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[mmmcannibalism]

I'm just saying. Compare religious beliefs with style. Although someone appears to be unique because of his/her sense of fashion, they are only unique relative to the norms established by society. You don't see anyone walking around in oldschool pilot attire because they would be treated like a quack. Same thing goes for "personal" beliefs. Your choices in believing what you like are more constrained than you'd think.

 

 

 

You can't blame everything on social norms. People normally don't like the color brown or the smell of crap but it's not because of the fact that no one else does - it's because it's not appealing to them personally.

 

 

 

that was a colorful analogy.

[Dizzle229]

Wow, this whole thread I've been talking about how I'm Catholic, but am I even Catholic?

 

 

 

I mean, I still believe in God, but I don't believe in God the way any current religion describes it. I think that EVERYTHING has some scientific explanation,and that God is no exception from this rule. I believe that God created existence as a base, the way it all started, and he also had some influence on how nature works, whether accidental or on purpose I don't know. Then nature did everything from there, evolutions and such. Which is to say, I believe in God, but not creationism.

[Zierro]

Wow, this whole thread I've been talking about how I'm Catholic, but am I even Catholic?

 

 

 

I mean, I still believe in God, but I don't believe in God the way any current religion describes it. I think that EVERYTHING has some scientific explanation,and that God is no exception from this rule. I believe that God created existence as a base, the way it all started, and he also had some influence on how nature works, whether accidental or on purpose I don't know. Then nature did everything from there, evolutions and such. Which is to say, I believe in God, but not creationism.

 

 

 

I think that would be considered deism.

[mmmcannibalism]

Wow, this whole thread I've been talking about how I'm Catholic, but am I even Catholic?

 

 

 

I mean, I still believe in God, but I don't believe in God the way any current religion describes it. I think that EVERYTHING has some scientific explanation,and that God is no exception from this rule. I believe that God created existence as a base, the way it all started, and he also had some influence on how nature works, whether accidental or on purpose I don't know. Then nature did everything from there, evolutions and such. Which is to say, I believe in God, but not creationism.

 

 

 

I think that would be considered deism.

 

 

 

definetely deism, maybe not the god is scientific part but otherwise it is.

 

 

 

I left the catholic church for agnosticism if you care dizzle, funny to see someone else changing from it on here.

[Zierro]

I left the catholic church for agnosticism if you care dizzle, funny to see someone else changing from it on here.

 

 

 

I was baptized Catholic, then I was just Christian, then Atheist, then Agnostic, now Theist, and on the verge of possibly becoming Christian again. When will it end???

[Dizzle229]

I left the catholic church for agnosticism if you care dizzle, funny to see someone else changing from it on here.

 

 

 

I was baptized Catholic, then I was just Christian, then Atheist, then Agnostic, now Theist, and on the verge of possibly becoming Christian again. When will it end???

 

 

 

Just wait until you get scientology, woohoo!

[mmmcannibalism]

I left the catholic church for agnosticism if you care dizzle, funny to see someone else changing from it on here.

 

 

 

I was baptized Catholic, then I was just Christian, then Atheist, then Agnostic, now Theist, and on the verge of possibly becoming Christian again. When will it end???

 

 

 

when you accept his noodlyness, the flying spaghetti monster(sorry couldnt resist)

[Dizzle229]

I left the catholic church for agnosticism if you care dizzle, funny to see someone else changing from it on here.

 

 

 

I was baptized Catholic, then I was just Christian, then Atheist, then Agnostic, now Theist, and on the verge of possibly becoming Christian again. When will it end???

 

 

 

when you accept his noodlyness, the flying spaghetti monster(sorry couldnt resist)

 

 

 

I have SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that there is an entire race of godlike spaghetti monsters I'll have you know!

 

 

 

Just look at the girls in ANY fashion magazine, obviously spaghetti monsters in disguise. How else could they bo so unhealthily thin?

