Is God real post your thoughts!

[mmmcannibalism]

I think david and goliath is considered to be possibly true, just because a lot the bible around that point is basically a history book.

[Lenticular_J]

Could just be distorted through uneducated people, hookah or, well, anything. Maybe it did happen. Who knows. I mean, people were feet shorter back then, and likely were more bulky and broad. A giant could have been a seven-foot guy. But there have been wonderings about whether or not that was really a much more interesting time - there are whole groups doing research on giants, people living for centuries, etc.

 

 

 

I don't know what I'm rambling about anymore.

[Lenticular_J]

What about using religion to justify being a cool guy. That's a WWJD right there.

 

 

 

Good things yes, bad things no?

[Lenticular_J]

Why should personal beliefs not be a reason for something, particularly good things? Your beliefs will come out on every damn thing you do, there's no denying it. Happens to everybody, and that's why there's such a thing as, well, differences. If nobody followed their personal beliefs, hell, I don't even think we'd be here.

[mmmcannibalism]

Well, I really could care less if you believe in God or not, but don't use your religion to justify ANYTHING. Don't kill people because it is God's will.

 

 

 

so doing charity work because "god would want it" would be a bad thing? Maybe it doesnt make you a good person, but I doubt someone is going to complain if the meal you give them isnt 100% holy.

[fastortoise]

Why should personal beliefs not be a reason for something, particularly good things? Your beliefs will come out on every damn thing you do, there's no denying it. Happens to everybody, and that's why there's such a thing as, well, differences. If nobody followed their personal beliefs, hell, I don't even think we'd be here.

 

Personal beliefs.. hahaha

 

You'd be surprised how society controls your choices in just about everything. Nothing is really personal.

[Dizzle229]

Well, I really could care less if you believe in God or not, but don't use your religion to justify ANYTHING. Don't kill people because it is God's will.

 

 

 

Since when is it God's will to kill someone? (I'm talking about Christianity, Judaism, etc, not raving cults with about 11 followers).

 

 

 

Why should personal beliefs not be a reason for something, particularly good things? Your beliefs will come out on every damn thing you do, there's no denying it. Happens to everybody, and that's why there's such a thing as, well, differences. If nobody followed their personal beliefs, hell, I don't even think we'd be here.

 

Personal beliefs.. hahaha

 

You'd be surprised how society controls your choices in just about everything. Nothing is really personal.

 

 

 

Yeeeah maaan, fight the establishment brother! :roll:

[Lenticular_J]

Personal beliefs.. hahaha

 

You'd be surprised how society controls your choices in just about everything. Nothing is really personal.

 

So? Does it matter if you share beliefs with other people? You still differentiate with them on others. Everything's personal, even if nothing is. Going all Zen here.

 

 

 

EDIT: Fixed the quote.

[acowswrath]

I learned that God was "omnipotent" (all-powerful) so therefore, wouldnt he be able to make you do the right thing.

[fastortoise]

Personal beliefs.. hahaha

 

You'd be surprised how society controls your choices in just about everything. Nothing is really personal.

 

So? Does it matter if you share beliefs with other people? You still differentiate with them on others. Everything's personal, even if nothing is. Going all Zen here.

 

 

 

EDIT: Fixed the quote.

 

I'm just saying. Compare religious beliefs with style. Although someone appears to be unique because of his/her sense of fashion, they are only unique relative to the norms established by society. You don't see anyone walking around in oldschool pilot attire because they would be treated like a quack. Same thing goes for "personal" beliefs. Your choices in believing what you like are more constrained than you'd think.

 

 

 

Why should personal beliefs not be a reason for something, particularly good things? Your beliefs will come out on every damn thing you do, there's no denying it. Happens to everybody, and that's why there's such a thing as, well, differences. If nobody followed their personal beliefs, hell, I don't even think we'd be here.

 

Personal beliefs.. hahaha

 

You'd be surprised how society controls your choices in just about everything. Nothing is really personal.

