UK population could soar to 90m

[Ginger_Warrior]

Read the BNP's ACTUAL view on immigration then come back to me, probably best in pm because you seem to have your "bnp is racist" blinkers on and will probably ignore any discussion. You made it perfectly clear that you don't care what the BNP's real stance is on anything because you've made up your opinion already judged on the mass media's bias representation.

 

Very well, I'll quote it here:

 

 

 

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!

 

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the 'positive discrimination' schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers', all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

 

Now, those red parts interest me. Nowhere in that statement does it say why you wish to deport them, except for some (unvarified) claim that the British person will be an ethnic minority in Britain in sixty years' time.

 

 

 

Read through that, and tell me how that stance is not clearly aimed at discrimination between the British race, and all other races in this country? Hence, tell me how that is not a racist stance towards the issue?

 

 

 

I'm well aware of what racism actually means. If you have a justified stance on immigration, then fine. However, saying what that statement implies, which is, "Immigration is bad. Why? Because they're not British." is not justified and is, therefore, more often than not racist.

 

 

 

Moreover about the BNP in general, I also quote this, again, from your own party's website:

 

 

 

Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own, as we respect and applaud their measures to organise themselves in like fashion.

 

So, only people of the British race can join the party? I've actually spoken to some members of the BNP, and they tell me that if you even have a drop of foreign blood in your viens, you can't join either (for example, those with Irish decent, even if they were born in the UK), regardless of whether they declare themselves British or not. Now, I don't know if that's true, but even if it isn't, how on Earth can you deem that as not being racist? To create a clear discrimination between one race and another (as that policy does), is blatent racism by its very own definition.

 

 

 

Don't accuse us of having "BNP is racist" blinkers. Did you ever consider we actually can read and think for ourselves, and still believe the BNP is a generally racist party?

[meol]

Time to speak about a little forgotten country nobody knows about: Costa Rica, my homeland. Here, we also have a welfare state (free healthcare and education), and you have access to education and emergency healthcare even if you aren't paying taxes. Most of our economy depends on agriculture (and also on tourism, but that is irrelevant to my point).

 

 

 

This year we are expecting the incoming of 31.500 legal immigrants solely for work on agriculture. Seeing our population is only of about 4 million people, the percentage is equivalent to the UK receiving 470,000 immigrants this year. Even so, the government fears that a large part of the products will be lost due to workforce shortage.

 

 

 

It might be true that they are using our resources and our services, but they are the reason we are able to afford these services.

 

 

 

Now, extrapolate this example to the UK, a first-world country that has enough monetary resources to sustain a military expenditure of more than 30 thousand million pounds.

[GrimHams]

Now, those red parts interest me. Nowhere in that statement does it say why you wish to deport them, except for some (unvarified) claim that the British person will be an ethnic minority in Britain in sixty years' time.

 

 

 

Reasoning to why the BNP doesn't support immigration was not fully elaborated because it wasn't an essay on why the BNP doesn't want immigration. Maybe thats the reason.

 

 

 

Read through that, and tell me how that stance is not clearly aimed at discrimination between the British race, and all other races in this country? Hence, tell me how that is not a racist stance towards the issue?

 

 

 

It is not racist because the BNP thinks that every race deserves a homeland, uncontrolled immigration threatens the essence of what it is to be British, the BNP isn't about hating other races, its about preserving the indigenous people of Britain. If thats racist to you then god help us all. Were we asked whether we wanted mass immigration? No we weren't. I'm not sure where you're coming from because labour/conservatives/lib dems all realise that the native british people don't want to be overrun with foreigners, the only difference with that and the BNP stance is how far do we want to stop immigration. If the "hug a hoody" politicians in government stopped trying to please the foreigners and put us british first then we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of forecasts such as the ones this thread was intended to highlight.

 

 

 

I'm well aware of what racism actually means. If you have a justified stance on immigration, then fine. However, saying what that statement implies, which is, "Immigration is bad. Why? Because they're not British." is not justified and is, therefore, more often than not racist.

