CTET rant/suggestion/ideas/etc

[Satenza]

It's current members don't seem to know of the orginal aims, they don't seem to know of how to get influential war clans interested, they don't seem to put much effort in, they don't seem to have relevant contacts inside the clan community to big clans that could compete, they don't seem to know which types of events are actually of use here.

 

 

 

In my opinion, it should be scrapped and the project handed back to Loge if he wanted to continue it. Otherwise just scrap it all together.

[Bufoman]

Alright then thank you for your imput. does any one else have somthing to say... anything good to say about the CTET?

 

 

 

Wait this is not my topic, I would like to heer From TS Stormrage and heer what he Thinks of all these reply's since he is the one who started this.

 

 

 

now about your idea with putting Loge in command of the CTET: If he wanted the job I may be for it, he is my predicessor and has more experionce than I with the clan boards. when he was in charge heer things where better I do belive.

 

 

 

however this is not my deccision, this is the Administrations Deccision. I am trying to get an Admin over heer to talk about this with all of you as right Now I feel I am reaching a wall in reguards to my power and Decission Makeing Responcibility's.

 

 

 

However I thank you for your suggestions and your oppinions and hope my Supperiors will take note of them.

[the_tallest1]

*chimes in*

 

 

 

Ok, I'm sure some of you have no clue who I am and the rest I've probably rubbed wrong at some point, so barring past discussions I want to bring up some points here and explain my position and thoughts on a few things.

 

 

 

For better or worse (and considering my limited clan background I'm sure some will think worse) I'm the Admin currently overseeing the Clan boards. I'm also now the Admin that is overseeing the CTET. The good part is I want to see TIF thrive in general and this, by extension, means the Clan Boards too. In the last week I have been trying to catch up on all the problems that seem to plague these boards and the CTET, all while working on the issues. The vast majority of this has been done on private boards and some in communication with people who have been involved in these matters. I still have more people I'm trying to contact about various things. I have spent literally hours and hours since I've assumed this role trying to work on things. I can assure you it is no small task and you know well how much needs to be done.

 

 

 

I firmly believe the whole point of TIF is to have fun and for enjoyment. If something is happening that is counterproductive or completely killing the atmosphere and fun then it needs to be looked at. The forum is here for the user's benefit and not the other way around. Bear in mind it doesn't mean we can cater to mob mentality, but there is obviously something amiss in the Clan boards otherwise there wouldn't be such strong desire to see change.

 

 

 

As Bufoman has mention, he has brought up having a private subforum set up for clans leaders, CTET, knowledgeable Clan board users etc. to come together and discuss what to do in a slightly more private setting if that's what everyone would wish. I honestly have no problem with this and you would be allowed to have an open discussion about the issues that are bothering you.

 

 

 

I want to see these boards function to the best of their ability and am willing to go to great lengths to see this happen even if it means a massive overhaul of how these boards are set up and how CTET functions. If CTET events are not catering to clans then we will have to do something about it. The events are not made to give an events team something to do (they're a lot of work and time-consuming to put together). They are made so users will attend them and enjoy themselves. Realize that the CTET makes an honest effort with these events and it's disheartening to have them not go over well with people.

 

 

 

We're willing to listen so keep the discussion coming. Bufoman has been fighting for changes to happen here quite hard and I want to applaud him for his effort. I don't think people know how much posting and how many pms he's done trying to improve things around here. I'm also trying my best to fix what I can as fast as I can.

 

 

 

-Tallest

[Bufoman]

Thanks Tallest.

 

 

 

so then guy's what do you all think of our new Clan board Admin? Lets give a big hand for The Tallest1 who along with me has been working hours this day alone to try and improve things around heer.

[LordBaer]

Hi there

 

Some of you may or may not know me ,I am one of the op that help with the TIPS IRC server. I seems too me that you should set up a room as a place for clan leaders to meet a socialize about what goings on with the Clans. The setting up a room is an easy process. Among the perks of a IRC room is that the room can be secret.Having said this,I am asuming that you dont have one, i can only make that asmuption because I am not aware of one. IF such a room does excite,please excuse my input.

 

 

 

 

 

LB

[Loge_05]

How many of the current CTET posted here before the CTET's creation? I think the answer speaks volumes. And look now: how many of the current CTET post regularly on these forums? In my opinion, many have just saw this as a back-door into the TET. The only solution is to dump them.