 

 

 

Yeeeah maaan, fight the establishment brother! :roll:

 

Hey, i'm just pointing out the obvious. There's no need to be a smartass

[Madmanpur3]

I learned that God was "omnipotent" (all-powerful) so therefore, wouldnt he be able to make you do the right thing.

God is able, just chooses not to.

[TheDayRsDied]

I think it is truly pathetic that people actually still think that they are being BOLD by criticising religion. They think that they are doing some kind of incredible, cutting-edge thing that has never been done before.

 

 

 

Attacking religion is not fighting any "establishment". That old establishment was destroyed long ago. The status quo is firmly anti-religion.

 

 

 

Repeating a process of slamming religion that has been followed thousands of times by thousands of authors and film producers is not "bold". I don't understand how repeating an opinion in a book that has been written and re-written thousands of times is cutting-edge.

 

 

 

I remember when stating a common opinion and being praised by every newspaper and news channel in the world wasn't considered particulary bold. People like Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins need to have their egos deflated, because there is nothing bold or amazing about what they do. They don't even introduce any new facets or insight to the discussion, like Christopher Hitchens. They challenge nothing. They just do the old "I hate god" routine and wait for the cash and the medals to flow in.

 

 

 

Hopefully I won't get involved in any other political/ religious posts here.

[Madmanpur3]

I learned that God was "omnipotent" (all-powerful) so therefore, wouldnt he be able to make you do the right thing.

God is able, just chooses not to.

 

Then why do we believe he is omnipotent?

 

 

 

This just in, I could kill you all just by saying your names. I just choose not to.

 

 

 

:roll:

Nobody's saying you have to believe God is omnipotent. But for the sake of the discussion, I'll say that the creation of the universe must be evidence enough for those who do believe God is omnipotent.

 

 

 

As for your example, it involves the abilities of a human which we know a lot about. The thing about God is He is, for the most part, a mystery to us. Science tells us that you cannot kill us all by saying our names. Science also tells us that the cause of natural disasters is Nature, meaning it's outside of our control, but some people choose to go further and believe that something (God) is controlling Nature.

 

 

 

Science and Religion do not conflict with each other as much as people think, because the majority of Religion is the believing in things beyond the world of Science.

[mmmcannibalism]

Science and Religion do not conflict with each other as much as people think, because the majority of Religion is the believing in things beyond the world of Science.

 

 

 

agreed, religion doesnt contradict science, but dogma very often does.

[Racheya]

To be honest when I think on it, I never really have believed in God. I don't know if that's because I have atheist parents, but I went to a Church of England primary school for years, had to go to church once a week. It just, never seemed to sink in. I always just assumed that it was wrong. It never made sense - even when I didn't know what evolution was, it just made more sense to me as a kid. A teacher would tell me 'God made adam and eve...' and I could ask 'How?' and they'd just reply, 'Well... he... just did.' Whereas if you ask a teacher 'How did that ape become a human?', they could explain. It's just... more logical.

[Lenticular_J]

Didn't they justify the Crusades by saying it was God's will?

 

That isn't justification any more than Hitler's "justification" for killing Jews. It was manipulation by the upper classes for their own gain.

[Dizzle229]

Didn't they justify the Crusades by saying it was God's will?

 

That isn't justification any more than Hitler's "justification" for killing Jews. It was manipulation by the upper classes for their own gain.

 

It doesn't matter what the real reason was, it's that they are saying it's okay because God says it's okay!

 

But GOD DIDN'T SAY IT WAS OK!

 

 

 

If I were to say we should start mass murdering Muslims because God told me it was Ok, but he didn't really tell me, that's not religion being evil, that's some idiot trying to exploit it.

[Dizzle229]

Didn't they justify the Crusades by saying it was God's will?

 

That isn't justification any more than Hitler's "justification" for killing Jews. It was manipulation by the upper classes for their own gain.

