CTET rant/suggestion/ideas/etc

[the_tallest1]

The fact I was able to get through the last page of posts is amazing to me considering how much bickering is going on. Arguing a point just to be right serves no purpose on either side. Everyone needs to grow up and realize that complaining for its own sake only makes people not want to listen. Being more pushy doesn't mean you're more right or what you have to say will get done any faster.

 

 

 

I set up a private board yesterday for the CTET, those vocal about this, any prominent clan community members, and clan leaders here and their staff. I haven't given access to anyone yet since I'm in the middle of contacting them. Does this means I'm going to decide who is allowed to join and no others? No. If people think someone is excluded that needs to be then they can be added. I frankly don't want to hear the whining that would happen otherwise.

 

 

 

The point of this private board is for discussion on what's wrong here with solutions. No one is going to get their way 100% so this requires people to think beyond the end of their nose and learn to listen to others. These issues can be specific ideas to improve and change what the CTET is doing, ways to change the set up and layout of the clan boards, or how to get the conclave idea off the ground. Please don't confuse this idea with the conclave because this isn't its intent. This is just a place where those with a vested interest can talk this out without having to save face publicly or be more right due to egos. I don't plan on having it closely moderated because I think that's counterproductive to the purpose. Keeping that in mind, this requires people to act mature and not resort to petty flaming and other counterproductive means to express their ideas.

 

 

 

I'll be adding people and contacting others throughout the coming day or two. If by chance you get added and don't want to participate then feel free to remove yourself from the usergroup, which can be done at the top of the page. It will hardly be a matter to complain about since it will take 10 seconds of your time to do it if you don't want the opportunity.

[Satenza]

 

No, I do not like the idea of losing my job because I like what we have at the moment, but if you guys just want to throw away our months of work just so a few people can be happy, so be it.

 

 

 

And what about Loge's work into starting this whole thing up? Or people like me who went through tonnes of applications trying to find the right people, only to have the team not even know of it's main purpose?

 

 

 

Also, have you ever thought that your ideas may not even work? It is not garunteed that scrapping = success. I think it is arrogant and selfish that you think that these ideas would magiclly work if we got new people. Again I say, I have been given a job, and I will do it until told otherwise, so please don't insult me for doing what I'm told to.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter if it becomes a success or not, at least we tried. At the moment CTET brings nothing new or exciting to the site that the regular TET does not. Except look like a more ameturish version. You should not be mad at us for wanting to scrap the idea because you were not told of the main intentions of CTET and so can't carry your job effectivley. Thats down to your leadership's responsibility. If you didn't know that it was an effort to get clans back, then you won't have taken any steps or planned anything to assure that it is going in the right direction. So the blame falls on the people who instructed you to do the wrong thing.

[Wisp]

Satenza, YouÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re making it seem like there's not talent at all in the team, In my opinion.

 

Wiping it is not the way to go, I know I personally can mess up at times, but you know what, so does everybody.

 

You seem like your using CTET as a tool to attract powerful clans, rather then what it should be for, and not necessarily what you and loge wanted it to be.

 

Lets say we did get a bunch of big clans, it would ruin the experience for everyone else the way your putting it, if they smaller clans were allowed to compete, they'd always lose, then clans that are striving to succeed would be denied this chance too,

 

If you clear the team it will erase 5 months of work from the people in it, and I don't care if you say we are not doing a good job, the way your putting it either saying " it's not your fault you weren't told what to do, so IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m kicking you from the team so people who might accomplish something better might be able to help! Ok, you shouldn't be angry at us"

 

Maybe if you gave us time other then saying "oh! ThatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s been said already" or whatever, you should actually give us the time. Things don't happen veritably overnight.

 

With TET, attendance was high at the beginning, they had something on the front page, and still do, and CTET does not (not saying we should necessarily but whatever). If you expect us to go on other websites asking us to get big clans, then chances are we'll be flamed to all hell.

 

Give it time, and things may work out, if they don't then some ineffective members may be removed, but not the whole team.

 

Most of the team are really good, and we are doing as well as we can for now, and getting better.

 

I would agree with this even if I was not in CTET, and either way, I know I am right.

[spatulus13]

Say the CTET did start using the big clans of 150+, what then?

 

 

 

Wouldn't every event be the same, just week after week of fight pits, pk trips and castlewars?