 

 

 

To LB:

 

A Clan-discussion chat was discussed when the new chat-server was opened. But we really need to look at the core of this section before adding any peripherals.

[Ts_Stormrage]

Ok after everyone has taken a chance to produce some feedback to my post, as well as me having talked with several people, I will now try to formulate what I think is needed, and why.

 

 

 

Starting with the why.

 

 

 

A long time ago TIF was the main forum for clans. They left for reasons I dont want to go into now, but let it suffice to say that those old clans arent exactly eager to return to tipit. Atleast not now.

 

Efforts are being undertaken to have TIF offer soemthing that the other major clan community doesnt have.

 

 

 

Ctet was one of those things, but as said before it is far from what it should be. This will take time, and no I dont think that scrapping it is a solution, instead perhaps a STRONG re-affirmation of what Ctet should be is needed (and yes I have some dieas about this, ofc).

 

 

 

I know that most Ctet are quite inexperienced, but again most are atleast willing to put in the effort required. However a few of them just dont seem to get any of this. That's ok for now, the Ctet is new and not well known just yet, but this can change fast, and one of those ways is to indeed dump those who only had hoped to ride on Ctet's coattail, and replace them by people who know their stuff.

 

 

 

I hope that Tallest1 and I can sit down for a chat sometime, which i'm sure he wants to as well. Then we can bounces ideas and suggestions off of eachother. Something I'll also do with Bufo.

 

 

 

The Conclave idea sounds good - if we get the basics right first. It is vital that the CTET needs to be up and running, and there needs to be a sufficient amount of people willing to support it. A Conclave must only be founded after said stipulations. Thus, it cannot be created until sometime in the future.

 

 

 

It can not yet be installed yet, I fully agree. For this a lot has to happen. I've talked with Sheynara about it, and we both agreed that Ctet and the Conclave should be built up seperately and independant of eachother.

 

 

 

A few days ago I had hoped to spark a bit of political discussions by posting the treaty between my clan and Militos Deci, however it was removed for reasons I still cant phantom. This doesnt really help anyone.

 

 

 

Over time I will start to talk with the clans already resident on tipit, and perhaps one of our future allies if they're willing to help bring this conclave about. If you have some ideas about this, feel free to pm me here or on rs.

 

 

 

That is all for now.

[Satenza]

How many of the current CTET posted here before the CTET's creation? I think the answer speaks volumes. And look now: how many of the current CTET post regularly on these forums? In my opinion, many have just saw this as a back-door into the TET. The only solution is to dump them.

 

 

 

Exactly, when looking through the applications that was always in my mind, and i see the majority of the CTET fall under just looking for another way to get the purple avatar, or be in some sort of elite club (although, there is so many TET members now, it's no longer very elite). I advised people who were active on the clan board and who who didn't apply to the TET leaders but i never saw any of those people brought in.

 

 

 

It basically comes down to the fact that you have the wrong people operating it. It's hard to find the right people for this type of thing but until you do theres no point in continuing it.

[Toiletpaper8]

I strongly agree with everything.

 

 

 

The meeting, I think, would help alot, as in bringing up new ideas for events, help us getting to know each other will prevent blamming other teams for cheating and more trust.

 

 

 

The planning ahead thing should be very helpfull, it should hopefully create less confusion, and more fun. :)

 

 

 

The part about paying could help a lot by getting more clans to show up by using the money for a reward and give others a reason to come to the events making them a lot more exciting.

 

 

 

The conclave seems like an awsome idea, I i totally support that and would like to help in that as much as possible if it is happen. Cant wait :)

[Sheynara]

CTET is a brand new Events Team. Thats what I believe a lot of people here don't seem to understand.

 

 

 

They are all very keen and dedicated on making CTET work. Their main problem is lack of experience in hosting events, not just clan experience. I would have liked to have seen some of the current experienced TET Members move across to CTET to train them in hosting, but alas, TET is also currently understaffed. We are recruiting a new batch of TET, TET AU and CTET Members over the next few weeks to help alleviate this problem.

 

 

 

TET did not start up from scratch, they had experienced hosts from the beginning. The new members coming in have been trained by the experienced hosts.

 

 

 

Satenza, your comments about certain Clans being unimportant is unfounded. The aim of CTET is to provide Events for All Clans, not Certain Clans. Whether a clan of 5 comes along or a clan of 50, what is important is that they have fun at the event. We aim at providing events to Skilling Clans, as they are just as important as the Combat Clans.

