Well, recently there's been a lot of moaning about the grim reaper hood that was decided by the community in a gauranteed content poll that was open to all players.

 

 

 

Many people have argued that although this is the 20 something'th hood in the game it's the first hood for Free to Play, if it had just been members who could've voted would the outcome have been any different?

 

 

 

Jagex have said they really only break even with the money the spend and make on F2P servers, so I want the opinion of both paying members and those who are on F2P servers:

 

 

 

Members, do you think it's fair that F2P get to share the events with you despite the fact it's funded by your membership fees, and do you think they should get a say in the content made?

 

 

 

F2P'ers, do you think you deserve the content as well as a say in what it is?

 

 

 

Note: this thread is only for discussing the most recent event and the gauranteed content poll, I don't want to have a flame war erupt over bankspace or whatever, and please respect each others opinions.

F2P is where most members come from, very rarely does someone just take a look at the website and be willing to pay money for it.

 

 

 

I suppose it's simply a breeding ground for new members. So in order to carry out its purpose, f2p must get SOME updates.

Well, what do you think about F2P having a say as to the content.

 

I remember a lot of people saw the introduction of the guaranteed content polls as Jagex making another incentive to become a member, which was why this one seems to strange to me.

Tbh, f2pers are lucky that they get this much of a game for free; they should be happy. But I'm really ticked off, and I imagine that lots of others are too, because so many people wanted the broomstick you could have flown on, but got overrulled by the huge population of kids who shouldn't even be playing, kids who are, mainly, f2p players.

 

 

 

Seperate polls for F2p/p2p, or for level groups like 3-30/31-60/61-90/91-126 would solve the problem, letting the specific groups vote for what they want.

 

 

 

*waiting to get flamed by the few f2pers who I'm NOT talking about in my post...*

 

 

 

 

 

Offtopic: Does anyone else notice how many people show up without reading anything other than the headline of the update? And then they wander around begging for help because they don't know what to do... -.-

 

 

 

Offtopic again: I almost nabbed a rune kite someone dropped at the h'ween event

Get over it.

 

No one has evidence that it was f2p that rocked the vote.

 

I'd like to see statistics before f2p vs p2p gets brought up in a discussion based on the grounds that some people didn't get their way.

ok, im f2p and personally i dont give too wits about these holiday stuff

 

 

 

sure, its cool to have and right now im walking around with the hood and blk mage robes cause it looks cool but seriously, i dont care about it

 

 

 

i support 100% of the p2ps who think f2p shouldnt get updates but i think its kind of unfair that f2p doesnt get ANY updates

 

 

 

im not saying f2p should get an update a week, but right now, im very happy with the holiday stuff

 

 

 

if jagex never gives f2p another update besides the holiday events and MAYBE a rare graphic update (this is done to make runescape look better, not for f2p players) i would be very happy

 

 

 

if they stopped giving us holiday events, sure i would miss it but its not that important because they dont ive bonuses, almost every player in rs have it (unlike when they dropped the [Caution: Jagex Rule Violation]s and bunny ears and not many ppl got it cause not many ppl played then).

I'm disapointed in Jagex for making us vote for the Holiday Event. I think they should of kept it a surprise like all the others.

 

However, I do believe in F2P to get some of the votes that affects them, such as Possible Updates and the Extra Features (FanArt, Development Diaries, etc).

Incidentally, here's the poll results:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The hood beat the broomstick by a mere 63 votes. That really begged for an option to get the hood OR the broomstick... Thanks, guys...

But F2p do pay for the game in ads. Imagine the ~10M f2pers clicking on those adds. Each add is around 10 cents per click making Jagex millions of Dollars a month. So yes they deserve updates because in a way they pay for them.

Tbh, f2pers are lucky that they get this much of a game for free; they should be happy. But I'm really ticked off, and I imagine that lots of others are too, because so many people wanted the broomstick you could have flown on, but got overrulled by the huge population of kids who shouldn't even be playing, kids who are, mainly, f2p players.

 

 

 

Seperate polls for F2p/p2p, or for level groups like 3-30/31-60/61-90/91-126 would solve the problem, letting the specific groups vote for what they want.

 

 

 

*waiting to get flamed by the few f2pers who I'm NOT talking about in my post...*

 

 

 

 

 

Offtopic: Does anyone else notice how many people show up without reading anything other than the headline of the update? And then they wander around begging for help because they don't know what to do... -.-

 

 

 

Offtopic again: I almost nabbed a rune kite someone dropped at the h'ween event

 

 

 

Hey, we "the scum of the earth" didn't have a say in the votes.

 

 

 

And, if your waiting to be flamed, that would be trolling.

 

 

 

I'm disapointed in Jagex for making us vote for the Holiday Event. I think they should of kept it a surprise like all the others.

 

However, I do believe in F2P to get some of the votes that affects them, such as Possible Updates and the Extra Features (FanArt, Development Diaries, etc).