[SwordKing]

I'm an Atheist. I don't believe in God at all, and I can't remember the last time I did.

[blossom2581]

 

I was baptized Catholic, then I was just Christian, then Atheist, then Agnostic, now Theist, and on the verge of possibly becoming Christian again. When will it end???

 

 

 

until you realize how realising (or unrealistic) the religion is, from thelogical knowledge and from experiences.

 

 

 

you havn't been devout enough, or your faith is built on a superficial foundation (e.g. Merely Jesus sacrified, so we must follow), then you have a high risk of getting astray from a religion, I'm afraid

 

 

 

I am a Christian. Not yet baptizied.

[Housepig]

 

I was baptized Catholic, then I was just Christian, then Atheist, then Agnostic, now Theist, and on the verge of possibly becoming Christian again. When will it end???

 

 

 

until you realize how realising (or unrealistic) the religion is, from thelogical knowledge and from experiences.

 

 

 

you havn't been devout enough, or your faith is built on a superficial foundation (e.g. Merely Jesus sacrified, so we must follow), then you have a high risk of getting astray from a religion, I'm afraid

 

 

 

I am a Christian. Not yet baptizied.

 

 

 

Faith is doublethink.

 

 

 

Although I am certain that I am an atheist, I would be ready to convert if there were proof. My opinions are based on reason. That's where the Pope differs from Richard Dawkins: one would believe the other if they could prove their viewpoint; the other would not.

[Lenticular_J]

That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

[mmmcannibalism]

That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

 

 

 

The point is that atheists would believe in a god if it was proven to be real, its not superificial its just extremely pragmatic.

[Lenticular_J]

That may be the dumbest post I've ever read.

 

 

 

He's saying that if there truly was a God, then he would believe in God. That's called not being an arrogant [wagon]. But until there's proof, he won't believe anything. That's called not jumping on the bandwagon because your parents showed it to you.

 

 

 

EDIT: I can't spell.

 

Ok? I said he shouldn't jump on a bandwagon just because there's proof. If there was proof of God, why would people still follow old religions? It wouldn't even be religion then, it would be a fact. Stay true to your personal beliefs. Even if you don't have any. I was going to insult you back, but you'll grow out if it. At least, I hope you will.

 

 

 

The point is that atheists would believe in a god if it was proven to be real, its not superificial its just extremely pragmatic.

 

But God's a personal belief. You might not believe, but I do. I mean, would it really be a belief if God was just something like gravity? Of course we have different personal beliefs, and I think God's something like ... morals. If everybody had the same morals, the world really would suck, wouldn't it? I mean, I sure hope that there isn't some proof of what morals and beliefs should be right floating around the universe. That would destroy free will completely.

[Cup Lion]

Well any sort of scientific proof that God exists, in itself, does not exist. And whenever we try to convince them of Eucharistic miracles and [cabbage], they find "flaws".

 

 

 

It's never going to happen. We understand that atheists want proof. They aren't going to get it. And it isn't our fault.

[mmmcannibalism]

Well any sort of scientific proof that God exists, in itself, does not exist. And whenever we try to convince them of Eucharistic miracles and [cabbage], they find "flaws".

 

 

 

It's never going to happen. We understand that atheists want proof. They aren't going to get it. And it isn't our fault.

 

 

 

Its not like there is a fault here, you believe in something on faith while atheists simply dont believe in anything that doesnt have empirical proof.

 

 

 

But God's a personal belief. You might not believe, but I do. I mean, would it really be a belief if God was just something like gravity

 

 

 

Interesting philosophical question, I am not sure :lol:

[Zierro]

But God's a personal belief. You might not believe, but I do. I mean, would it really be a belief if God was just something like gravity? Of course we have different personal beliefs, and I think God's something like ... morals. If everybody had the same morals, the world really would suck, wouldn't it? I mean, I sure hope that there isn't some proof of what morals and beliefs should be right floating around the universe. That would destroy free will completely.

 

 

 

I agree that god is similar to morals because they are pretty subjective and impossible to justify.

 

 

 

But I don't think that if we had the same morals then the world would suck. We would all agree with the same rules and we'd all follow them. It would be a peaceful world.

[mmmcannibalism]

But God's a personal belief. You might not believe, but I do. I mean, would it really be a belief if God was just something like gravity? Of course we have different personal beliefs, and I think God's something like ... morals. If everybody had the same morals, the world really would suck, wouldn't it? I mean, I sure hope that there isn't some proof of what morals and beliefs should be right floating around the universe. That would destroy free will completely.

 

 

 

I agree that god is similar to morals because they are pretty subjective and impossible to justify.

 

 

 

But I don't think that if we had the same morals then the world would suck. We would all agree with the same rules and we'd all follow them. It would be a peaceful world.

 

 

 

unless we developed an any mean justifies the end morality

[Lenticular_J]

But God's a personal belief. You might not believe, but I do. I mean, would it really be a belief if God was just something like gravity? Of course we have different personal beliefs, and I think God's something like ... morals. If everybody had the same morals, the world really would suck, wouldn't it? I mean, I sure hope that there isn't some proof of what morals and beliefs should be right floating around the universe. That would destroy free will completely.

 

 

 

I agree that god is similar to morals because they are pretty subjective and impossible to justify.

 

 

 

But I don't think that if we had the same morals then the world would suck. We would all agree with the same rules and we'd all follow them. It would be a peaceful world.

 

It might be peaceful, but it certainly wouldn't be interesting. We'd be stagnant in every way. Although is evolution and change a more worth cause than peace? I do not know.

[Housepig]

That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

 

 

 

No, because the picture would undoubtedly be photoshopped. I meant real, scientific evidence would convince me, not some picture of 'God'--and even if I was convinced...I reserve the opinion that God may exist, but even if he did, who says he is the Christian God and that the Bible came directly from him? If he was real, the Bible would mostl likely be a myth attempting to explain him, not a factual account.

 

 

 

I find your faith disturbing. Someone once said "It is impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into", and I think that describes the situation here pretty well. As for your point about friendship...is there any other reason to be friends with someone? I certainly can't think of one.

[Mr_Cheese]

That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

 

 

 

No, because the picture would undoubtedly be photoshopped. I meant real, scientific evidence would convince me, not some picture of 'God'--and even if I was convinced...I reserve the opinion that God may exist, but even if he did, who says he is the Christian God and that the Bible came directly from him? If he was real, the Bible would mostl likely be a myth attempting to explain him, not a factual account.

 

 

 

I find your faith disturbing. Someone once said "It is impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into", and I think that describes the situation here pretty well. As for your point about friendship...is there any other reason to be friends with someone? I certainly can't think of one.

 

 

 

But you can neither prove nor disprove God, thats why it takes more faith to be an athiest. You have to believe that life is pointless whilst also straying away from the majority.

[Housepig]

That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

 

 

 

No, because the picture would undoubtedly be photoshopped. I meant real, scientific evidence would convince me, not some picture of 'God'--and even if I was convinced...I reserve the opinion that God may exist, but even if he did, who says he is the Christian God and that the Bible came directly from him? If he was real, the Bible would mostl likely be a myth attempting to explain him, not a factual account.

 

 

 

I find your faith disturbing. Someone once said "It is impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into", and I think that describes the situation here pretty well. As for your point about friendship...is there any other reason to be friends with someone? I certainly can't think of one.

 

 

 

But you can neither prove nor disprove God, thats why it takes more faith to be an athiest. You have to believe that life is pointless whilst also straying away from the majority.

 

 

 

Nor can you disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But do you believe in it?

 

 

 

Takes more faith to be an athiest? Hardly. All babies are athiests; almost all scientists are atheists. There has been a proven negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence. As for straying away from the majority...that comes natural to me. You'll never get anywhere in life if you aren't prepared to.

 

 

 

Of course life is pointless. The only point in life is to enjoy it while you can; I personaly find it very uplifting to think about how the wonderful (and somewhat less wonderful) things in the world came about by chance.

[Mr_Cheese]

That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

 

 

 

No, because the picture would undoubtedly be photoshopped. I meant real, scientific evidence would convince me, not some picture of 'God'--and even if I was convinced...I reserve the opinion that God may exist, but even if he did, who says he is the Christian God and that the Bible came directly from him? If he was real, the Bible would mostl likely be a myth attempting to explain him, not a factual account.

 

 

 

I find your faith disturbing. Someone once said "It is impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into", and I think that describes the situation here pretty well. As for your point about friendship...is there any other reason to be friends with someone? I certainly can't think of one.

 

 

 

But you can neither prove nor disprove God, thats why it takes more faith to be an athiest. You have to believe that life is pointless whilst also straying away from the majority.

 

 

 

Nor can you disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But do you believe in it?

 

 

 

Takes more faith to be an athiest? Hardly. All babies are athiests; almost all scientists are atheists. There has been a proven negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence. As for straying away from the majority...that comes natural to me. You'll never get anywhere in life if you aren't prepared to.

 

 

 

Of course life is pointless. The only point in life is to enjoy it while you can; I personaly find it very uplifting to think about how the wonderful (and somewhat less wonderful) things in the world came about by chance.

 

 

 

But then if people believing in God comforts them, and makes life a little better, do they need proof? Does a mysterious man dressed in white have to come down and show us all that he created the earth? There are also many things in the world that scientists can't explain and until they do, people will still say that God created it all.

[D Jay99]

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That's the whole point of faith. Not needing proof. Religion isn't like evolution, converting because there's proof is stupid and superficial. It's like only being friends with somebody because they've proven their friendship somehow. Your personal beliefs are your own. Besides, can you honestly say that you would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday (at minimum), follow the Bible word-for-word, and all that bull [cabbage] - if there was just a picture of God hanging out in a house or something?

 

 

 

No, because the picture would undoubtedly be photoshopped. I meant real, scientific evidence would convince me, not some picture of 'God'--and even if I was convinced...I reserve the opinion that God may exist, but even if he did, who says he is the Christian God and that the Bible came directly from him? If he was real, the Bible would mostl likely be a myth attempting to explain him, not a factual account.

 

 

 

I find your faith disturbing. Someone once said "It is impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into", and I think that describes the situation here pretty well. As for your point about friendship...is there any other reason to be friends with someone? I certainly can't think of one.

 

 

 

But you can neither prove nor disprove God, thats why it takes more faith to be an athiest. You have to believe that life is pointless whilst also straying away from the majority.

 

 

 

Nor can you disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But do you believe in it?

 

 

 

Takes more faith to be an athiest? Hardly. All babies are athiests; almost all scientists are atheists. There has been a proven negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence. As for straying away from the majority...that comes natural to me. You'll never get anywhere in life if you aren't prepared to.

 

 

 

Of course life is pointless. The only point in life is to enjoy it while you can; I personaly find it very uplifting to think about how the wonderful (and somewhat less wonderful) things in the world came about by chance.

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But then if people believing in God comforts them, and makes life a little better, do they need proof?

 

That is indeed a good reason for believing in God in my opinion, because it comforts people. But I wonder, why does it comfort them, some probably (I say probably because there isn't any proof) imaginairy creator who presumably watches us and knows us?

[mmmcannibalism]

Takes more faith to be an athiest? Hardly. All babies are athiests; almost all scientists are atheists. There has been a proven negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence. As for straying away from the majority...that comes natural to me. You'll never get anywhere in life if you aren't prepared to.

 

 

 

babies are born agnostic, you cant call them atheist when they havent thought about matters involving god. Site a legit source on the scientist and intelligence claims, I highly doubt both of them.