 

 

 

viii. Do you believe that blacks or other races are inferior?

 

No, we have never claimed any such thing. We simply believe that the different races are different, just as men and women are different, and as such they cannot be directly compared.

 

 

 

ix. If you believe that the races are different then you are racists.

 

Not at all. The definition of a racist is someone who hates people of other races. We do not hate anybody. Anyone who says the BNP is racist is either misinformed or a liar.

 

 

 

Thats off the BNP london "truth about the BNP" page. If the BNP was still racist, which it was in the past i would not have joined, i think hating an ethnic group is wrong, but wanting Britain to remain ethnically British is right. The culture of Britain is a beautiful thing and mass immigration is killing it, that is my opinion and you're fine to disagree, but accusing me of being racist for that is stupid.

 

 

 

Moreover about the BNP in general, I also quote this, again, from your own party's website:

 

 

 

So, only people of the British race can join the party? I've actually spoken to some members of the BNP, and they tell me that if you even have a drop of foreign blood in your viens, you can't join either (for example, those with Irish decent, even if they were born in the UK), regardless of whether they declare themselves British or not. Now, I don't know if that's true, but even if it isn't, how on Earth can you deem that as not being racist? To create a clear discrimination between one race and another (as that policy does), is blatent racism by its very own definition.

 

 

 

Sorry, i'm just editing here: Would you agree that diversity exists between races? Black people are different to white people, to say that white people and black people are exactly the same would be wrong.

 

 

 

Although it is argued that all humans started in the same boat but white people have adapted in different ways because we are of the west. Britain is part of our culture and immigrants, not their fault personally i may add, are changing it in a way i don't support (it is actually politicans fault). It is the same principle as saying someone who grows up in a scientists environment is different to that of me, we have evolved in different surroundings and therefore are different. That isn't me thinking whites are better, it is seeing cultural and ethnic differences.

 

 

 

xi. Why don't you let blacks and Asians into the BNP?

 

For the same reason the Girl Guides don't allow boys to join. Does that mean they are sexist? Does it mean they hate boys? Of course not, it's just that their aim is to cater for the interests of girls, and similarly the BNP isn't racist, but our purpose is to cater for the interests of the indigenous British population.

 

 

 

The indigenous population of Britain is now the only group which is facing systematic, legalised and institutionalised discrimination, harassment and oppression. That's precisely why the British people need the BNP - because we are the one and only organisation that has their interests at heart. There are hundreds of organisations exclusively for blacks or Asians, but only one organisation for the indigenous population - the BNP. The BNP is more than just a political party: it is a civil rights movement for the indigenous British people.

 

 

 

Don't accuse us of having "BNP is racist" blinkers. Did you ever consider we actually can read and think for ourselves, and still believe the BNP is a generally racist party?

 

 

 

I was by no means accusing all of you of have your bnp is racist blinkers on, i've had interesting discussion with baron8000 (i think thats his full name) and i wouldn't for a second think hes ignorant, but the person who likened the BNP to the nazi party is either misinformed or just wrong. You seemed to have rather selective reading skills because what i just found was on the BNP's website.

[darkmage099]

Now, those red parts interest me. Nowhere in that statement does it say why you wish to deport them, except for some (unvarified) claim that the British person will be an ethnic minority in Britain in sixty years' time.

 

 

 

Reasoning to why the BNP doesn't support immigration was not fully elaborated because it wasn't an essay on why the BNP doesn't want immigration. Maybe thats the reason.

 

 

 

Read through that, and tell me how that stance is not clearly aimed at discrimination between the British race, and all other races in this country? Hence, tell me how that is not a racist stance towards the issue?