 

 

 

With more experience CTET can become a great Team. Every member in the team has their hearts in it, and that is the most important thing.

 

 

 

TS_Stormrage has given postive feedback, his mature and detailed suggestions are well appreciated by the team, and we are all taking steps to improve every aspect of CTET from the bottom up. It is a work in progress.

 

 

 

We would appreciate positive input about CTET, it will not be ditched just because of some peoples pessimistic views.

 

 

 

If you have any ideas/suggestions, please do not hesitate to pm them to the_tallest1, any of the CTET Leaders/Members or myself.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Sheynara

 

TET Leader/ CTET Liaison

[Satenza]

CTET is a brand new Events Team. Thats what I believe a lot of people here don't seem to understand.

 

 

 

That has been said for awhile, things don't seem to be changing infact they seem to be getting more like regular TET events each week. I also question that, when i came into TET it wasnt hard to pick it up, and it wasn't hard to put effort in. I did more in my first few months than in my last few months there, and it wasn't hard at all, i didn't have a helper i got on and did it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satenza, your comments about certain Clans being unimportant is unfounded. The aim of CTET is to provide Events for All Clans, not Certain Clans. Whether a clan of 5 comes along or a clan of 50, what is important is that they have fun at the event. We aim at providing events to Skilling Clans, as they are just as important as the Combat Clans.

 

 

 

 

There not unfounded, because the orginal aim of CTET was to bring clans back. How is a clan of 5 people going to influence the top 10 clans to start attending the events and coming back to the forums? Fun doesn't underly CTET like it does TET. It's underlying message is to bring clans back, and therefore you need big clans. You can't populate clan boards with very few small clans.

 

 

 

I don't have a problem with events for skilling clans, but what i do see as pointless is events that don't appeal to large clans. Large, influential clans fight. That is the bottom line, and you can't sugarcoat it with anything else. Tournaments with prize money may attract clans, but then again you need the right people to talk to big clan leaders and influence them into taking part. Which is an incredibly tough job as many don't want anything to do with this site anymore.

 

 

 

I still think the majoriy of CTET's members are wrong, as Loge said how many post on the clan forums before, or even now? It was always a backdoor into TET, and thats why it was always going to get the wrong people to apply. Thats why i approved very few applications, and thats why you should clean out the team before recruiting new people. It is a hard, and horrible task but in my opinion it has to be done so that the team can move on.

 

 

 

Our views are not pessemistic, they are realistic. If you wish to address each point of my views that seem unfounded or pessemistic for no reason than go ahead, and i will be happy to explain each of them to you. :) While its a nice thought to provide for everyone, unfortunatley you have to be more specialist here, because these events are for clans and it's intentions are clear.

[wild_goat_14]

 

No disrespect when you say these people have clan experience, but clans like GES don't help us here at all. How does a skilling clan that requires you to be a member of the tipit forums already to join bring new people in? Not to mention it's not the right people anyway. The aim was to bring back the clans. Clans that are big, and that have influence. Not clans I have never heard of, or clans like GES that are not influential or capable of bringing people here.

 

 

 

I am saying all of this as the leader of the GES and not as a CTET member.

 

 

 

What the hell is your problem with the GES? You have flamed the hell out of us since the day I made that recruiment thread, and you still decide to flame us because we are one of the most successful clans on Tip.it and there is little to nothing you can do about it. YOU are tired of seeing "Clan:GES" in people's avatars because YOU are the one that said "It wont even last a month" and YOU are the one that has been proven wrong. In the first month of GES I was flamed everywhere for it, these forums, ingame, even in Tip.it chat. It finally stopped after we because successful, but this has just pushed me over the edge. I am proud of what we have done with GES from scratch in just a little over 6 months, and whatever you say will not change my views on it one bit.

 

 

 

Now why just bring back "big clans" to tip.it? They apparently chose to leave, so kudos for them. Why not encourage the rapidly growing clans of tip.it to prosper and become the "influentual clans" that you apparently want so badly? The only reason for that is probably because you flamed the hell out of everyone who tried to start something and try to make something big. You probably are so stubborn and dont want to be proven wrong that you are trying desprately to get the old clans back to stomp us into the ground.

 

 

 

For now, we are the clans of tip.it, please deal with it, and LAY OFF!

 

 

 

I am saying all of this as the leader of the GES and not as a CTET member.