 

 

 

+1

But F2p do pay for the game in ads. Imagine the ~10M f2pers clicking on those adds. Each add is around 10 cents per click making Jagex millions of Dollars a month. So yes they deserve updates because in a way they pay for them.

 

Problem is, who really clicks those ads? I sure as hell won't.

 

The hood beat the broomstick by a mere 63 votes. That really begged for an option to get the hood OR the broomstick... Thanks, guys...

 

 

 

In what way?

 

The only thing it did was prove that the hood was the winner by 63 votes, and votes work in a funny way. It goes like this: Most votes win.

 

You don't get to choose between Al Gore or George Bush no matter how close the vote gets either, and that goes for about everything else.

ok, im f2p and personally i dont give too wits about these holiday stuff

 

 

 

sure, its cool to have and right now im walking around with the hood and blk mage robes cause it looks cool but seriously, i dont care about it

 

 

 

i support 100% of the p2ps who think f2p shouldnt get updates but i think its kind of unfair that f2p doesnt get ANY updates

 

 

 

im not saying f2p should get an update a week, but right now, im very happy with the holiday stuff

 

 

 

if jagex never gives f2p another update besides the holiday events and MAYBE a rare graphic update (this is done to make runescape look better, not for f2p players) i would be very happy

 

 

 

if they stopped giving us holiday events, sure i would miss it but its not that important because they dont ive bonuses, almost every player in rs have it (unlike when they dropped the [Caution: Jagex Rule Violation]s and bunny ears and not many ppl got it cause not many ppl played then).

 

I'm f2p as well, and agree with some of what you said.

 

 

 

It makes sense to release holiday events to both f2p and p2p, because they are designed as a symbol to show how long you have played (as well as a bit of different fun). If a f2p went p2p after a holiday event, they would miss out on the symbol.

 

 

 

What I think there should be, is a p2p aspect to the rewards that you can only get if you are p2p. For example, everyone gets the hood, but p2p can get the broom as well. If you're f2p when you complete the holiday event, you get the p2p part from Diango once you've paid for members. It could be a nice little push for some people to go members.

But F2p do pay for the game in ads. Imagine the ~10M f2pers clicking on those adds. Each add is around 10 cents per click making Jagex millions of Dollars a month. So yes they deserve updates because in a way they pay for them.

 

 

 

Jagex have said they just about break even on F2P, meaning they either make a small amount of money, or lose a little.

f2p does get access to the event, but I think we should be the only ones voting since we are the ones paying. f2p should be glad to get what it gets but don't deserve a say in it.

To put it simple

 

Members should vote

 

F2p should receive

 

 

 

 

 

Members pay money every month, and here JaGeX spends time and recourses building something FOR free players chosen BY free players.

 

 

 

Now saying that seems kinda biased, because its available for members as well. But you have to remember, members already have plenty of hoods (skill capes, ahrims, castle wars, ect) and we are past them in the since that we have gotten past the novelty. Why not take the opportunity to make something new for EVERYONE, and not just the non-paying vocal majority.

 

 

 

Anyway, for people focusing on the idea that F2P needs a hood, If F2P really wanted a hood, they should fork up the $5 a month and earn one, and not give paying members another hood to put in their costume room or let dango hang onto for the next year.

But F2p do pay for the game in ads. Imagine the ~10M f2pers clicking on those adds. Each add is around 10 cents per click making Jagex millions of Dollars a month. So yes they deserve updates because in a way they pay for them.

 

 

 

1 - I doubt 10 million FTP players all play each month

 

2 - I doubt every one of these FTP players clicks an ad

 

3 - Since ad companies expect large clicks, they pay around 1-4 cents per click, at least my ad agency does.

 

Anyway, for people focusing on the idea that F2P needs a hood, If F2P really wanted a hood, they should fork up the $5 a month and earn one, and not give paying members another hood to put in their costume room or let dango hang onto for the next year.

 

 

 

Or p2p could cope with the idea of democracy , and stop wanting to all be pretty little Harry Potters :-w \

 

Anyway, for people focusing on the idea that F2P needs a hood, If F2P really wanted a hood, they should fork up the $5 a month and earn one, and not give paying members another hood to put in their costume room or let dango hang onto for the next year.

 

 

 

Or p2p could cope with the idea of democracy , and stop wanting to all be pretty little Harry Potters :-w \

 

 

 

Sorry, if you are comparing this to a democracy, then it would be as if you are getting funds from the government and not paying taxes.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't even mind the event, its the fact that a bunch of f2pers who just wanted a hood to drop the week after Halloween decided on what could have been a nice new item.

 

 

 

And its not like the hood even matches anything :roll:

 

Anyway, for people focusing on the idea that F2P needs a hood, If F2P really wanted a hood, they should fork up the $5 a month and earn one, and not give paying members another hood to put in their costume room or let dango hang onto for the next year.