 

 

 

It is not racist because the BNP thinks that every race deserves a homeland, uncontrolled immigration threatens the essence of what it is to be British, the BNP isn't about hating other races, its about preserving the indigenous people of Britain. If thats racist to you then god help us all. Were we asked whether we wanted mass immigration? No we weren't. I'm not sure where you're coming from because labour/conservatives/lib dems all realise that the native british people don't want to be overrun with foreigners, the only difference with that and the BNP stance is how far do we want to stop immigration. If the "hug a hoody" politicians in government stopped trying to please the foreigners and put us british first then we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of forecasts such as the ones this thread was intended to highlight.

 

 

 

I'm well aware of what racism actually means. If you have a justified stance on immigration, then fine. However, saying what that statement implies, which is, "Immigration is bad. Why? Because they're not British." is not justified and is, therefore, more often than not racist.

 

 

 

viii. Do you believe that blacks or other races are inferior?

 

No, we have never claimed any such thing. We simply believe that the different races are different, just as men and women are different, and as such they cannot be directly compared.

 

 

 

ix. If you believe that the races are different then you are racists.

 

Not at all. The definition of a racist is someone who hates people of other races. We do not hate anybody. Anyone who says the BNP is racist is either misinformed or a liar.

 

 

 

Thats off the BNP london "truth about the BNP" page. If the BNP was still racist, which it was in the past i would not have joined, i think hating an ethnic group is wrong, but wanting Britain to remain ethnically British is right. The culture of Britain is a beautiful thing and mass immigration is killing it, that is my opinion and you're fine to disagree, but accusing me of being racist for that is stupid.

 

 

 

Moreover about the BNP in general, I also quote this, again, from your own party's website:

 

 

 

So, only people of the British race can join the party? I've actually spoken to some members of the BNP, and they tell me that if you even have a drop of foreign blood in your viens, you can't join either (for example, those with Irish decent, even if they were born in the UK), regardless of whether they declare themselves British or not. Now, I don't know if that's true, but even if it isn't, how on Earth can you deem that as not being racist? To create a clear discrimination between one race and another (as that policy does), is blatent racism by its very own definition.

 

 

 

xi. Why don't you let blacks and Asians into the BNP?

 

For the same reason the Girl Guides don't allow boys to join. Does that mean they are sexist? Does it mean they hate boys? Of course not, it's just that their aim is to cater for the interests of girls, and similarly the BNP isn't racist, but our purpose is to cater for the interests of the indigenous British population.

 

 

 

The indigenous population of Britain is now the only group which is facing systematic, legalised and institutionalised discrimination, harassment and oppression. That's precisely why the British people need the BNP - because we are the one and only organisation that has their interests at heart. There are hundreds of organisations exclusively for blacks or Asians, but only one organisation for the indigenous population - the BNP. The BNP is more than just a political party: it is a civil rights movement for the indigenous British people.

 

 

 

Don't accuse us of having "BNP is racist" blinkers. Did you ever consider we actually can read and think for ourselves, and still believe the BNP is a generally racist party?

 

 

 

I was by no means accusing all of you of have your bnp is racist blinkers on, i've had interesting discussion with baron8000 (i think thats his full name) and i wouldn't for a second think hes ignorant, but the person who likened the BNP to the nazi party is either misinformed or just wrong. You seemed to have rather selective reading skills because what i just found was on the BNP's website.

 

 

 

Still didn't get my source?

[Medellin]

Horrible analogy to compare the UK with Costa Rica. The political, social, and economic make up (as well as status) of these two countries are totally different.

[GrimHams]

darkmage099 that previous post wasn't in response to you, this one is.

 

 

 

: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... aria19.xml

 

 

 

I'm not going to go into a full blown discussion about Islam with you, but 40% is a ridiculously high percentage would you agree? Sharia law is not what (i hope) any of you would agree with being implimented in Britain, and although i understand that there are many muslims who don't want Sharia law i think its beside the point as far as my stance on immigration is concerned.