[Shazarabbit]

I feel that having a meeting would be a bit of a waste of time for numerous reasons. It would be hard to get everyone on a reasonable time that suits everyone and things can get distracting with so many people. Perhaps putting up a survey/poll for people to fill out accordingly can get everyone's opinions

 

 

 

Although i agree times need to be discussed, i think it would be to CTET's benefit to alternate each week between time specific events. If you have a GMT time specific event one week the next week have a EST time specific event and keep it at that rate. Alot of people in other timezones can make EST events.

 

 

 

The only fault i can see coming with getting clans to cover a fee is making a reasonable one. If you charge 25k for example, people are just going to shrug and not care, because lets face it people in pking/warring clans can lose up to 250k everytime they go out 25k is not going to be much. Yet if you make it 200k+ for example the smaller clans will not be able to participate and CTET supports all clans not just the big ones. All clans start somewhere, and strive for greatness.

 

 

 

Off the top of my head i cannot think of a way to combat this unless you base the fee on the amount of members in each individual clan, this would require constantly checking http://www.runehead.com for most memberlists.

 

 

 

I think having more than two teams for events will make things alot more interesting. It would also focus on forming alliances with opponents to overcome other opponents, but it would increase the need of great team work. I think this should be done, it would make things are lot more fun, but it really does depend on the event.

 

 

 

Regarding the Conclave for Clans. I will refer to RSC's UN. I find this very beneficial it allows leaders/high council etc of clans to form and communicate. Ofcourse these forums are only open to clan leaders etc but the benefits of this far outweigh anything else.

 

 

 

It allows fellow clan leaders/high council etc to:

 

 

 

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  Provide accurate information on people who should not be accepted into clans (ie: blacklist)
   
  Allow leaders to communicate and arrange wars/events etc
   
  Keep up to date on the latest clans out there
   
  Minimizes attempted spies into other clans via the blacklist

 

 

 

You've got my support for most of what you have said. :)

[Loge_05]

Now why just bring back "big clans" to tip.it? They apparently chose to leave, so kudos for them.

 

 

 

That has to be the most ignorant view ever. It's quite tragic really; everything the Staff - past and present - have tried to achieve with regards to encouraging bigger Clans can just be thrown out the window. If anything, your post has shown that you are not what is needed.

 

 

 

It's not about GES. We're saying that you do not have the experience and enthusiasm in Clans to make this work. It's become an addition to the TET, and that's not what was intended.

 

 

 

Even when we're discussing the future of the CTET, few CTET members have actually posted. What does that say about their intentions? They don't contribute, but they attempt to create events. Utter tosh. Scrap it, and start again; get the right people in, and do it properly.

[wild_goat_14]

All clans start somewhere, and strive for greatness.

 

 

 

Now why just bring back "big clans" to tip.it? They apparently chose to leave, so kudos for them.

 

 

 

That has to be the most ignorant view ever. It's quite tragic really; everything the Staff - past and present - have tried to achieve with regards to encouraging bigger Clans can just be thrown out the window. If anything, your post has shown that you are not what is needed.

 

 

 

Now let me quote what I really said, and not just half of my point that makes me look bad.

 

 

 

Now why just bring back "big clans" to tip.it? They apparently chose to leave, so kudos for them. Why not encourage the rapidly growing clans of tip.it to prosper and become the "influentual clans" that you apparently want so badly?

 

 

 

That was my whole point, please don't quote one sentence to make it look like I don't give a rip. I really do care about the clans of Tip.it, the ones that we have now, because I don't like to dwell in the past. You did read Storm's origonal post right? His ideas would just make the current clans of Tip.it that much better, but you are trying to get rid of us altogether.

 

 

 

Answer me this: If you want to get the "big clans" back here to use TS's idea, wouldn't that destroy the reason for his idea in the first place?(He probably did this to help his clan along with others that are here now, but these "Big clans" would wipe us out.)

 

 

 

Also one more thing, us CTETers were never told that we were trying to get the "Big clans" back here, we were told to make events for the current clans. So we are doing our job, but it is not the job you want us doing. So we will continue to do our job until we are told to do something else.

[Ard_Choille]

Keep the constructive ideas coming. The goal is to expand clan presence on Tip.It and increase CTET. Please stay focused on suggesting improvements that will embrace large clans and small clans alike.

 

 

 

Thanks to all of you for posting so far.

 

 

 

- Ard

[Satenza]

 

What the hell is your problem with the GES? You have flamed the hell out of us since the day I made that recruiment thread, and you still decide to flame us because we are one of the most successful clans on Tip.it and there is little to nothing you can do about it.

