What makes school the "right thing"?

[malo2]

kill_thomas, you're making me laugh hard :lol:

[Kilo]

Dude your a phycho.

 

 

 

"Just because you need televisions or computers to have fun, doesn't mean we all do. And if 8 of 10 children die in birth, oh well. Why not let nature takes it's course?"

 

 

 

Let nature run its course? Are you a socialist or commi? Your newborn baby is dying in the hospital, the doctor walks up to you and asks if they can administer a drug that will save the childs life. You reply "No, let nature run its course, I'm sure it will learn to fish like me and get over the disease." -.-

 

 

 

I myself have thought of your scenario, live on a desert island off the land, but the fact is it would Never work. Instead of going forward lets go backwards? That doesn't make sense, I don't understand why your trying to defend an idea that is wrong. :-s

[trapical]

Thomas, you actually have some pretty good points. I agree with you, a simple life is more happy than a complex one. Problem is, now days you can't do that. The only "Caribbean islands" you describe are already inhabited and overpopulated. But in all honesty, if I could choose where and when to live, I would say be a Mayan living before the Europeans arrived. They lived off the land like you describe, and they were happy doing so. But yea, in today's world what you describe does not exist anymore.

 

 

 

Oh and just to correct you for a second, antibiotics breed bacteria that are resistant to... antibiotics. Never in history have humans made a bacteria stronger by using medicine. The bacteria that are totally immune to any medicine are killed just as easily by the immune system as regular bacteria

[warri0r45]

Thomas, you actually have some pretty good points. I agree with you, a simple life is more happy than a complex one. Problem is, now days you can't do that. The only "Caribbean islands" you describe are already inhabited and overpopulated. But in all honesty, if I could choose where and when to live, I would say be a Mayan living before the Europeans arrived. They lived off the land like you describe, and they were happy doing so. But yea, in today's world what you describe does not exist anymore.

 

 

 

Oh and just to correct you for a second, antibiotics breed bacteria that are resistant to... antibiotics. Never in history have humans made a bacteria stronger by using medicine. The bacteria that are totally immune to any medicine are killed just as easily by the immune system as regular bacteria

 

 

 

Didn't they sacrafice people to thier sun gods etc? Or was that the Aztecs? :ohnoes:

[trapical]

Thomas, you actually have some pretty good points. I agree with you, a simple life is more happy than a complex one. Problem is, now days you can't do that. The only "Caribbean islands" you describe are already inhabited and overpopulated. But in all honesty, if I could choose where and when to live, I would say be a Mayan living before the Europeans arrived. They lived off the land like you describe, and they were happy doing so. But yea, in today's world what you describe does not exist anymore.

 

 

 

Oh and just to correct you for a second, antibiotics breed bacteria that are resistant to... antibiotics. Never in history have humans made a bacteria stronger by using medicine. The bacteria that are totally immune to any medicine are killed just as easily by the immune system as regular bacteria

 

 

 

Didn't they sacrafice people to thier sun gods etc? Or was that the Aztecs? :ohnoes:

 

Aztecs mainly, but they add did to an extet. They only did that to the people from the neighboring tribes that refused to be in their empire though. I would be in the empire, living on the outskirts. Since your in the empire no one will attack you, and you can head to the city if you ever want to trade.

[Sir_Alex85]

Didn't they sacrafice people to thier sun gods etc? Or was that the Aztecs? :ohnoes:

 

 

 

That was me!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Flametrooper]

School (and society) have their flaws, but in today's world there's really no alternative to them. You can fantasize about if it were different, but unless you can revolutionize the world and restart it from the ground up, fantasizing is all you can do.

 

Specifically on the topic of school, I think that school is pointless, but education is invaluable. American public schooling is [developmentally delayed]ed. I learn a lot from books, Internet, observation of the real world, and from friends and parents; more so than school.

[trapical]

School (and society) have their flaws, but in today's world there's really no alternative to them. You can fantasize about if it were different, but unless you can revolutionize the world and restart it from the ground up, fantasizing is all you can do.

 

Specifically on the topic of school, I think that school is pointless, but education is invaluable. American public schooling is [developmentally delayed]. I learn a lot from books, Internet, observation of the real world, and from friends and parents; more so than school.

 

You have to start somewhere though. American universities are completely opposite from the basic education system. It's actually quite funny. American high schools rank at the very bottom in world rankings. American Universities are at the top of the charts :-s

 

 

 

But yea, you learn an unbelievable large amount of knowledge in your major is a very short time when you are at college. And you can't get to college without a basic groundwork of a school.

[yomom1919]

You have to start somewhere though. American universities are completely opposite from the basic education system. It's actually quite funny. American high schools rank at the very bottom in world rankings. American Universities are at the top of the charts :-s

 

 

 

 

Because we are strong capitalists, and because we enjoy learning something if we like the subject [dont capt obvious me for the second part :P]. In American highschool there is no clear or ultimate goal except for math......history......science.........language....... its basically a boring compilation of everything they can cram into your heads to make you less ignorant. In college there is a goal, you pick your courses, you study what you like, you make money off that [or not, in some cases]. Highschool isnt necessairly fun except for the 'hanging out' part, and chances are you wont make money directly off learning high school english, or math, or spanish, or history. I'm aware that many people do and there are job oppurtunities in these fields, but except for teachers in the subject, there arent many moneymakers in highschool courses.