 

 

 

Or p2p could cope with the idea of democracy , and stop wanting to all be pretty little Harry Potters :-w \

 

 

 

Sorry, if you are comparing this to a democracy, then it would be as if you are getting funds from the government and not paying taxes.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't even mind the event, its the fact that a bunch of f2pers who just wanted a hood to drop the week after Halloween decided on what could have been a nice new item.

 

 

 

And its not like the hood even matches anything :roll:

 

 

 

Getting funds from the government, in the form of social welfare still entitles you the right to vote, and make your impression on the system.

 

 

 

Your $5 didn't go to win votes, just for your, and any other peoples information who might be in doubt. You don't pay money to win the vote so stop using p2p vs f2p for an angle of discussion.

 

 

 

p.s. I didn't even vote, as I wasn't around the website during the voting period, but I'd like to say it goes very well with my scythe from another holiday event. just as a sidemark to your last comment.

Take some advice from FooK-A-Ji and get over it. There's no sense in arguing over it; the vote's been taken and this is NOT the Presidential elections, where whining about it would make a difference.

 

 

 

Tbh, f2pers are lucky that they get this much of a game for free; they should be happy. But I'm really ticked off, and I imagine that lots of others are too, because so many people wanted the broomstick you could have flown on, but got overrulled by the huge population of kids who shouldn't even be playing, kids who are, mainly, f2p players.

 

 

 

Seperate polls for F2p/p2p, or for level groups like 3-30/31-60/61-90/91-126 would solve the problem, letting the specific groups vote for what they want.

 

 

 

*waiting to get flamed by the few f2pers who I'm NOT talking about in my post...*

 

 

 

1. When you vote, the simple majority wins. If it didn't work that way we'd have so many more problems with elections, jury duty, etc, etc... If you wanted the broomstick, all you could have done was vote for it; if you're complaining that you didn't get your then you don't deserve the holiday updates period. Remember the Christmas drop of 2003? Guess what? Because of players that couldn't accept what happened, there was no drop.

 

 

 

2. You obviously don't understand the mechanics for the polls. It's been said that they can split the results between both freeplay and members already, taking into view both sides. Splitting it into groups based on level would mean absolutely nothing except that level 3s and level 126s know how to cast a vote.

 

 

 

3. Blaming the younger players of RuneScape for your personal grievances doesn't make you any older; just makes you look like a mule.

 

 

 

[by the way, I'm a member.]

 

Anyway, for people focusing on the idea that F2P needs a hood, If F2P really wanted a hood, they should fork up the $5 a month and earn one, and not give paying members another hood to put in their costume room or let dango hang onto for the next year.

 

 

 

Or p2p could cope with the idea of democracy , and stop wanting to all be pretty little Harry Potters :-w \

 

 

 

Sorry, if you are comparing this to a democracy, then it would be as if you are getting funds from the government and not paying taxes.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't even mind the event, its the fact that a bunch of f2pers who just wanted a hood to drop the week after Halloween decided on what could have been a nice new item.

 

 

 

And its not like the hood even matches anything :roll:

 

 

 

Getting funds from the government, in the form of social welfare still entitles you the right to vote, and make your impression on the system.

 

 

 

Your $5 didn't go to win votes, just for your, and any other peoples information who might be in doubt. You don't pay money to win the vote so stop using p2p vs f2p for an angle of discussion.

 

 

 

p.s. I didn't even vote, as I wasn't around the website during the voting period, but I'd like to say it goes very well with my scythe from another holiday event. just as a sidemark to your last comment.

 

 

 

$5? Its more along the lines of 200 dollars of the years I've been playing on members. I'm not saying we should win because we pay, I'm saying we should DECIDE because we pay. Its like asking thousands of hobo's without pants to vote for a politician who is guaranteeing them pants, vs one who is guaranteeing them something they don't have any experience with... say capes.

 

 

 

And by match, I mean color wise, I'm sure plenty of people noticed that the hood goes with a scythe.

No one cares if you used $200 or $5, the point still stands.

 

And you don't get to decide anything, Jagex does.

 

Even WITH the vote they could choose to make mutant apes which attack you with hypodermic needles for halloween instead, and all you can do is bend over.

 

Don't think $5 a month is going to get you anywhere, after all you are merely RENTING your account.

Holiday updates are the only update us non-members have to look forward to. Of course we should be able to vote on it.

No one cares if you used $200 or $5, the point still stands.

 

And you don't get to decide anything, Jagex does.

 

Even WITH the vote they could choose to make mutant apes which attack you with hypodermic needles for halloween instead, and all you can do is bend over.

 

Don't think $5 a month is going to get you anywhere, after all you are merely RENTING your account.

 

 

 

If they let the polls open, then the people who pay for the game, who care enough to give money to the company, should get the say.

 

 

 

I don't even care about the event, I did it as soon as it came out, droped the hood, and had fun with the emote. Im arguing that people who pay for the game should vote, even if it doesn't count. Not people who 'free load' their accounts.