 

 

 

The BNP has no problem with islam in their native countries because its not our problem or our business what they do as long as it doesn't directly affect us. Its much the same as the war in iraq, i dont think the west has the right to march into eastern countries and try to "westernise" it. I have respect for other cultures and the utmost respect for my own, this is being threatened by immigration so i believe the BNP is the only party that properly addresses my concern.

 

 

 

(By the way i'm off now, if you respond and think im ignoring you or "running away" then send it by pm.)

[darkmage099]

darkmage099 that previous post wasn't in response to you, this one is.

 

 

 

: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... aria19.xml

 

 

 

I'm not going to go into a full blown discussion about Islam with you, but 40% is a ridiculously high percentage would you agree? Sharia law is not what (i hope) any of you would agree with being implimented in Britain, and although i understand that there are many muslims who don't want Sharia law i think its beside the point as far as my stance on immigration is concerned.

 

 

 

The BNP has no problem with islam in their native countries because its not our problem or our business what they do as long as it doesn't directly affect us. Its much the same as the war in iraq, i dont think the west has the right to march into eastern countries and try to "westernise" it. I have respect for other cultures and the utmost respect for my own, this is being threatened by immigration so i believe the BNP is the only party that properly addresses my concern.

 

 

 

(By the way i'm off now, if you respond and think im ignoring you or "running away" then send it by pm.)

 

 

 

The fact that only 500 people were surveyed COMPLETELY invalidates it. Sorry. And if 500 people is a lot to you, I'm sorry to inform you that's no where near the Muslim population of the UK.

 

 

 

 

 

Besides that, you must remember that most of the immigrants (all, not only Muslims) are first generation Muslims. That means they carry some of their old foundations with them and they might not fit into society. You have to consider that when they have children and their children have children, those children are essentially British (maybe with a different religion), but they share the societal beliefs of Britain.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Says it all really. The definition provided by the BNP on their website isn't actually true. Nowhere in the definition of the word 'racism' is the word 'hate' mentioned. It is quite simply the discrimination between one race and another. So according to that definition, yes the BNP is a blatently racist party.

 

 

 

You make it sound like the indigineous population of Britain (which is strange in itself since that would actually be the Celts, not the Anglosaxons) is at threat of being wiped out. You seem to see a threat that we're going to be overrun. I'll bash out a few stats from the UK census. 85% of this country is made up of people who declare themselves "White British". The next ethnic minority are actually White Irish, at 5%. The people you're talking about (Indians, Eastern Europeans) make up <5% of the British population. 85% versus 5% is a threat of being overrun? In your own words, "god help us".

 

 

 

Argue over the rights and wrongs all you like select_a_use, the moment you create a clear discrimination against one race to another, you are being racist.

 

 

 

You're trying to use Darwinism to support your ideology. It's not hard to see therefore why people associate you with the Nazis.

 

 

 

In short, you don't represent the best interests of Britain at all - in reality you represent the White British race, and will never be satisfied as a party until Britain is 100% White British.

[meol]

Horrible analogy to compare the UK with Costa Rica. The political, social, and economic make up (as well as status) of these two countries are totally different.

 

However, the problematic is the same. On one side we have heavy immigration that builds up an important part of the population and uses the services without necessarily paying taxes, and on the other side many right-wingers proposing heavier immigration laws, saying that immigrants are a threat to the country.

 

 

 

My point is: if immigration isn't affecting the economy or the cultural heritage in a small country with a weak economy, but is indispensable for the economical growth, wouldn't the immigration in the UK have even more benefits and less disadvantages?

[Bubsa]

Quite frankly you and your party's views disgust me. I'd much rather a nation full of immigrants and foreigners rather than a nation of people like yourself.

 

 

 

So you'd rather Britain dissapear into an Islamic republic than have people who want to preserve British culture. Ok.

 

 

 

With that train of logic, you'll get into the party in no time!

[BlueTear]

No, we have never claimed any such thing. We simply believe that the different races are different, just as men and women are different, and as such they cannot be directly compared.

On what factual basis?

