GrimHams Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 After spending some time killing green dragons lately i've been pondering ways to get rid of macros from our game once and for all, the most logical way would be to have jagex mods standing around places banning suspicious looking people. This, of course is unpractical, so i propose to you, the honest member of runescape to install an "anti macro" team or unit if you will. There are many types of macros in runescape, but the ones i think this "macro gestapo" team would be effective against would be the ones in the wild killing green dragons for hides and bones. Of course reporting these obvious rule breakers is the way to get rid of them now but we all know jagex have to trawl through useless reports and often miss these. If my idea was used here are what the team would have in their arsenal: The ability to temp ban people for 3 hours, this, twinned with jagex customer support would check the bans and judge whether the offender was a macroer or an innocent player. The main flaw in this is the question "how do i know this is an autoer?", well deary, i have made a test: How to spot the autoer. If you think the subjects on the left and right of the shot are autoers/gold farmers then you'll be correct. How did i come to this conclusion? I'm not politically correct but it seems obvious to me that a vast majority of people killing green dragons in the wild with chinese sounding names, bald heads and the same 3 items (rune chain, legs and weapon) are autoers. Another way to detect the autoer is where they stand, i've been using the green dragons above the graveyard and most autoers stand in a similar spot. (below) which means they dont have to move or attack as the green dragons will be aggressive. The gold farmer is another kettle of fish and one i will address later. - Problems and a way to solve them. - I'm not saying all chinese sounding names with the same 3 items are autoers or gold farmers but anyone who isn't trying to be ridiculously PC would agree that if a member of this group temp bans 20 autoers at least 18 will be autoers. This would be a massive increase of these pests getting banned and would benefit the community immensely. I cannot stress the need for common sense if this were to be implimented, if someone does not fit the description above but look obviously like they are autoer, or are a gold farmer then the report button would be the best way to go. Power hungry people with the ability to temp ban: First of all i think this privilidge should only be given to people who have been playing runescape for a good amount of time, they must be active in killing green dragons because unlike mods, they need to be somewhere most of the time. (not all the time, no one kills green dragons all day, apart from autoers). Members of the "unit" would also only have the ability to temp ban 4 people an hour (a rough guess) to avoid abusing the system, and anyone who is caught abusing the temp ban ability would be banned from the game itself. Notes. The gold farmer. When i look at someone i'd not be able to tell if they're gold farming, the outfit and name could be a giveaway but considering there is someone at that computer they aren't breaking rules by killing dragons, and the real world item trading is another matter and not one i'm trying to solve with this. I don't think this is full-proof, many people will believe that this is a a brutal way of stopping autoers, but as a person who wants runescape back i think its worth it, if a few innocent people get banned its worth it in the long run, all we do in this purge of autoers is for the game we enjoy to play and it would be, in the end up to the jagex customer support to ban or leave the players playing. Mods. Jagex mods do not have the time or resources ingame to combat autoers well so this idea is one worth thinking about. Player moderators serve a small purpose and upgrading some of these to this new rank would be an idea, having said this i dont want this, if used to turn out the way player mods are, where they don't have to help people or do their job so they rarely do. The amount of people getting this rank would also be small, a select few would get the right because its a big undertaking. And one you would have to be active to do properly. Final thoughts. If this idea was used, it could be extended to other places autoers are thriving, popular woodcutting spots, other dragon enclosures and fishing spots. The same rules would apply and this would bring the message to the game that jagex, and the players want these aliens out of our game. This idea would be a large undertaking by jagex and the players they'd pick, it would be an example of jagex trusting their loyal players in cleaning runescape up for them and would install a sense of power that everyone can have in believing that they can make a difference by pointing out autoers to nearby "unit" members, because the report abuse button certainly isn't enough. If you've read this i congratulate you, you're already closer to improving runescape before the autoers win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prankster_King Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Calling it "gestapo" can be very offensive to certain people.. :? [bleep], my parrot has better grammar than you.{Author of Tip.It Times article}{Founder of the F2P Bankspace Campaign}{Interviewed for the Gielinor Tribune}{F2P Bankspace was ACHIEVED!} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_auron11 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 ^ Also there would be alot of power abusing and for instance if someone decided to quit theyd go and temp bann everyone they could if they were stupid. Don't think i can see this working but good suggestion. For the green drag autoers just get a massive pk squad to clear out the worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimHams Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 Calling it "gestapo" can be very offensive to certain people.. :? It just means secret police, its only being used as a reference to normal people having a position of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutycalls5609 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 This is one of the best suggestions I have ever seen. Support 1005 and let's hope it gets seen by TB@JT! If you believe you came from monkeys, you probably did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Suh-por-ted. This is one of the best anti-autoer suggestions I have ever seen. =D> Select_a_use, you deserve a cookie. :) ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowbld Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Suh-por-ted. This is one of the best anti-autoer