 

 

 

One of the things that I like about the CTET is the fact that it maybe small, but each event is different from the last, adding a touch of originality to each week.

[Toiletpaper8]

that bug of clans it woud take out the competion to little clans, meaning hopefully they'll be a member limit for the bigger clans, but i think that big of clans would ruin the fun i think.

 

 

 

The point of this forums was to make was for to make friends with each other, not single clans out :\ I would actully perfer to not get involved with the 150+ clans. But wouldnt be fair to tell them no i guess..

[Satenza]

Satenza, YouÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re making it seem like there's not talent at all in the team, In my opinion.

 

 

 

It's not about talent, it's about the type of person you are. A regular TET member would not be right in this team, as this is a lot more specialised. Although I have to admit, when i was in TET aftermath posts were always a hell of a lot longer than 2 lines. We always understood the need to look professional (spelling and grammar checks), and make damn sure our events were not confusing.

 

 

 

Wiping it is not the way to go, I know I personally can mess up at times, but you know what, so does everybody.

 

You seem like your using CTET as a tool to attract powerful clans, rather then what it should be for, and not necessarily what you and loge wanted it to be.

 

 

 

Loge started it, that is it's purpose. It's not like we saw it a couple days ago and thought "Nah, it's got the wrong aim here!". It wouldn't even be created if that purpose didn't exist. I have already talked to admins and leaders of CTET and TET about it since it started.

 

 

 

 

Lets say we did get a bunch of big clans, it would ruin the experience for everyone else the way your putting it, if they smaller clans were allowed to compete, they'd always lose, then clans that are striving to succeed would be denied this chance too,

 

 

 

Competition allows clans to progress just like it does in the real world. If one buisness is failing because of competition does that make it right for you to shut down the buisness in competition with it? Or is it up to the failing buisness to work harder? Like it is up to the failing clan to work hard against the opposition. Otherwise what the hell is the point of clans and indeed CTET if your scared of competition. This mindset is killing you.

 

 

 

If you clear the team it will erase 5 months of work from the people in it, and I don't care if you say we are not doing a good job, the way your putting it either saying " it's not your fault you weren't told what to do, so IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m kicking you from the team so people who might accomplish something better might be able to help! Ok, you shouldn't be angry at us"

 

 

 

First of all, that doesn't change much. The fact you were not told that you should be looking to interest big clans, chasing up on big clans and trying to get interest from them shows leadership has failed you there with communication. That still doesn't erase the events you have made which are not interesting for big clans. You are CLAN TET. Your events dont interest the majority of clans - thats why there is poor attendance, thats why you have the wrong people. It's called deductive reasoning.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe if you gave us time other then saying "oh! ThatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s been said already" or whatever, you should actually give us the time. Things don't happen veritably overnight.

 

 

 

5 months isn't "time"?

 

 

 

 

With TET, attendance was high at the beginning, they had something on the front page, and still do, and CTET does not (not saying we should necessarily but whatever).

 

 

 

TET wasn't always on the front page. The difference is that TET is for everyone CTET is just for clans so attendance will be limited even though for some reason you allow others to who arn't in clans to take part - shows you the reality of what CTET is, just another TET.

 

 

 

If you expect us to go on other websites asking us to get big clans, then chances are we'll be flamed to all hell.

 

 

 

Which is why you need special people who have influence and connections with clans to be in your position. Not to mention appealing events. I agree you go to them now and tell them about CTET you will get laughed out the door, therefore isn't that a reason to start again?

 

 

 

Give it time, and things may work out, if they don't then some ineffective members may be removed, but not the whole team.

 

Most of the team are really good, and we are doing as well as we can for now, and getting better.

 

 

 

You have had 5 months, and it has been in my opinion degrading into TET. Which is not it's purpose. My guess is the majority of the members saw applications and decided to apply as a backdoor to TET. I read the applications and i saw this in 9/10 people who applied. That and lack of experience were the reason i found a ridiculously small number of people who would have actually been good for the position.

 

 

 

I would agree with this even if I was not in CTET, and either way, I know I am right.

 

 

 

You have nothing to support your claim of "knowing your right". You can't know your right, because what you perceive to be right is failing. CTET is failing so your obviously not right in what you are doing. Your arrogance of "knowing your right" shows how incredibly dogmatic this has all become.