 

 

 

I sincerely doubt you'll manage to answer that question without slipping straight into the dictionary definition of racism, but go ahead and try.

[Necromagus]

Horrible analogy to compare the UK with Costa Rica. The political, social, and economic make up (as well as status) of these two countries are totally different.

I think the one between the BNP and the girl scouts is even worse, because obviously something an ambiguous and scientifically weak like race is just as good a reason to divide people as a clearly defined thing like gender, where XY/XX are the only options. Not to mention that we're talking about a political party for adults, not an educational activity for children at a very vulnerable point of their upbringing where separating by gender allows them to do activities better suited for them while at the same time providing a safe environment for both groups to be themselves.

 

 

 

Also, you're the one that first used the word 'nazi', therefor invoking Godwinn's law for the second time in just a few days...

[GrimHams]

No, we have never claimed any such thing. We simply believe that the different races are different, just as men and women are different, and as such they cannot be directly compared.

On what factual basis?

 

 

 

I sincerely doubt you'll manage to answer that question without slipping straight into the dictionary definition of racism, but go ahead and try.

 

 

 

I'd just like to say that "slipping into the dictionary definiton of racism" actually trumps your idea that because you think that because i want to preserve white culture i am automatically racist, but i'll look at it another way.

 

 

 

So you're trying to tell me that blacks and whites are exactly the same? Wheres your sense of cultural diversity? i have never said that whites are better than blacks or any other ethnic group, but that we have different values and different traditions, black people stayed in Africa and white people built modern western civilisation, that is a difference. We are from different places so we cannot be compared directly. Black culture and white culture differ would you agree? Therefore we are different, i have no idea why anyone could try to argue that there are no diversity between ethnic groups.

 

 

 

And to the person above your little internet "godwinns law" crap has nothing to do with anything. Being a member of the BNP i can expect people to shout 'fascist" and "nazi" and his response told me that he did think i was a Nazi, he said something like "you are one and the same" or something similar.

[Harrington]

Yup, we're thinking about renaming our country to the United Kingdom of Pakistan, India and Poland ;)

 

 

 

Seriously, I suspect the majority of that 90m will be the result of mass immigration and high birth rates from underprivilaged families.

 

 

 

But what else can you expect? Our entire wellfare system is designed to encourage this, deliberate or otherwise. Young children are encouraged to have a child before they're no longer one themselves with insane benefit offers, free council houses etc... We have virtually no immigration control with a sizable percentage of our revenues being used to "integrate" them into our country. Free healthcare and education regardless of taxes paid, and a ludicrous "justice" system.

 

 

 

That report is pretty accurate so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

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[GrimHams]

Says it all really. The definition provided by the BNP on their website isn't actually true. Nowhere in the definition of the word 'racism' is the word 'hate' mentioned. It is quite simply the discrimination between one race and another. So according to that definition, yes the BNP is a blatently racist party.

 

 

 

You make it sound like the indigineous population of Britain (which is strange in itself since that would actually be the Celts, not the Anglosaxons) is at threat of being wiped out. You seem to see a threat that we're going to be overrun. I'll bash out a few stats from the UK census. 85% of this country is made up of people who declare themselves "White British". The next ethnic minority are actually White Irish, at 5%. The people you're talking about (Indians, Eastern Europeans) make up <5% of the British population. 85% versus 5% is a threat of being overrun? In your own words, "god help us".

 

 

 

Argue over the rights and wrongs all you like select_a_use, the moment you create a clear discrimination against one race to another, you are being racist.

 

 

 

You're trying to use Darwinism to support your ideology. It's not hard to see therefore why people associate you with the Nazis.

 

 

 

In short, you don't represent the best interests of Britain at all - in reality you represent the White British race, and will never be satisfied as a party until Britain is 100% White British.

 

 

 

Refer to my above post to see my opinion on cultural and racial diversity, black people have a culture and a traditional way of life that is different to that of indigenous British people, pointing this out is apparantly racist..