 

 

 

Off the point, i have not insulted or flamed GES in the topic. If you wish to know what problems i had with it, then shoot me a PM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YOU are tired of seeing "Clan:GES" in people's avatars because YOU are the one that said "It wont even last a month" and YOU are the one that has been proven wrong. In the first month of GES I was flamed everywhere for it, these forums, ingame, even in Tip.it chat. It finally stopped after we because successful, but this has just pushed me over the edge. I am proud of what we have done with GES from scratch in just a little over 6 months, and whatever you say will not change my views on it one bit.

 

 

 

Im not attempting to change your views on your own "clan". You have already stated that you didn't know what the first intentions of CTET were. I can only put that down to poor leadership and communication. It's intentions were solid from the start. If you were not aware of these intentions then you should have been told of them, maybe it is because most of the people who knew of these intentions and helped CTET from the start have moved on and are no longer in the team. I would have expected Lady Safrina to have informed the team of it's purposes.

 

 

 

Now why just bring back "big clans" to tip.it? They apparently chose to leave, so kudos for them. Why not encourage the rapidly growing clans of tip.it to prosper and become the "influentual clans" that you apparently want so badly? The only reason for that is probably because you flamed the hell out of everyone who tried to start something and try to make something big. You probably are so stubborn and dont want to be proven wrong that you are trying desprately to get the old clans back to stomp us into the ground.

 

 

 

I don't see how these clans will "stomp you to the ground". Do you ever post in clan discussion, or the clan boards? What active role do you have in the clan boards with your clan? The staff have been trying to get the clans back here for a long time (like when all the banned accounts were unbanned), this only shows your misinfomation on the subject. Showing us the the members are once again uneducated on it's purpose.

 

 

 

Also one more thing, us CTETers were never told that we were trying to get the "Big clans" back here, we were told to make events for the current clans. So we are doing our job, but it is not the job you want us doing. So we will continue to do our job until we are told to do something else.

 

 

 

It's the job that the CTET was built around, you wouldn't be in the CTET if it wasn't for the need to get the clans back and re-populate the clan boards. So i suggest the aims of your job is a little more clearly presented and you get on with it's purpose not with some needless excercise of catering to the clans that are already here. There is very few clans here, so few that a team doesn't need to be created to provide for.

 

 

 

So, again. GES is not the right clan thats needed because.

 

 

 

1. It is not influential - Would a top 10 clan see your involved in an event and want to join because of some rivalry?

 

 

 

2. The same people - It requires tipit forum membership to even join, so it's not bringing new people in.

 

 

 

This isn't just picking on GES, it's about all the clans that are currently here. I don't have a problem with them but they are not your sole target audience. This isn't under a personal agenda for me, im not acting too stubburn so the the new clans will "stomp you too the ground" whatever that means. If you are reluctant to bring and advertise to other bigger clans then it shows you how unsutible for the job you are. My advice is in the best intentions of the site and CTET's orginal purpose, not individuals clan ego's.

[Loge_05]

Now why just bring back "big clans" to tip.it? They apparently chose to leave, so kudos for them. Why not encourage the rapidly growing clans of tip.it to prosper and become the "influentual clans" that you apparently want so badly?

 

 

 

Really, you're not doing yourself any favours. Influential Clans cannot simply be ousted by a batch of CTET-grown Clans. Anyone with an understanding of Clans can see that. Rapidly growing? Not so. If these Clans were indeed growing, then why hasn't the CD forum became more popular? Why hasn't more topics been posted? Why don't topics receive more replies than they did 6 months ago?

 

 

 

That was my whole point, please don't quote one sentence to make it look like I don't give a rip. I really do care about the clans of Tip.it, the ones that we have now, because I don't like to dwell in the past. You did read Storm's origonal post right? His ideas would just make the current clans of Tip.it that much better, but you are trying to get rid of us altogether.

 

 

 

Now who's trying to make people look like they don't give a rip? You "don't like to dwell in the past", is another way of saying "I don't know what happened in the past, or why we're trying to improve". You learn from the past, and you improve. And let's just be quite clear, I'm not trying to get rid of the smaller Clans that frequent Tip.It. I'm trying to get rid of a group who are not performing.

 

 

 

Answer me this: If you want to get the "big clans" back here to use TS's idea, wouldn't that destroy the reason for his idea in the first place?(He probably did this to help his clan along with others that are here now, but these "Big clans" would wipe us out.)