[Sheynara]

Can I ask, why after 5 months you and Loge_05 are now expressing your opinions instead of being involved in the entire process?

 

 

 

Sure, create a concept then expect others to do the hard work. Then don't bother to follow it through. Then come in after 8 months throwing a tantrum because things didn't go the way they wanted it to.

 

 

 

Where were you and Loge when CTET were left alone for nearly 3 months without any form of leadership or direction? Where were you when they first started up their events, where was your feedback then?

 

 

 

Yes I know that I am inexperienced at clans, I also have not had access to any of the history of the creation of CTET. I have searched the forums and cannot find any posts regarding CTET from before they became a team.

 

 

 

What I do have is committment.

 

 

 

And so does the CTET Team, and the clans that have been coming to the events.

 

 

 

If they had been guided by yourself Loge, or been offered more guidance by people who you say should be working with CTET, then this mess would never have happened. I also saw the applicants for CTET. I did not see any of these names that you suggest bringing in instead of the current team even bother applying right from the start.

 

 

 

Its all well and good saying this stuff, but when it comes down to the crunch, put your money where your mouth is.

 

 

 

I have worked hard with CTET, I have continually asked for more help with the Clan aspect of the team. As I have already said, I was asked to step in to help them, not due to my clan experience, but due to the fact that I am a doer! I get things done. I got CTET Launched and they have done a great job, considering they did not have the hands on guidance from the individuals who created the concept. I find it offensive that you have suggested we ditch the team and start again, considering how hard they have worked. Yes, they have a lot more to learn, and there are some leadership issues, but they are all committed. That is what is important. Yes clan experience is very very important too, but as I keep repeating myself and will so till I am blue in the face, we had to make do with what we had.

 

 

 

Some advice and guidance before now would have been appreciated.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Shey

[Satenza]

Can I ask, why after 5 months you and Loge_05 are now expressing your opinions instead of being involved in the entire process?

 

 

 

Sure, create a concept then expect others to do the hard work. Then don't bother to follow it through. Then come in after 8 months throwing a tantrum because things didn't go the way they wanted it to.

 

 

 

Where were you and Loge when CTET were left alone for nearly 3 months without any form of leadership or direction? Where were you when they first started up their events, where was your feedback then?

 

 

 

Well i was fired for a ridiculous reason as you well know. Despite that i still always tried to talk to you and admins about the problems i had with it. I think it's quite expecting of someone who was fired to help out still, but despite that I always tried. Just like I am trying now, what do I have to gain? I already burn't the majority of my bridges with ever being officially able to help out again. So if it's not for some distorted version of power then i have nothing, except wanting to see it succeed.

 

 

 

I have worked hard with CTET, I have continually asked for more help with the Clan aspect of the team. As I have already said, I was asked to step in to help them, not due to my clan experience, but due to the fact that I am a doer! I get things done. I got CTET Launched and they have done a great job, considering they did not have the hands on guidance from the individuals who created the concept. I find it offensive that you have suggested we ditch the team and start again, considering how hard they have worked. Yes, they have a lot more to learn, and there are some leadership issues, but they are all committed. That is what is important. Yes clan experience is very very important too, but as I keep repeating myself and will so till I am blue in the face, we had to make do with what we had.

 

 

 

 

Making do with what you had isn't really a strong basis to start something like CTET off with. It should have probably been put off until someone with relevant experience could oversee it (as you have admitted you are not experienced with clans).

 

 

Some advice and guidance before now would have been appreciated.

 

 

 

I don't think you can say i never tried to help, because i have spoken to you various times about it giving advice.

[Loge_05]

To Sheynara:

 

I resigned about three weeks after suggesting the CTET. It was in very early stages - applications were about to be received - when I left. If you can see the Staff forum, then you'll know why. I loved working with the people in the Clan forums. I enjoyed improving TIF's Clan section. But the actions of some in other areas of the forums frustrated me. I hated to leave the Clan section like it was, but I couldn't work with certain people any longer.

 

 

 

Not once was I contacted about the CTET idea. Not once. I was PMed about Clan-forum issues several times - by Bufoman, Grim_Jokes, Igna and Kill_Life. But, when it came to the CTET, no-one asked for guidance or advice. I have my solutions to some of the current problems; I have my ideas on how to improve. But I'm not handing them over yet. It's clear that there is no-one who has either the enthusiasm, experience or the patience to get things done.