 

 

 

You need to realise that the BNP is looking to the future of Britain, not the quick fix that the current government relies on to keep the British people happy. I could blurt out some BNP propaganda here but i'm not going to, mainly because you're probably some far left communist without a grasp on reality, or the future that could be reality. I can imagine this forum is packed to the rafters with the far left, who shout racist and bigot to anyone beyond the conventional PC politics.

 

 

 

If immigration isn't being addressed i don't trust the current government to do anything about it. The only party who would actually make a difference is the BNP, if you disagree with the politics of the BNP then thats fine, i'm not here to make you agree with me, but openly implying the BNP is racist for looking out for the indigenous people of Britain i think is wrong.

 

 

 

The point of this thread in the first place is that the amount of immigrants is going to rise in the next 60 or so years to the point that there will be 90 million people in Britain, much of these will be immigrants. Labour/conservative's all agree with the latest immigration debate that they realise the strain mass immigration will cause Britain, the only difference is that they think we need a large amount of immigrants and the BNP thinks we don't need them at all.

 

 

 

Thinking that asylum seekers are here because they have nowhere else to go is frankly naive, there are plenty of safe countries for them to go to but they come here because the current government does nothing to stop them. I believe im justified in saying that I want Britain for British people instead of Britain for any immigrant the government is too scared to show away. Statistics don't tell the story as far as saying the government is harsh on immigration because in reality it isn't.

 

 

 

Wanting to stop immigration is not because they're black or any other ethnic group, its about preserving British culture (which i'm forever saying but you notice about 3 words in my entire post) and the kinds of government statistics that back up the idea that mass immigration is detremental for not only Britain's transport systems etc but the cultural diversity of British people as a whole. Take a trip to a part of a city dominated by black people, then tell me that we're exactly the same. Its quite insulting to black people to imply that they are exactly the same as white people, which i'm sure they would agree.

[Mercifull]

Like most right wing BNP supporters you cannot distinguish between economic immigrants, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Hence I cannot even be bothered arguing with you.

[GrimHams]

Like most right wing BNP supporters you cannot distinguish between economic immigrants, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Hence I cannot even be bothered arguing with you.

 

 

 

Asylum seekers have no business being in Britain, there are plenty of perfectly good countries for them to go to in order to get away from a violent and oppressive native country. Why should Britain be the first stop for them? Other countries aren't, its because Britain is a soft touch. Funnily enough i was just listening to Nick Griffin's side of this debate on youtube and someone posted this: Keith Vaz claimed we have "the toughest immigration policy that (he) has ever seen."

 

 

 

Doubtful. Is he not aware of Australia, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Sweden and Canada? All of those countries feature an immigration policy that requires all people seeking asylum to possess a skill that would benefit them. A manual or professional skill. That's a system the UK ought to adopt.

 

 

 

- Even if you don't agree with me that Britain doesn't need immigrants then surely a step in the right direction is to only accept skilled workers, the BNP has stated (i might find if i have time) that they will only accept immigrants that are extremely beneficial to Britain (special cases), otherwise we can work to get our own people back to work instead of getting cheap labour from foreign immigrants. Solving work force problems by getting immigrants to do the jobs saves the big business's money, but this is not in the best interests of the British people.

 

 

 

And finally on illegal immigrants they should be rooted out and exported back to their native country, its not much of a debate.

 

 

 

 

 

Heres an extract from Mr Griffin to people i was previously talking to, its a valid point: Nick Griffin Newsnight 25/5/07 "Racism was a concept invented by Leon Trotsky, a communist mass murderer, to demonise his opponents and stop people talking about certain issues. And that's been taken on by the Labour party and by the BBC and the British people have been cowed, so they feel they can't talk about these things".

[baron8000]

Like most right wing BNP supporters you cannot distinguish between economic immigrants, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Hence I cannot even be bothered arguing with you.

 

 

 

Asylum seekers have no business being in Britain, there are plenty of perfectly good countries for them to go to in order to get away from a violent and oppressive native country.

