McLaren got pwned.

[ktmcf121]

Well, the verdict is in, and basically Mclaren got excluded from the constructor's championship for 2 years and fined $100 million, but Alonso and Hamilton can still get their points in the driver's championship.

 

 

 

What do you think of this? Personally I would have Excluded Mclaren from both the driver's and constructor's championships for only one year, or at the very least, docked some points from their drivers. The fine was probably even less than the value of the information that was transferred illegally.

 

 

 

Some people might think this is harsh, all they did was get some information from a former Ferrari mechanic, but this was a 700+ page document detailing techincal data on the Ferrari, and I'm sure there were people who have worked nearly their whole careers testing and working to obtain that data, and to have it stolen without any reimbursement is a huge violation.

 

 

 

Here's a link to the article, incase you don't know what I'm talking about.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I had every suspicion they would heavily dock McLaren because F1 in particular is so keen to stamp out any corruption in the game, especially since F1 is a multi-billion dollar industry. That fine would actually have bankrupted any team other than McLaren or Ferrari, which kinda gives an impression of its scale.

 

 

 

I had no suspicion however that they were going to punish this gold little British new driver. Can you imagine what the tabloids would make of it?

 

 

 

Indi500 has really taken off, at F1's expense mostly. With Hamilton they're finall starting to get fans back into the game. Why would they wanna lose that when they have a rivel competition that's growing - fast?

 

 

 

TBH, this punishment is a punishment all teams should follow. If there are any corrupt deals, punish the teams heavily. that's the only way they'll ever learn. Same goes for sports like football, where diving is seen almost as acceptable. It's cheating - it needs to be stamped out.

[Gamerr]

To be honest, F1 isn't fun. It should be like ChampCar if my information is right. Make sure every team has the same amount of money and then we would see a lot more exciting races.

 

 

 

I'm a little dissapointed in the FIA, because if it's really true Alonso & Hamilton knew what the settings were of Massa & Raikk̮̦̉̉nen, they should be punished too.

[Achilleus]

LOL @ your title

[OldJoe]

I'm a little dissapointed in the FIA, because if it's really true Alonso & Hamilton knew what the settings were of Massa & Raikk̮̦̉̉nen, they should be punished too.

 

 

 

Yeah, if Alonso and Hamilton had some settings or mods to their cars that came from Ferrari, then i think they should get punished.

 

But then again, if they didn't have a single idea about what was going on.

 

Oh well, dang big fine.

[Mercifull]

So just when people were finally starting to tune into the season and people were excited because Mclaren and Ferrari were so close they go and mess up with a decision like this. Well done, you just lost all your viewers.

[Gamerr]

So just when people were finally starting to tune into the season and people were excited because Mclaren and Ferrari were so close they go and mess up with a decision like this. Well done, you just lost all your viewers.

 

 

 

I will keep watching, just because I like Formula 1. Even when it's boring. But I should watch this weekend on Spa-Francorchamps, because those races are hardly boring.

[____]

Isn't going to stop me watching F1.

 

 

 

And that's a nasty fine, and it could've been a lot worse. I suppose now the question is was this the first time they did it, or the first time they'll get caught

[ktmcf121]

I'm a little dissapointed in the FIA, because if it's really true Alonso & Hamilton knew what the settings were of Massa & Raikk̮̦̉̉nen, they should be punished too.

 

 

 

Yeah, if Alonso and Hamilton had some settings or mods to their cars that came from Ferrari, then i think they should get punished.

 

But then again, if they didn't have a single idea about what was going on.

 

Oh well, dang big fine.

 

 

 

the article claims that they were "granted immunity" from penalty because of information they supplied in the case against McLaren. :shame:

 

 

 

now, if I'm Ron Dennis, do I continue to let them drive for me next year? I don't want people who would sell me out on my team.

 

 

 

as for Hamilton, he's not all the rage he's supposed to be. after the "Alonso-Hamilton issues," Alonso was given the right to withhold his own car settings after practice from Hamilton, and this was when Hamilton's results started suffering. Riding the success of the world champion anyone? I'm not saying he isn't a talented driver, but they're making more out of this than there is.

[Bubsa]

As if they were going to dock points from a young, black driver, bringing fans back to the sport. As if.

 

 

 

The drivers also had nothing to do with the scandal either, despite the emails between the spaniards. I think the punishment is quite just.

[assassin_696]

At least they didn't take the drivers points away, there's still enough drama there for anybody.

[Craiglowery]

Pure Pwnage

[Arkano5]

It was wrong, ferrari are just annoyed because they arnt winning and Hamilton refused they're offer.

 

 

 

So in my opinion there was no need to ban mclaren...

[Bubsa]

At least they didn't take the drivers points away, there's still enough drama there for anybody.

 

That would have completely shot the sport in the foot.

[@Dan3HitU]

It was wrong, ferrari are just annoyed because they arnt winning and Hamilton refused they're offer.

 

 

 

So in my opinion there was no need to ban mclaren...

 

That's basically the be-all and end-all of it. (what the quote says).

 

 

 

Imo (i don't know the full story cos F1 kinda sucks, MotoGp is better) if McLaren didn't pay that former mechanic from Ferarri for the information, then there should have been NO fine or anything.

 

If they paid him, they should have been excluded for all titles/tables this year only.

[assassin_696]

At least they didn't take the drivers points away, there's still enough drama there for anybody.

 

That would have completely shot the sport in the foot.

 

 

 

Just when it was getting good again as well.

[mrmyk]

Good to see Ferarri getting the 1,2 positions today :) They deserve the constructors title. I just hope Hamilton gets the drivers championship over Alonso.

