus into your life. Doing good won't ever get you into heaven (which the Bible outlines quite distinctively throughout).

 

 

 

I really haven't ever heard quite warped and manipulated beliefs from a Christian before to suit the way they live their life.

 

 

 

What's wrong with interpreting the religion how he sees it? Not everyone follows the Bible to the letter, you know.

[Guest]

Hell isnt christian. It was created by the catholics to scare people into conversion in the medieval ages. The bible says you live with god or away from god. There is no little horned men with pitch forks boiling you alive and deep frying your eyes, or at least not if christianity is right.

 

 

 

If you are of faith, dont base it off of heaven or hell. Religion isnt supposed to be a ticket to heaven. Do good and the rest will follow.

 

 

 

You just went against all which The Bible is about. :roll: Considering it talks about Heaven and Hell way back in the Old Testament and throughout the Gospel Books in the New Testament it wasn't created by the catholics in medieval times. And considering it also talks about Lucifer the "Arch Angel" falling from heaven and taking a third of the angels with him in rebellion and creating hell, your "perception" of Christianity (according to the Bible) which we base our beliefs off is undeniably of course and quite ignorant from a Christians perspective.

 

 

 

And also directed at your last statement "Do good and the rest will follow" has nothing to do with whether or not you'd be accepted into heaven or not considering its all about repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus into your life. Doing good won't ever get you into heaven (which the Bible outlines quite distinctively throughout).

 

 

 

I really haven't ever heard quite warped and manipulated beliefs from a Christian before to suit the way they live their life.

 

 

 

What's wrong with interpreting the religion how he sees it? Not everyone follows the Bible to the letter, you know.

 

 

 

I'm sure when Judgment Day comes around God won't be asking him/her about his/her interpretation on why he/she should be allowed to enter heaven for all of eternity. God outlined it all pretty clear in The Bible and says to live by it. There's no "grey areas", unlike what some people think, just so that they can justify in their own minds, the way that they are living their life. :wink:

[Defender2516]

So Defender, your version of Christianity is the only right one? All the other denominations, including the large ones are wrong?

 

 

 

Also, Bible contradictions. If you could explain each of those please.

 

 

 

Okay, I can do a few of them, but not all..

 

 

 

Speaking of Denominations, those are men made. It was never Gods intentions for denominations to be, therefor I don't have one. I base my "belief" as you call it, strickly on what is Biblical. If God didn't say it, don't believe it. If God did say it, believe it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God good to all, or just a few?

 

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

 

 

 

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

 

 

 

The thing about these "contradictions" are laughable. They take 1 setence of something God said, then take another sentence and say God is a liar. However, stop magnifiying these 2 sentences, back up and see the bigger picture.. why is God saying that?

 

 

 

"This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing".

 

 

 

Jeremiah 13:10

 

 

 

You should read the whole book first. Remember this is under the old testament, so they are not under the grace as we are today through Jesus Christ. So God being good to all is true. These people were not worshiping God.. and God was then all of a sudden sending wrath down apon them for them praising him was they?

 

 

 

Obviously they was breaking commandments, chose cursing as it says in Duteronomy, and got death as a reaping.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

War or Peace?

 

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

 

 

 

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

 

 

 

Can a Commander not be a peacemaker? Also, this is not a contradiction. One describes Gods nature, the other describes Gods skill.

 

 

 

Exo is in the old testament, before the new covanent. The scene is when all the Egyptians soldiers drowned in the sea when it collasped on them. Moses praised God and said "The lord is a man of war".

 

 

 

Now in the new testament, he is know as the God of Peace. So whats the deal? Here's a question for you. What comes after War? Peace..

 

 

 

After the war, comes a timeline of peace. If God was War only, then we'd all be dead. If there was peace only, evil men would rule. The truth is, God is both. Just like a Commander of a Army can be both.