 

 

 

Don't be daft, if every country adopted this attitude then they wouldn't have anywhere to go - any person who would decline a person safety from torture, rape and death is less than human in my book.

 

 

 

 

- Even if you don't agree with me that Britain doesn't need immigrants then surely a step in the right direction is to only accept skilled workers, the BNP has stated (i might find if i have time) that they will only accept immigrants that are extremely beneficial to Britain (special cases), otherwise we can work to get our own people back to work instead of getting cheap labour from foreign immigrants. Solving work force problems by getting immigrants to do the jobs saves the big business's money, but this is not in the best interests of the British people.

 

 

 

Meh, if you prevent cheap labour coming into this country then all the big companies will do is outsource to foreign countries anyway

 

 

 

 

And finally on illegal immigrants they should be rooted out and exported back to their native country, its not much of a debate.

No problems here, illegal immigrants are bad, fair enough

 

 

 

 

Heres an extract from Mr Griffin to people i was previously talking to, its a valid point: Nick Griffin Newsnight 25/5/07 "Racism was a concept invented by Leon Trotsky, a communist mass murderer, to demonise his opponents and stop people talking about certain issues. And that's been taken on by the Labour party and by the BBC and the British people have been cowed, so they feel they can't talk about these things".

 

 

 

you REALLY need to start backing up your sources - that's a pretty outlandish claim. Either way its an Ad hominem argument and therefore pointless.

 

 

 

For those interested there's a debate at the Oxford Union involving Griffin (as well as his good friend, holocaust denier David Irving) where he will probably get shown up - will report back later.

[l0l0lpur3]

Like most right wing BNP supporters you cannot distinguish between economic immigrants, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Hence I cannot even be bothered arguing with you.

 

 

 

Asylum seekers have no business being in Britain, there are plenty of perfectly good countries for them to go to in order to get away from a violent and oppressive native country.

 

 

 

Don't be daft, if every country adopted this attitude then they wouldn't have anywhere to go - any person who would decline a person safety from torture, rape and death is less than human in my book.

 

 

should just take them all on a boat, sail out to the middle of the ocean then throw them in tbh

[Mercifull]

You mentioned that David Irving is a holocaust denialist but lets not forget that Nick Griffin has also been convicted of "violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred" for posting obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material in an editorial back in 1998.

 

 

 

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[Bubsa]

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅI am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâæI have reached the conclusion that the ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâexterminationÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[BlueLancer]

I could maybe barely understand if people were disputing the numbers of people killed in Auschwitz and other barbaric extermination camps, but how can you really be so idiotic and say "it never happened" when there are thousands of eyewitnesses, tens of thousands of German testimony, high-up nazi generals admitting to it, secret photographs, markings/nazi burnings on the abused jews' skins, etc.?

 

 

 

Or does someone really think all those jews in Germany were "faking" or "paid" to say the events were real as a part of some mysterious "Zionist NWO conspiracy"? :?

[ltb2006]

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅI am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâæI have reached the conclusion that the ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâexterminationÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[BlueTear]

So you're trying to tell me that blacks and whites are exactly the same? Wheres your sense of cultural diversity? i have never said that whites are better than blacks or any other ethnic group, but that we have different values and different traditions, black people stayed in Africa and white people built modern western civilisation, that is a difference.

 

 

 

racÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷ism /ÃÆââ¬Â¹Ãâ¹Ã¢â¬Â reÃÆââ¬Â°ÃâêsÃÆââ¬Â°ÃâêzÃÆââ¬Â°Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãânoun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement,

 

 

 

QED.

[assassin_696]

I'd give a long and considered reply, but i'll be frank and cut to the chase.

 

 

 

The only justification you could possibly have for cutting the UK from potential immigrants is blatant racism. No economic or social argument could support such a policy.

 

 

 

Why on earth do you support them in the first place? I'm genuinely curious.