suggestions I have ever seen. =D> Select_a_use, you deserve a cookie. :) make that 2 nice this idea is Genius But seriously, I will kill you allI am back for realz this time I promise now that I am a member :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimHams Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 Thanks a lot for the support, i don't know if i'll bother with a list but its nice to know my idea is agreed to by somebody. :lol: If anyone disagrees or sees flaws in this i'll be happy to change/debate them, no theories are perfect so criticism would be welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ximigda Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 support!.I hate autoers they ruin the game :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_way2go Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Don't use the name gestapo... this isn't a german "secret state police" - Back to casual f2p scaping due to limited time (university and girlfriend ) - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimHams Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 Don't use the name gestapo... this isn't a german "secret state police" I'm not directly relating to the actual gestapo, but the principle of having a few people in a position of power within a society (runescape) who are told about "enemies" of the state (autoers) could use that word validly. Its not like the word "gestapo" even needs to be used, it would be exactly the same with "anti macro" so if you want to comment against my idea at least have a reasonable reason instead of just stating one word you don't like the look of. I bet you didnt even read the post, just saw the title and posted. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decebal Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 but as a person who wants runescape back i think its worth it, if a few innocent people get banned its worth it in the long run Read "Alex Rider- Eagle Strike" and you know who you sound like there... But other than that, support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anim7 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 but as a person who wants runescape back i think its worth it, if a few innocent people get banned its worth it in the long run oh ya...a few innocent people get banned. thats no big deal right? :wall: i mean what kind of sick logic is that? i would rather have a hundred criminals outside than have one innocent person in jail. p.s. when you said "banned" did you mean the three hour bans or the perm bans? because if it was a three hour thing then i take back what i said 100% F2P85 Mining achieved on Dec 4, 200785 Smithing achieved on May 28, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimHams Posted August 27, 2007 Author Share Posted August 27, 2007 but as a person who wants runescape back i think its worth it, if a few innocent people get banned its worth it in the long run oh ya...a few innocent people get banned. thats no big deal right? :wall: i mean what kind of sick logic is that? i would rather have a hundred criminals outside than have one innocent person in jail. p.s. when you said "banned" did you mean the three hour bans or the perm bans? because if it was a three hour thing then i take back what i said I referred to both. i would rather have a hundred criminals outside than have one innocent person in jail. I wouldn't agree with that logic :wink: I'm just taking into consideration jagex's customer support, using this idea would mean more autoers would be getting caught, i cant get rid of human error so obviously a few more honest players would get banned if this happens, i think its worth a few people to get runescape rid of autoers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpiona Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 No, no, and no: for obvious reasons. Jagex will never implement player-appointed bans, no matter how you twist the method. That's why even player mods are only allowed to REPORT people, Jagex still wants to be in control of bans simply because they don't want the potential for abuse that would flourish if this was implemented. Besides, this wouldn't actually change anything in the long run: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=684256 Nice try, though. Ex-cheater. Web designer, PHP programmer, security analyst, and occasional goat milker. ESCAPE WINDOWS! Dedicated poweruser of Ubuntu Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam42705 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 An even simpler solution would be to deploy macroers to ban macroers. Now, this would be created on Jagex's part, and they would not count to the 2000 player limit on worlds. What these macroers ought to do is be "characters" that are invisible- no normal client can see them, yet they occupy a vicinity of all major training and macroing areas. When a player meets certain criteria (which are never released), the account is automatically logged off, and issued a temporary ban. Pending on either review by customer service, or if the conditions met exceed the specifications for an autoer, a permanent ban is issued. However, the character is still able to log in, but with a catch, they automatically get teleported to an alternate dimension that is completely isolated from the RS world. The character continues to play the game, however, a file is downloaded to the user's computer (masked as a system file), that disables logins from that computer. The character that was teleported continiues to play, although gameplay becomes corrupted over time, and within the course of a few hours, the coruption is too severe for gameplay, and the person is immediately logged off due to "lag," never able to play again. This would effectively terminate most autoers, without creating much strain on the servers... i mean wth no1 cares about that weak noob that was scared of the great almighty lord ZAROS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpiona Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 An even simpler solution would be to deploy macroers to ban macroers. Now, this would be created on Jagex's part, and they would not count to the 2000 player limit on worlds. What these macroers ought to do is be "characters" that are invisible- no normal client can see them, yet they occupy a vicinity of all major training and macroing areas. When a player meets certain criteria (which are never released), the account is automatically logged off, and issued a temporary ban. Pending on either review by customer service, or if the conditions met exceed the specifications for an autoer, a permanent ban is issued. However, the character is still able to log in, but with a catch, they automatically