[Rebdragon]

I don't know about you guys, but I learn a landmine of stuff at my school o_O.

 

 

 

The Jesuits always have been good when it comes to education I guess :-k . But still, no matter where you go, you guys must be learning plenty of valuable information. Even if our schools, as trapical states, are some of the worst in the world o_O.

[Kill_Thomas9]

School (and society) have their flaws, but in today's world there's really no alternative to them. You can fantasize about if it were different, but unless you can revolutionize the world and restart it from the ground up, fantasizing is all you can do.

 

Specifically on the topic of school, I think that school is pointless, but education is invaluable. American public schooling is [developmentally delayed]. I learn a lot from books, Internet, observation of the real world, and from friends and parents; more so than school.

 

 

 

You mean you dont have a button on your computer that launches nukes and kill all human life???

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, the only thing school is good for, is making sure that you learn the stuff. Even if it is slower learning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude your a phycho.

 

 

 

"Just because you need televisions or computers to have fun, doesn't mean we all do. And if 8 of 10 children die in birth, oh well. Why not let nature takes it's course?"

 

 

 

Let nature run its course? Are you a socialist or commi? Your newborn baby is dying in the hospital, the doctor walks up to you and asks if they can administer a drug that will save the childs life. You reply "No, let nature run its course, I'm sure it will learn to fish like me and get over the disease." -.-

 

 

 

I myself have thought of your scenario, live on a desert island off the land, but the fact is it would Never work. Instead of going forward lets go backwards? That doesn't make sense, I don't understand why your trying to defend an idea that is wrong. :-s

 

 

 

You aren't underastanding what I am saying about the children dieing. I was saying that if my children died during child birth, oh well. Peolpe die. BUT if I was in a hospital, and my children were going to die, and a doctor had a lifesaving drug, of course I would take it. But unfortunatly doctors dont live on tropical islands in holes under child-saving-drug-trees.

 

 

 

 

 

Thomas, you actually have some pretty good points. I agree with you, a simple life is more happy than a complex one. Problem is, now days you can't do that. The only "Caribbean islands" you describe are already inhabited and overpopulated. But in all honesty, if I could choose where and when to live, I would say be a Mayan living before the Europeans arrived. They lived off the land like you describe, and they were happy doing so. But yea, in today's world what you describe does not exist anymore.

 

 

 

Oh and just to correct you for a second, antibiotics breed bacteria that are resistant to... antibiotics. Never in history have humans made a bacteria stronger by using medicine. The bacteria that are totally immune to any medicine are killed just as easily by the immune system as regular bacteria

 

 

 

Thanks you. And I totally agree with you. If you wanted to just move to one of those islands today, it wouldn't work because of todays current society. But it everybody lived how I was describing, (and those places weren't over populated), it would work. And thanks for correcting me on the bacteria thing. Small mistake on my part.

[BlueTear]

Thanks you. And I totally agree with you. If you wanted to just move to one of those islands today, it wouldn't work because of todays current society. But it everybody lived how I was describing, (and those places weren't over populated), it would work. And thanks for correcting me on the bacteria thing. Small mistake on my part.

 

 

 

So, has humanity ever lived under such ideal and nice conditions?

[Satenza]

Thanks you. And I totally agree with you. If you wanted to just move to one of those islands today, it wouldn't work because of todays current society. But it everybody lived how I was describing, (and those places weren't over populated), it would work. And thanks for correcting me on the bacteria thing. Small mistake on my part.

 

 

 

So, has humanity ever lived under such ideal and nice conditions?

 

 

 

This is a thought experiment called the state of nature used by some philosophers (such as Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes) to justify the existance of the state as it is.

 

 

 

Realistically this would never work. At the start it maybe the greatest form of liberty you could desire. Then people start wanting to interfere in your liberty. When that happens there is a need for a state to limit that interferance and punish those who go to far. As Hobbes said life in the state of nature would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short".

 

 

 

Your idea is (like communism) based on utopia, therefore set to fail.

[Bloodstain]

I think we should learn VALUABLE things in school up to grade 12 (like how to pay taxes, the things involved in buying a house/car, etc) and after that if you want to become something that requires university, then instead of university it turns in to apprenticeship. Learn what to do from someone who does it, plus university costs are outrageous these days

[warren211]

money doesn't make you happy. but there are things that money can get that does make you happy. without an education, you'd be living somewhere on the streets of a busy city, living off spare change. with money, you can live in a decent hosue, start a happy family, and afford food.

 

 

 

 

 

Besides, money buys food and shelter and clothes. Food and shelter make you happy, and clothes do too (but Bubsa thinks otherwise... *cough*London Marathon *cough*)