 

 

 

You cannot blame me or Satenza; neither of us were around for our own reasons. But there are others with opinions on TIF. And, although I haven't checked, I'm pretty sure you did not ask for constructive criticism prior to this topic. If you want to know why the CTET was created, and who we modelled ourselves on, then read all the topics by LadySarafina and I in the Clan Archives.

 

 

 

"Doing well with what we had", is all very well. But that is not the recipe for success. You should have waited until you had the resources.

 

 

 

The CTET has not fulfilled it's purpose. It should be scraped and re-done again. You've had your attempt at creating Clan events. Now let others get involved who can generate growth on TIF.

[Satenza]

And lets be honest giving constructive critisism was what led to me being fired in the first place. It was hardly a healthy atmosphere to present it in, so even if i didn't do it as much as I maybe have could it wasn't my job, and when it was i got nothing but aggrevation from it.

[Ts_Stormrage]

OK, enough with the "why things happened"...

 

 

 

We all know what the current status is, and it is that things arent good, and msot stuff is worked on.

 

 

 

People voiced their opinion, and right now a select group of people have been invited to a private section of the forums to help bring into focus what steps would REALLY help...

 

 

 

Lets continue this conversation there, because thigns liek that should be discussed calmly and with positive attitude in there.

 

 

 

Expect to see my full outline of The Conclave soon, as well as some suggestions for CTET, as some potential clans to invite over (I have contacts with Nemesis)...

[Bufoman]

Thanks TS, things have gotten abit heated heer and I think it does not make us look to good to newcomers to see all this bickering. thats one of the resons we made this private sub-forum so you can do that their without makeing the clan boards look bad.

 

 

 

to new comers: I apologise for the way people have posted twoards one anouther heer, Please know that we are not alway's fighting on these boards. normaly every one gets along fine.

[Taylor06]

As a newcomer who has only recently joined Tip.it, i find this thread both annoying and funny.

 

 

 

It annoys me because it seems like CTET is quite a good team but that they have made a few problems but what annoys me the most as I read through those posts is that really the only people who want to get CTET scrapped are Santenze and Loge, (I think I may have gotten your names wrong) and the rest just want a few problems sorted out. As a person with no background info on CTET it seems you two are against the whole idea and that is what amuses me. From what I have gathered looking at other threads you both seem to have had problems with something else that is affiliated with CTET or something and it seems you are taking that anger out on CTET which is quite amusing.

[Loge_05]

We were both involved with the CTET idea. I'm disappointed to see it has descended into its current state.

 

 

 

And no; I didn't resign because of the Clan section, the CTET or anything affiliated with it. I left because of blunders made by staff - none of whom are in the CTET.

[Gamerr]

For me it's simple.

 

 

 

Tip it is trying to boost their clan section up, but fails miserably.

 

Don't believe me? Check the active topics, and I think words aren't needed anymore. I'll try to vent my frustrations, because as tip it member I've known better times, and I (passively) experienced Scapeboard and it's greatness.

 

 

 

Problems.

 

I'll explain the reason for the downgrade of the clansection with a compaharision with a football team. It's not because you got good players, you got a good team. It's not because you got a good team, the management is good. Tip.it, or should I say Scapeboard?, was good, great, in one word AWESOME. Smooth moderation, moderators didn't feel themself better and didn't lock every small discussion point.

 

 

 

Some staff members/admins are a joke. In my opinion the rank of moderator is something you have to earn. I see very weird people getting that job, and I fail to understand the reason behind it.

 

 

 

I'll give an example: What about the classic boards? We had a great moderator there, named Vmser, and he suddenly gets demodded for something happened in IRC. Okay, people make mistakes but instead of give him another chance or put somebody in charge who actually PLAYS RSC, you put people in charge who come to the classic boards now and then and lock some topics because there's too much discussion.

 

 

 

What has this all to do with the clan section?

 

In the clan section we have no good mods. Don't understand me wrong, the people who are in charge are doing their best, but it's like putting people in charge who don't have any influence.

 

What do I mean? Simple, put people in charge who are important in the clan world. Look to RSCommunity, all high mods are people who are/were important in the clan section. So search as mods high councils of the big clans, warlords or very loyal clan members who browse forums regularly.