get teleported to an alternate dimension that is completely isolated from the RS world. The character continues to play the game, however, a file is downloaded to the user's computer (masked as a system file), that disables logins from that computer. The character that was teleported continiues to play, although gameplay becomes corrupted over time, and within the course of a few hours, the coruption is too severe for gameplay, and the person is immediately logged off due to "lag," never able to play again. This would effectively terminate most autoers, without creating much strain on the servers... I actually like this suggestion -- it still wouldn't do anything, really, but I just like the idea. The idea of "need a thief to catch a thief" is a good one, and if Jagex started employing ex-cheaters, especially if they were invisible (similar to the GMs in some MMORPGS), it would be a great help to removing macroers. The idea of teleporting marked players into what is essentially a private server is also an excellent idea, but the last part, about corrupting the user's gameplay? Ridiculous and a waste of time: just banning the account would be simpler. Ex-cheater. Web designer, PHP programmer, security analyst, and occasional goat milker. ESCAPE WINDOWS! Dedicated poweruser of Ubuntu Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam42705 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 In my opinion, the corrupting part was put in there to help occupy the autoers... that way they wouldn't exactly know that they were banned, but eventually, they would catch on. I understand where you're getting at with the waste of time, but that is the point- the more time you waste on the autoer's part, the less goods enter the economy. All it would do is keep them occupied for another hour, so they are pretty much stalling the autoers from logging in to another account. Dunno if that would be effective though... i mean wth no1 cares about that weak noob that was scared of the great almighty lord ZAROS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 An even simpler solution would be to deploy macroers to ban macroers. Now, this would be created on Jagex's part, and they would not count to the 2000 player limit on worlds. What these macroers ought to do is be "characters" that are invisible- no normal client can see them, yet they occupy a vicinity of all major training and macroing areas. When a player meets certain criteria (which are never released), the account is automatically logged off, and issued a temporary ban. Pending on either review by customer service, or if the conditions met exceed the specifications for an autoer, a permanent ban is issued. However, the character is still able to log in, but with a catch, they automatically get teleported to an alternate dimension that is completely isolated from the RS world. The character continues to play the game, however, a file is downloaded to the user's computer (masked as a system file), that disables logins from that computer. The character that was teleported continiues to play, although gameplay becomes corrupted over time, and within the course of a few hours, the coruption is too severe for gameplay, and the person is immediately logged off due to "lag," never able to play again. This would effectively terminate most autoers, without creating much strain on the servers... Generally autoers do not log back in after being logged out, and the 'file download' you are referring to is effectively a virus. Which, I believe, may have legal implications... unless all RS users have to agree to it. It could be like a gun pointed to your head: If you don't do anything wrong, it won't affect you, however you know it's there. However, do the wrong thing and pop. Would it work? ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimHams Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 No, no, and no: for obvious reasons. Jagex will never implement player-appointed bans, no matter how you twist the method. That's why even player mods are only allowed to REPORT people, Jagex still wants to be in control of bans simply because they don't want the potential for abuse that would flourish if this was implemented. Besides, this wouldn't actually change anything in the long run: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=684256 Nice try, though. I don't actually expect jagex to impliment this, its more of a "if i were in charge this is what i'd do". This idea is really based on assuming jagex would trust a select few with the ability to temp ban, i dont see it happening because jagex don't trust anyone. Having said this i just read your thread and yours is about as unpractical as jagex giving us the power to perm ban anyone. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyGangsta Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Calling it "gestapo" can be very offensive to certain people.. :? It just means secret police, its only being used as a reference to normal people having a position of power. It may only mean secret police, but anyone with an IQ over 50 should know it refers to Hitlers secret police, responsible for thousands of deaths alone. Like the idea though... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimHams Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 Calling it "gestapo" can be very offensive to certain people.. :? It just means secret police, its only being used as a reference to normal people having a position of power. It may only mean secret police, but anyone with an IQ over 50 should know it refers to Hitlers secret police, responsible for thousands of deaths alone. Like the idea though... :D Ugh.. its an expression, i can't believe so many people think using the word gestapo means i want the nazi's to rule an online game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Inc Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I guess it would work. But maybe make the group pull from the pools of Mods and J-Mods. I don't think I would want to trust any normal player with that kind of power. I can just imagine the following scenario: "hey man u have dharocks on but i liek guthan beter then dharocks" "yea well stfu no one cares say 1 more word and ill temp ban u noob" :uhh: Just my idea. I have all the 99s, and have been playing since 2001. Comped 4/30/15 My Araxxi Kills: 459::Araxxi Drops(KC):Araxxi Hilts: 4x Eye (14/126/149/459), Web - (100) Fang (193) Araxxi Legs Completed: 5 ---Top (69/206/234/292/361), Middle (163/176/278/343/395), Bottom (135/256/350/359/397)Boss Pets: Supreme - 848 KCIf you play Xbox One - Add me! GT: Urtehnoes - Currently on a Destiny binge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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