 

It doesn't matter what the real reason was, it's that they are saying it's okay because God says it's okay!

 

But GOD DIDN'T SAY IT WAS OK!

 

 

 

If I were to say we should start mass murdering Muslims because God told me it was Ok, but he didn't really tell me, that's not religion being evil, that's some idiot trying to exploit it.

 

Thank you for making my point for me?

 

 

 

If you were going against religion your point failed. The voice of some random idiot is not the voice of God.

[deathdrow]

i tihnk gaud is rael becaws thasts whaut my mooaumy saeyd.

[Dizzle229]

i tihnk gaud is rael becaws thasts whaut my mooaumy saeyd.

 

 

 

Well maybe thats why you believe it, but most people have actual reasons.

[Dizzle229]

Didn't they justify the Crusades by saying it was God's will?

 

That isn't justification any more than Hitler's "justification" for killing Jews. It was manipulation by the upper classes for their own gain.

 

It doesn't matter what the real reason was, it's that they are saying it's okay because God says it's okay!

 

But GOD DIDN'T SAY IT WAS OK!

 

 

 

If I were to say we should start mass murdering Muslims because God told me it was Ok, but he didn't really tell me, that's not religion being evil, that's some idiot trying to exploit it.

 

Thank you for making my point for me?

 

 

 

If you were going against religion your point failed. The voice of some random idiot is not the voice of God.

 

If I recall, the Pope said condoms were not the will of God. Is the Pope some random idiot?

 

 

 

He's not God. Definitely a step up from random idiot, but not even close to God. The Pope doesn't claim to speak directly with God.

 

 

 

 

 

And damnit rocco, stop posting before me! :XD:

 

 

 

Anyway, the reasons are:

 

 

 

Faith

 

They need something to believe in

 

It's reassuring

 

The fact that things exist.

 

 

 

I have my own idea besides any of these, which I'll post in a few mins.

[deathdrow]

i tihnk gaud is rael becaws thasts whaut my mooaumy saeyd.

 

 

 

Well maybe thats why you believe it, but most people have actual reasons.

 

I don't actually believe in god.

 

Personally it's just too unbelievable for me. mebbe there's some big powerful smurf flying around in a cloud of mushrooms controlling the universe. But probably not.

 

we're probably all just some broken thoughts that flew out of somebody's head in another universe. and this is where all their bad brokey thoughts go.

[Lenticular_J]

mebbe there's some big powerful smurf flying around in a cloud of mushrooms controlling the universe. But probably not.

 

I don't think anybody believes that, though.

 

 

 

we're probably all just some broken thoughts that flew out of somebody's head in another universe. and this is where all their bad brokey thoughts go.

 

That could be a vaguely religious thought.

 

 

 

Yes, but wouldn't it be fair to say you probably would never have believed in God unless your mother or father told you about him and the Bible and such?

 

If there were no organized religion, personal beliefs would be even more prominent and spoken out for. There might be more or less bad, though. People might feel there's nothing to stop them because they believe that, or maybe people would respect each other more. Plus they wouldn't really have an excuse for being a [bleep] to someone else. People just don't understand that all religion is a personal belief, but there are ties people have found good for morals and whatnot.

[Dizzle229]

Alright, the big argument is that "it just seems too unbelievable." You know what? I agree. It sounds really far out there. But everything has to have come from somewhere. Who says God isn't something scientific? I think that God created everything, but instead of being some supernatural being, is an entity that has these abilities that can be explained by science. Pretyt much, just something that can create that we haven't discovered yet.

 

 

 

As for the Bible, no human can decide what God wants and has said because to be completely honest noone has any freaking idea what God wants.

 

 

 

Jesus: Whether or not he was the messiah sent by God I don't know, most likely not, but he was a good man and there's no denying that.

[Faitality]

Douglas Adams sums it up pretty nicely for me:

 

 

 

Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?