 

 

 

And finally, it's said before and I'll say it again. Don't ever THINK the clan section and tip it will improve if the staff and admins are so stupid.

 

1) In the classic section its forbidden to admit your autoing, but people who post "zoomed" kills are getting banned for autoing. And others, who we all know that auto are not getting banned because they don't admit it. OH PLEASE. Or ban everybody then, but then it's empty, or keep it within lines. As long the PICTURES are "looking okay" you can post what you want. You really think there are people who train weeks on classic legit? Don't think so, or atleast they don't browse forums.

 

 

 

2) IRC. I LAUGH with tip it chat. If you say "[bleep]" you get banned, if you ask for a voice you get banned etc. Meh, no reason you don't get many ppl on IRC. The people in charge are picking on every f word or on every question about something that could be illegal. I'm not in favour of shouting, but when something happens you can type [bleep] in a sudden rage. To get banned for that is complete nonsense.

 

 

 

3) Want a better clan section? Not without a better staff. I see only a few people in the current staff who would survive in for example RSCommunity. The newcomers, no offence, are typical RS2-ers. Lock-hungry is what I call that.

 

Put people in charge who are worth it.

 

 

 

4) Ever wonder why tip it is so empty? Because of the staff. And please, I'm not talking about most admins, but some mods meh it's something that I, as a member of TIF shouldn't even have to say.

 

What I mean? I often wonder, how on earth do mods get chosen?

 

I may say that I browse the forums quite often, and I HARDLY see people getting mod who post guides, constructive comments and stuff like that. Everybody can hang around on the rants or help and advice board 2 hours a day and give some views. But few people have the capacity to make good guides, to feel what's living in the community and stuff like that.

 

 

 

First do some changes in the staff, then if you want a better (clan) community put people from clans who have the capacity and are KNOWN in the (big) clan world on top.

 

 

 

CTET

 

 

 

Ehm, correct me if I'm wrong on this paragraph, because I'm not sure if I'm correct in my revision.

 

 

 

So basicly, CTET is here to do events with a lot of clans together with tip it? If it is, this is the funniest idea I have ever heard.

 

 

 

Clans are too different, and if they have similarities they are already doin things together (look at THE alliance). Organising events for a lot of clans is pointless and a big waste of time.

 

 

 

What do I personally miss?

 

My revision on what I said:

 

 

 

To do things for Tip it staff:

 

- take your responsibility

 

- throw the people who only lock and don't mod out

 

- improve clan section by hiring mods who have something to say/had something to say in the actual CLAN world

 

- with clan world I mean DI, TRWF, THE, Gladz, TMRD, VR, EH, Corr, RoT, Supreme skillrs, etc.

 

- post useful things in the clan section, weird how there aren't things like how to make a clan, how to make a clan website, how to recruit, links to the clan forums etc.

 

- and PLEASE, don't put somebody in charge who has created a PK-ing clan a few months ago and now "claims" to have experience ( I don't mean anybody who's in charge atm, just saying who you shouldn't hire)

[Bufoman]

Thank you for your constructive Critisisim. Its True Ill admit that I do not have much experionce in Dealings with the Larger Clans save Moding their Recrutement topics and a few posts here and their.

 

 

 

 

 

However I am a (Clan) Leader. I prefer to call us an order but thats not reely important right now. as a Staff Member I do not apreaceate you calling my Fellow Staffies a Joke. we do alot of work on our respective forums and when you see them Locking topics here its becouse they get reported and Im not currently avalable to deal with them. the vast majority of things that get locked here should be locked as they generaly are either in the wrong place, or break Forum Rules.

 

 

 

as I am the only Clan Moderator however, so you won't see them make alot of posts here. and I certainly hope you where not refering to me being wrong for the Job. Its been nearly 6 months Since I started my job as a Clan Mod and I have that experionce plus the Experionce Clan wise of Leading my order for a year and many clans prior to that.

 

 

 

However I do lack certain powers- If I had my way things would be quite diffrent here, we would have a new board for all war and alliance topics, Certain Sub-forums would be merged, the CTET Would take a strong Tournoment style for its events, and the Clan Section over all would be abit less strict in some reguards- More so in others.

 

 

 

That said I will let others comment, But I do not Apreaceate you calling my Fellow Staff Members Stupid.