 

 

 

You seem to think the "big Clans" are intent on crushing the smaller Clans. This is not the case. Just because someone can, doesn't mean they will.

 

 

 

Also one more thing, us CTETers were never told that we were trying to get the "Big clans" back here, we were told to make events for the current clans. So we are doing our job, but it is not the job you want us doing. So we will continue to do our job until we are told to do something else.

 

 

 

And that's one of the problems. You have not been given a clear purpose. The CTET were to create events, but also they were to encourage debate on the forums (that's why I suggested people who post here). But you have no idea what to do. Making events for Clans is a doddle, but making interesting events and making better TIF's reputation is something that should be left up to people who know what to do - people who are not motivated by the thought of a purple avatar.

 

 

 

Stubbornness like yours was seen by Clan Staff here some years ago. Look at the section now. Your solution is to hide behind what you were 'told to do'; to be narrow-minded and deny the essential ingredients that would reverse the problem.

 

 

 

And finally, I wish the Staff would give some opinions. We don't need thanks and praise for posting. We need someone to control this and make a decision.

[Ard_Choille]

And finally, I wish the Staff would give some opinions. We don't need thanks and praise for posting. We need someone to control this and make a decision.

 

Part of making a decision is gathering ideas from the users most impacted in order to make a choice based on all relevant ideas.

 

 

 

We get blasted for making decisions without asking first and now we're getting blasted for asking.

 

 

 

Make up your mind already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Ard

[Loge_05]

I asked for some opinions. I didn't ask for the Admins to directly make a decision. We need someone to control this and make a decision - but that doesn't mean I'm pointing at you directly.

[wild_goat_14]

The main thing that bothers me is that you wont give our clans a chance... You don't care if we grow and prosper one bit because you want the big clans NOW that would just make any possible recruits go to them and overlook clans like us and Tal Shiar, therefore preventing us from growing, therefore killing us, which it is in my best interest not to happen.

[Satenza]

The relevant ideas are redundant without action. I think Loge and I have said more than enough about intentions and problems. It all falls into one question.

 

 

 

Does the current team have the ability, experience, knowledge or correct attitude to bring large, influential clans back to Tip.It?

 

 

 

What matters is your answer to the question based on what we and everyone has said, and if that answer is "No" then you personally must know that it's time to start again.

 

 

 

All other ideas are worthless without having a team who can implement them properly.

 

 

The main thing that bothers me is that you wont give our clans a chance... You don't care if we grow and prosper one bit because you want the big clans NOW that would just make any possible recruits go to them and overlook clans like us and Tal Shiar, therefore preventing us from growing, therefore killing us, which it is in my best interest not to happen.

 

 

 

It is in your best interests as a CTET member. Again you are putting your own clans needs over the intentions and purposes of your job. You can't effectivley carry out your job if your afraid to bring new clans in.

[wild_goat_14]

 

The main thing that bothers me is that you wont give our clans a chance... You don't care if we grow and prosper one bit because you want the big clans NOW that would just make any possible recruits go to them and overlook clans like us and Tal Shiar, therefore preventing us from growing, therefore killing us, which it is in my best interest not to happen.

 

 

 

It is in your best interests as a CTET member. Again you are putting your own clans needs over the intentions and purposes of your job. You can't effectivley carry out your job if your afraid to bring new clans in.

 

 

 

First of all I would like to say this: I am the leader of the GES before everything, but I would never try to harm tip.it in any way because of it.

 

 

 

What you are saying was the sole intentions of the CTET, then this group does not belong. No, I do not like the idea of losing my job because I like what we have at the moment, but if you guys just want to throw away our months of work just so a few people can be happy, so be it.

 

 

 

Also, have you ever thought that your ideas may not even work? It is not garunteed that scrapping = success. I think it is arrogant and selfish that you think that these ideas would magiclly work if we got new people. Again I say, I have been given a job, and I will do it until told otherwise, so please don't insult me for doing what I'm told to.

 

 

 

PS>Please, do not call me inexperienced. I have been doing clan-related events for quite a while now so I know what I am doing.(Yes, they have been successful)

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Then have a poll created. Either you vote for it to stay the same, or for it to be restarted.

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Then have a poll created. Either you vote for it to stay the same, or for it to be restarted.

 

 

 

Thats fair- if it is just the Admins voting for it.