[ktmcf121]

As if they were going to dock points from a young, black driver, bringing fans back to the sport. As if.

 

 

 

The drivers also had nothing to do with the scandal either, despite the emails between the spaniards. I think the punishment is quite just.

 

 

 

not according to this:

 

 

 

However, due to the exceptional circumstances in which the FIA gave the team's drivers an immunity in return for providing evidence, there is no penalty in regards to drivers' points

 

 

 

from what the announcer's were saying on speed today though, it seems that Alonso knew more than Hamilton did. the FIA is going to be keeping an eye on McLaren to make sure they don't punish Alonso, and if they do, there may be more penalties coming their way.

 

 

 

personally though, I dislike Hamilton. Of course, I don't like anyone who comes into a sport, as a rookie, and acts like they own the place. He doesn't respect any of the veteran drivers, and it irritates me.

[Bubsa]

As if they were going to dock points from a young, black driver, bringing fans back to the sport. As if.

 

 

 

The drivers also had nothing to do with the scandal either, despite the emails between the spaniards. I think the punishment is quite just.

 

 

 

not according to this:

 

 

 

However, due to the exceptional circumstances in which the FIA gave the team's drivers an immunity in return for providing evidence, there is no penalty in regards to drivers' points

 

 

 

from what the announcer's were saying on speed today though, it seems that Alonso knew more than Hamilton did. the FIA is going to be keeping an eye on McLaren to make sure they don't punish Alonso, and if they do, there may be more penalties coming their way.

 

 

 

personally though, I dislike Hamilton. Of course, I don't like anyone who comes into a sport, as a rookie, and acts like they own the place. He doesn't respect any of the veteran drivers, and it irritates me.

 

 

 

You're telling me the 3 drivers actively saught out the document? Not by scraping through Ferrari's garage, but asking their chief technician to tell them? Whatever mate.

 

 

 

I have yet to see comments by Hamilton disrespecting any driver as well. From what I've seen, he has the utmost respect, but also the confidence in his own ability. That's the hallmark of a champion, just ask Alonso, Schumi or Hakkinen.

[assassin_696]

Hamilton's a true sportsman, unlike his hot-headed teamate.

[ktmcf121]

You're telling me the 3 drivers actively saught out the document? Not by scraping through Ferrari's garage, but asking their chief technician to tell them? Whatever mate.

 

 

 

I have yet to see comments by Hamilton disrespecting any driver as well. From what I've seen, he has the utmost respect, but also the confidence in his own ability. That's the hallmark of a champion, just ask Alonso, Schumi or Hakkinen.

 

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by your first comment. No, I don't think they "actively saught out the document." but I don't doubt that they had knowledge of it. Most drivers communicate with their engineers, so they will know what to expect from the car, so I'd imagine that if McLaren did make significant changes based on the information that they would notify the drivers to expect something different from the car.

 

 

 

Either way, i'm not sure what we're arguing about. The fact is that the emails from Alonso were enough to convince the WMC that McLaren did, in fact, accept and use the illegally obtained techincal data.

 

 

 

Here is another article detailing the story of Alonso being protected by the FIA for his evidence in the case against McLaren

 

 

 

As for Hamilton, stories like this are the reason he irritates me so much. You would think he could at least tone down his ego long enough to stop criticizing other drivers, when he's still making several rookie mistakes himself each race.

[Bubsa]

As for Hamilton, stories like this are the reason he irritates me so much. You would think he could at least tone down his ego long enough to stop criticizing other drivers, when he's still making several rookie mistakes himself each race.

 

How can you deny that Hamilton's claim isn't true, however, given the recent events? Hamilton has been part of McLaren since he was 8 years old, Alonso has done everything in his power to further his success, including sacrificing his relationship with his new team.

 

 

 

It's almost like a family for Hamilton - so of course he cares more.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Just a point, but isn't this the Drivers Championship? Why shouldAlonso care more about McLaren than he does himself or Hamilton, especially when that team has just sacked him when he threatened to dub them into the police?

 

 

 

IMHO, the issue over whether Hamilton or Alonso purposefully set out to get those documents is irrelevant. The team cheated - the team should be punished. There is no doubting the drivers gained an advantage from this espionage fiasco. So why haven't the drivers been docked points to make this field level again/ Or, come to think of it, why haven't the two of them just been thrown out of the championship since there's no way of knowing they would have won had all this not happened?

[Bubsa]

Just a point, but isn't this the Drivers Championship? Why shouldAlonso care more about McLaren than he does himself or Hamilton, especially when that team has just sacked him when he threatened to dub them into the police?

 

Because it's the team that gets him out there, does his strategy and makes his success possible, with input from the driver, of course. But I think it's pretty obvious that a team with a functioning relationship would succeed more often than not than a team without.

[ktmcf121]

IMHO, the issue over whether Hamilton or Alonso purposefully set out to get those documents is irrelevant. The team cheated - the team should be punished. There is no doubting the drivers gained an advantage from this espionage fiasco. So why haven't the drivers been docked points to make this field level again/ Or, come to think of it, why haven't the two of them just been thrown out of the championship since there's no way of knowing they would have won had all this not happened?

 

 

 

Because the drivers were granted immunity from punishment in return for evidence against the team. I agree with you though, they should definitely have been docked driver points, although maybe not ADDED to the punishment. I think if I had been giving out the penalty, McLaren would have been DOCKED points in both the driver's and constructor's championship in 2007, but excluded from niether. of course the $100m fine is just, if not too low.

 

 

 

I really do think that Ron Dennis is innocent in all this though, he seemed really caught off guard by the whole deal.