[Gamerr]

That said I will let others comment, But I do not Apreaceate you calling my Fellow Staff Members Stupid.

 

 

 

I do not refer to specifically you, but in my eyes clan mods should be a healthy mix of people from small clans, but also people from the top 5/10 clans. If you only have people from small clans, or small in "the ranks", you will get a one side view on the clan world.

 

 

 

E.g: If the warlord of DI would be a clan mod here (I have no idea who their warlord is, just giving an example), it would automatically be an upgrade. For example DI members would use TIF, lots of "fans" of DI would come to see how their PK trips are etc. What you, and the staff, seems to forget are the basics for discussion. When officials of big clans post their PK trip results, they will automatically attract people who want to read/comment on the topics.

 

 

 

Same for other big clans, if their leaders/pk post the results of their PK trips, PK run ins here regurarely more people will visit here.

 

 

 

I understand your anger on the fact I called some staff members stupid, but that was for a matter of speaking. I don't have anything against the staff, I hardly know them. But I hear stories, I hear people from ex-tip it staff who tell things. Not that I believe anything people say, but the most important proof of the fact that not anything is ok is the fact that tip it is lacking with popularity. I don't know what's the exact problem, but it's not my job to search the problem.

 

 

 

I am not of the opinion that the staff/moderators don't do anything Bufoman, but I want to underline that not everything is how it should be. For example, if a member starts a discussion and a few words are thrown to eachother, every time I see a moderator post he/she deletes all the arguing and says: no more arguing or I lock this topic. In my eyes, topics should only be locked for spam, illegal content or explicit (and please the f word isn't that explicit) content. If one says JAGeX doesn't do a good job, and the other reacts on that it doesn't mean the topic needs to be locked or moved to the rants section.

 

 

 

In the end, I don't understand how tip.it staff works. I know I'm walking off topic now, because I should be giving tips on how to improve, but how do moderators get chosen? Is it a poll within the staff, can other mods bring up names, do you look who's the most active in help & advice? Because I don't know it. What happened to the poll system? When the community could choose for a person to be a moderator, and to keep the popularity game limited, the tip it staff would choose 5 names and the people will have to vote + post for like 2 weeks and people would choose the most suited person.

 

 

 

In general I would change some small thing about TIF which would could do wonders. For example, make a board with a post limit, for example in the rants board you have to have atleast 100 posts to start one.

 

Or a time limit, tip it members who joined over a year ago would have the chance to evaluate tip it on a special board.

 

 

 

All those small things could improve these boards a lot, why not a brush up?

[Igna]

Well, I've been brought back into this subject again.

 

 

 

I agree with Gamerr in, at least, his perspective as a whole. A lot of people here don't seem to have a lot of experience with the big-league clan community, and though primarily Tip.it is not attracting that sort of audience due to the fact that it is already rooted in RSC, the atmosphere here makes it impossible for larger clans to settle.

 

 

 

Luring the larger clan community back in is, as has probably been touched on slightly, a double-edged sword. If you want an extremely active forum, that's the perfect way to go. But it also means that 90% of the topics are going to be titled "This is why the clan community is dying..." or "What do you think about NH?!". Don't expect a lot of Great discussion.

 

 

 

The big-league clan community is basically a continuous post-war Europe racked with problems bred from its own mass and nationalism. It regards itself as the entire world. While it is true that almost all of the world is influenced by them, they so easily forget that they are a minority; the loudest and most famous minority, but nonetheless only a fraction of the actual world.

 

 

 

Yes, I am getting to a point. My point is that if you want clans like DI and Adelais regularly posting on Tip.it again, you're going to have to accept the fact that it will smell incredibly bad, as it had before. I could go into a rant about all the different reasons the community's feel would plummet, but I think we get the idea. On the other hand, the traffic would soar back to what it was before.

 

 

 

For all these purposes, the current CTET and staff is almost the perfect way to ward off larger clans. If you want to lure back large clans you need staff-members who know that world first hand and, while operating at a satisfactory level of maturity, are actually savvy with those politics. Also, for these purposes CTET would be useless because almost all large clans basically pk-endlessly, going into 10 hour pk run ins. If you set up clan-based costume parties or creative new ways to have low-metal wars, I don't care how fun it would be or how tailor-made it would be for clans, I couldn't see most of the larger clans giving a crap.