 

 

 

Moses term of God being a man of war is not so much as Gods nature, but Gods skill in being able to handle the battlefield. It says the lord is a man of war, not a God of war. Just another mis-understanding of what its really being said. Put yourself in Moses shoes.. wouldn't you be scared if you said "God loves war!". No, he says God is a man of war.. he knows what he's doing on the field. Its not his nature for War tho.. he's a God of peace.

 

 

 

 

 

Which first--beasts or man?

 

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

 

 

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

 

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

 

 

 

I love this one, well the answer is Beast.

 

 

 

Gen 1:25 and Gen 1:26 is the correct order.

 

 

 

Listen to this though.. This starts at Genesis chapter 2 verse 4.

 

 

 

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and wated the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

 

 

Stop.. Okay this is a picture that says Adam is being created and born into a living soul. So.. the animals are already existing.. it shows in the passage just above us that plants existed and how they got water. Therefor, the animals had something to eat.. there was plants to eat so they could survive. Lets continue...

 

 

 

And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

 

 

 

Stop.. Notice how Eden didn't exist before the man was created. It was created AFTER the man. Now lets continue..

 

 

 

And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

 

 

Stop.. Notice how God is making tree's grow here.. so if there was no tree's here in the first place.. most likely there is not any animals because animals are nomads, they follow the food.

 

 

 

Then it goes on to say how God created 4 rivers and their names.. which can conclude since there was no water here.. there would be no animals roaming around this area. Animals need water to live.

 

 

 

And the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

 

 

 

Then he goes on to tell Adam not to eat the fruit, and then it starts here..

 

 

 

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; (he was alone, no animals lived because Eden was previously a desert, no animals lived there and its a recently fresh foundation of life in the middle of no where) I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

 

 

 

Stop.. and concluding this.. Notice how Adam gave names to only the creatures of the air and the ground. He never gave names to the creepy crawlers or the fish in the sea.

 

 

 

Nor does it say at that point in time God made the fish in the sea.

 

 

 

So we can say that this is not a contradiction, but a misunderstanding of the timeline of the events that was happening.

 

 

 

Whew.. i'm tired, going 2 bed.

 

 

 

~Defender~

[warri0r45]

Hell isnt christian. It was created by the catholics to scare people into conversion in the medieval ages. The bible says you live with god or away from god. There is no little horned men with pitch forks boiling you alive and deep frying your eyes, or at least not if christianity is right.

 

 

 

If you are of faith, dont base it off of heaven or hell. Religion isnt supposed to be a ticket to heaven. Do good and the rest will follow.

 

 

 

You just went against all which The Bible is about. :roll: Considering it talks about Heaven and Hell way back in the Old Testament and throughout the Gospel Books in the New Testament it wasn't created by the catholics in medieval times. And considering it also talks about Lucifer the "Arch Angel" falling from heaven and taking a third of the angels with him in rebellion and creating hell, your "perception" of Christianity (according to the Bible) which we base our beliefs off is undeniably of course and quite ignorant from a Christians perspective.

 

 

 

And also directed at your last statement "Do good and the rest will follow" has nothing to do with whether or not you'd be accepted into heaven or not considering its all about repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus into your life. Doing good won't ever get you into heaven (which the Bible outlines quite distinctively throughout).

 

 

 

I really haven't ever heard quite warped and manipulated beliefs from a Christian before to suit the way they live their life.

 

 

 

What's wrong with interpreting the religion how he sees it? Not everyone follows the Bible to the letter, you know.

 

 

 

I'm sure when Judgment Day comes around God won't be asking him/her about his/her interpretation on why he/she should be allowed to enter heaven for all of eternity. God outlined it all pretty clear in The Bible and says to live by it. There's no "grey areas", unlike what some people think, just so that they can justify in their own minds, the way that they are living their life. :wink:

 

 

 

If there are no greay areas, as you suggest, then why do we have denominations? Why do people interpret the bible in wildly different ways? Why do people stray from the apparant basic message of love?

[jimmy_jim]

I'm guessing hell, all lawyers will go there :lol: