lobsta Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 If the laws of the universe were programmed any other way, chemical reactions necessary for life would not occur. If the earth were further away from the sun, it would be too cold for life, just as it would be too hot if the earth were closer to the sun. If the series of natural events that destroyed the dinosaurs did not occur, you may not be hereOf all the organisms before you, every single one of them successfully reproduced before being eaten or killed. If any one of those organisms made even the slightest decision differently, you may not be here now. You are extremely lucky to be granted such an infinitesimally short spark of consciousness - we should not belittle this by living for an afterlife, or believing we were designed by God. If we were designed, we were designed very poorly Our purpose is not futile or meaningless - for we live to reproduce - to grant other humans a chance at life. Why does a species so vastly intelligent need a God? We don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 No universal or absolute purpose, sure. I have no problem with admitting that, but my question to you is why should that matter? What matters to me is that this burp on this useless little planet in this indifferent universe can make something out of it. What matters is that the meaning and purpose are mine and not the will of someone else. To me, getting a sense of purpose from god is as good as being a lawyer because your parents want you to be. What does that mean to the kid? Maybe he might like that, but then again he might not. At the end of the day it's him alone who imposes the value on that occupation, it's him alone who dictates that it has some relevance or meaning to him. Day to day I don't think it does matter, and the absurdity of it does very little other than make me smile from time to time. I was only arguing the point that a universe where humans are created for a reason assigns value to them and gives them purpose, whether or not the situation is desirable. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 If we were designed, we were designed very poorly How so? I have a feeling you're gonna say because we had to evolve, but if we really were designed then that would mean evolution was just one of god's creations too and is just a means to get us where we are today. You yourself went on to say that we only exist because of very limited conditions, but yet you think the designer did a poor job? Science, music, love, food, language, and sex are all brilliant designs. Warri0r: Design implies that someone is striving to fulfill their intentions through creation. Generally speaking, this looks a lot better for us when it comes to meaning than if we're just a cosmic accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 If the laws of the universe were programmed any other way, chemical reactions necessary for life would not occur. If the earth were further away from the sun, it would be too cold for life, just as it would be too hot if the earth were closer to the sun. If the series of natural events that destroyed the dinosaurs did not occur, you may not be hereOf all the organisms before you, every single one of them successfully reproduced before being eaten or killed. If any one of those organisms made even the slightest decision differently, you may not be here now. You are extremely lucky to be granted such an infinitesimally short spark of consciousness - we should not belittle this by living for an afterlife, or believing we were designed by God. If we were designed, we were designed very poorly Our purpose is not futile or meaningless - for we live to reproduce - to grant other humans a chance at life. Why does a species so vastly intelligent need a God? We don't. how is it at all belittiling to think there is some divine being behind the universe? The universe is truly an amazing place, and whether it be created by the laws of physics or the hand of god its still just as interesting. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_mumm_ra Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Life is not meaningless without god. I think life with god would be more meaningful than without. If we were just a mere accident, then that implies that there is nothing special about us at all. Sure, there is the fact that we overcame those ridiculous odds, but that's not really for us to gloat about since we had nothing to do with it (in the sense that we did not choose to evolve into humans from microorganisms). We are nothing more than a byproduct of the universe - like dust. If god exists, that implies meaning because there is always a reason for creating something. An artist paints to make something beautiful, a lyricist writes to appeal to the audience's ear, a chef cooks to make a delightfully tasty dish. If there is a god then we can wager that we have a reason for being here. imagine if we were only here for "god's" entertainment, like say the people in a game of Sims 2 suddenly became aware that they were being played by someone else. what if that is all we were, would you want that? would it matter? what could our purpose be, as god's creation, such as a chef creates a tasty dish etc. it doesn't actually matter to me at all if there is a god or not, i've got my own beliefs about things, or lack of beliefs simply because i don't care, i don't concern myself with it, and hated when my parents tried to push it on me as a kid. main point in bold. [hide=WOO TEXT! updated Jan 19, 2009 (last quote)] And Evil you mad bastard. You are definately bringing TET back up to it's glory. No doubt about it. Keep it going champ.24,485th to 99 defence on 7-23-08I always forget you're 20 too. I always think you're 25 or something. o.oYa think that I'm insane, Its not sane... its not saneobligitory devart link: http://evil-mumm-ra.deviantart.com/Pogonophobia is the fear of beards.She isn't naked so it's legal.I'm a porn star.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothedew Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 imagine if we were only here for "god's" entertainment, like say the people in a game of Sims 2 suddenly became aware that they were being played by someone else. what if that is all we were, would you want that? would it matter? what could our purpose be, as god's creation, such as a chef creates a tasty dish etc. it doesn't actually matter to me at all if there is a god or not, i've got my own beliefs about things, or lack of beliefs simply because i don't care, i don't concern myself with it, and hated when my parents tried to push it on me as a kid. main point in bold. Of course we might be here for horrible reasons. It's possible that he has us here to get kicks out of watching us suffer. However, there is still a greater chance of us being here for a reason we're all comfortable with than if god didn't exist at all - which would mean no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgedThesis Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 no Hilarious. Because this one-word, completely unsupported answer is as valid as any other on this thread. But hey-- the futile discussion is entertaining and sometimes even educational. So let us all continue. But I don't want to go among mad people!Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 no Hilarious. Because this one-word, completely unsupported answer is as valid as any other on this thread. But hey-- the futile discussion is entertaining and sometimes even educational. So let us all continue. Ha, and you have better support than him? Read the title. [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgedThesis Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 no Hilarious. Because this one-word, completely unsupported answer is as valid as any other on this thread. But hey-- the futile discussion is entertaining and sometimes even educational. So let us all continue. Ha, and you have better support than him? Read the title. I was supporting his answer, genius. But I don't want to go among mad people!Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I forgot the formula for God not existing. Is it mass x theocracy? catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The truth is, there are a million reasons why god shouldn't exist based on the laws of physics and whatever else, and there is only one book that says he does. actually the only empirical reason god shouldnt exist is that we have never observed something disobeying the laws of physics, and that isnt proof that its impossible. You will never have proof of god, and you will never have disproof because the claim of god exists (generally) implies the existence of something beyond empirical observation. This line of reasoning is a leading factor in the growth of agnosticism, I can point to a logical flaw in any religion given time to study their texts and belief system, but there is no logical flaw in believing that its possible for something to exist that doesnt obey what we know as the laws of physics. Secondly, there are quite a few books that say god exists not sure why you are claiming one. Quran, Bible, Torrah(if we wish to differentiate between judaism and christianity), Buddhist texts(Buddhism does believe in gods correct?) and if I wish to get technical any book that involves religions which have a god. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promise Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The truth is, there are a million reasons why god shouldn't exist based on the laws of physics and whatever else, and there is only one book that says he does. actually the only empirical reason god shouldnt exist is that we have never observed something disobeying the laws of physics, and that isnt proof that its impossible. You will never have proof of god, and you will never have disproof because the claim of god exists (generally) implies the existence of something beyond empirical observation. This line of reasoning is a leading factor in the growth of agnosticism, I can point to a logical flaw in any religion given time to study their texts and belief system, but there is no logical flaw in believing that its possible for something to exist that doesnt obey what we know as the laws of physics. Secondly, there are quite a few books that say god exists not sure why you are claiming one. Quran, Bible, Torrah(if we wish to differentiate between judaism and christianity), Buddhist texts(Buddhism does believe in gods correct?) and if I wish to get technical any book that involves religions which have a god. No, that's not what I mean... it's just like, I can think of 5 good reasons why there might not be a God right now, yet they can be overrided by, "The Bible says so."? You're ignoring the fact that Christianity isn't the only religion. God can relate to any of the gods, Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Gautama Buddha, etc. The bible isn't "saying so." Have you even read any religious texts? They are like story books....really long story books. They talk about how this person lived their life, whether it was helping people, finding the right way to live, how to be happy etc. It doesn't matter, but your and many other ignorant opinions manipulate the true meaning of them, and there are people who read them. #-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzeben23 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 HE is REAL. I DONT BELIEVE IN HIM THOUGH. I only have one good example of him. The UNIVERSE WHERE THE [bleep]ING HELL DID IT COME FROM? Account created on Weds, December 21st, 200599 cooking on December 12th, 2010. 99 Agility on September 30th, 2011. 99 Fletching on August 17th, 2012. 99 Prayer on March 22nd, 2016. 99 Farming on April 4th, 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 HE is REAL. I DONT BELIEVE IN HIM THOUGH. I only have one good example of him. The UNIVERSE WHERE THE [bleep] HELL DID IT COME FROM? conservation of mass, there was another universe before this one that collapsed and caused the big bang. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promise Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 How did you relate nursery rhymes to religion? I'm talking about religious texts, not what you sing to make your baby happy. What hole did you pull that out of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 You're ignoring the fact that Christianity isn't the only religion. God can relate to any of the gods, Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Gautama Buddha, etc. This is very true. Many, many monotheistic religions refer to their god as "God." To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promise Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 You're ignoring the fact that Christianity isn't the only religion. God can relate to any of the gods, Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Gautama Buddha, etc. This is very true. Many, many monotheistic religions refer to their god as "God." Exactly. For example, Allah in Arabic means God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 HE is REAL. I DONT BELIEVE IN HIM THOUGH. I only have one good example of him. The UNIVERSE WHERE THE [bleep] HELL DID IT COME FROM? conservation of mass, there was another universe before this one that collapsed and caused the big bang. Hm. I'm not sure about conservation of mass. Because where'd that universe come from? The one before it? The one before it? The one before it? Mind-boggling. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 HE is REAL. I DONT BELIEVE IN HIM THOUGH. I only have one good example of him. The UNIVERSE WHERE THE [bleep] HELL DID IT COME FROM? conservation of mass, there was another universe before this one that collapsed and caused the big bang. Hm. I'm not sure about conservation of mass. Because where'd that universe come from? The one before it? The one before it? The one before it? Mind-boggling. Interesting how we can ask the same question of a God. Where did he come from? Who made him, and so on? :) While I despise religion, I'm certainly not an atheist. I like these sorts of questions, though they are entirely speculative. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 HE is REAL. I DONT BELIEVE IN HIM THOUGH. I only have one good example of him. The UNIVERSE WHERE THE [bleep] HELL DID IT COME FROM? conservation of mass, there was another universe before this one that collapsed and caused the big bang. Hm. I'm not sure about conservation of mass. Because where'd that universe come from? The one before it? The one before it? The one before it? Mind-boggling. think of a ball sitting on your floor as the universe, its not going to move(lets pretend nothing else exists) and it will be there forever. Eventually it will have been there forever, and the reason it came about ceases to matter. more scientifically, its just a giant cycle, the water on earth recycles "forever" after all so why shouldnt the universe. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Interesting how we can ask the same question of a God. Where did he come from? Who made him, and so on? :) While I despise religion, I'm certainly not an atheist. I like these sorts of questions, though they are entirely speculative. That's why I'm not sure about the Law of Conservation of Mass. Another law is that rules were made to be broken. But, then, would that mean that all rules weren't made to be broken? Why do you despise religion, though? catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Hilarious. Because this one-word, completely unsupported answer is as valid as any other on this thread. But hey-- the futile discussion is entertaining and sometimes even educational. So let us all continue. Ha, and you have better support than him? Read the title. I was supporting his answer, genius. A thousand pardons to you and your crystal clear sarcasm, young master. [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Interesting how we can ask the same question of a God. Where did he come from? Who made him, and so on? :) While I despise religion, I'm certainly not an atheist. I like these sorts of questions, though they are entirely speculative. That's why I'm not sure about the Law of Conservation of Mass. Another law is that rules were made to be broken. But, then, would that mean that all rules weren't made to be broken? Why do you despise religion, though? I don't like the idea that people spend more time worrying about dying than they do about living. There are exceptions, obviously, but more often than not, religious people put much more energy into church than they do into their own families. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Ah, yes, in that case I agree with you. But I don't find that a religious problem. Although I suppose I place some blame on very ridiculous dogma. Of course, plenty of people worry about living too much. You know the people I'm talking about. Work at a dead-end job for forty years, promising themselves they're happy ... I've been watching a little too much Yes Man, though :P catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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