 

 

 

The real question to start off with is what we actually want from TIF right now. If you want to be able to bring back the large clans and yet keep a laid-back atmosphere, you either have no idea what you're trying to undertake, or you are Jesus Christ. My guess is the former.

 

 

 

I've sort of been from the outside looking in at the major clan community for years, and I don't think anyone could successfully argue that I am in any way inexperienced with this sort of thing. However, I've grown a strong distaste for it, as you might be able to deduce from this post, and although I would prefer an active and influential base that can still allow laid-back community clans some significance, as well as relaxed and yet large and organized clan events, I have long-since realized that this is a utopia.

 

 

 

Thus, I ask what our mission-statement is, not for CTET but for the Tip.it CD as a whole.

[armybuilder]

should be a healthy mix of people from small clans, but also people from the top 5/10 clans. quote]

 

 

 

Bufoman is only from a small clan and i know that because i am in it.

 

 

 

Also going ack to the ctet staff there is three new ones so give them a chance to make ctet change

 

 

 

Nighthawk980 i know for a fact will try to change it as much as he can in his power.

 

 

 

As for event wise. SO far there has be no repeats of the same event so on that basis its going really well.

 

 

 

I think the system needs to be redone though or at least some new way of finding what the events are. I.E maybe a poll to find what would be best for next weel out of a possible two ideas with the idea not chosen going into the poll the following week until chosen.

 

 

 

Your armybuilder1

[hellbellz]

I'd first like to say I just joined CTET during this time of.. lets say problems. I havn't started this stuff, but I'll intervein since I'm now part of CTET and will try to make CTET fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The very first thing I'd like to suggest is a large meeting. The lot of CTET should be there, as well as the Clan Leaders with their entourage. This means that (in my case) I'd bring myself and my officers (all 4 of them).

 

The goal of this meeting would be to have CTET hear what clans would like to see, and more-over what CTET requires from the clans to make this thing a success. We ARE willing to help, but there are limits to our cooperation :)

 

Well from what I've seen so far our leaders have tried to get all of the CTET members into meetings. Not many come or post on the topic so not a lot of people come to the meeting. It's pointless to ask for a meeting if no one is coming. We should really crack down on that.

 

 

 

 

 

Some topics of conversation would be the time of the events (not everyone can make 8pm GMT), the type of events, and anything else that people can come up with.

We try to make all events possible to come to at any timezone. (Other than Australlian times, but you get my drift)

 

 

 

 

 

Another thing I'd like to point out is the clans that sign up to participate in an event, that pull out hours or mere minutes before the start. I know I did this myself once, but we couldnt comply witht he rules at the time.

 

 

 

For this I suggest an entry fee for clans (fixed ammount per member for total clan size), as well as a rule where they have to cancel atleast 24 hours in advance, or their fee gets put in the CTET funds. This should ensure the participation to some extend of the clans, and CTET can then plan accordingly.

I think that sounds a really great idea. I love it. You're totally correct, a clan shouldn't say they're signing up if they won't attend.

 

 

 

 

 

It comes down to organization as well. Some of the CTET people are more skilled with this then others, especially with aspects like conveying what the goal of an event is, troubleshooting, and general flexibility.

 

 

 

Just browse the ctet boards and you can see where things tend to go wrong. This could use some improvement.

 

You're correct. Ogranization isn't too great in CTET. In my honost opinion, Luker2d2 should be more professional and other members for that sake, to be more professional. We can't have people who act like fools when they're hosting an event. We should have more CTET members come to events - not many come if they're not hosting an event.

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I'd also like to take this opportunity to STRONGLY REQUEST to have the CTET events moved back 1 hour (21:00 GMT). Its much more convinient for both Central Europe (22:00) and Australia (7:00).

 

 

 

In my opnion, I think 1 hour won't hurt us, and if it helps people in those times; hell why not. :)

 

 

 

I just posted all that I know. I havn't seen too much action in CTET so I'm not posting things I don't know.

[Deiophobus]

I think the conclave is a great idea. Although every time I hear that word, I think about the process used to select the pope.

 

 

 

 

 

I doubt I have the highest con in CTET, but I would be willing to offer my house for the conclave. I could re-design some rooms just for it.