Dizzle229 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Let's all convert to scientology :D Nice on-topic post. Would read it again. :thumbup: Nice rip-off of a siggied quote. Would read it again :thumbup: Edit: Just had another thought. Maybe there is an afterlife and maybe there isn't, but if there is, does it have anything to do with God? Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlperBacon3 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. Thanks to ~Hiimben~ for the Awesome sig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. Through the natural evolution from primative organisms billions of years ago; who were born most probably out of the chemical mixture of earth's ancient sea. The earth being created from the remnents of a primitive star which was created probably by another primitive star; the first of these primitive stars resulting from the big bang. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSam Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 "Is God real?" Define what you're asking is real and we can answer the question. There's no point asking "Are cats real?" then refusing to define what you'll accept as being a cat. You have to define it in order to answer the question. So: what's the definition of 'God'? Best drop so far: Dragon Chainbody from a Dust Devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 "Is God real?" Define what you're asking is real and we can answer the question. There's no point asking "Are cats real?" then refusing to define what you'll accept as being a cat. You have to define it in order to answer the question. So: what's the definition of 'God'? I always went with; "an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries, the abilities/nature of said being not relevant to whether it would be considered god" Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Let's all convert to scientology :D Nice on-topic post. Would read it again. :thumbup: Nice rip-off of a siggied quote. Would read it again :thumbup: Edit: Just had another thought. Maybe there is an afterlife and maybe there isn't, but if there is, does it have anything to do with God?You cannot know that which you do not know the absence of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSam Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 "Is God real?" Define what you're asking is real and we can answer the question. There's no point asking "Are cats real?" then refusing to define what you'll accept as being a cat. You have to define it in order to answer the question. So: what's the definition of 'God'? I always went with; "an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries, the abilities/nature of said being not relevant to whether it would be considered god" Nice. If the question is whether or not such a thing exists, my answer is "Possibly." Best drop so far: Dragon Chainbody from a Dust Devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plugpoint Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. One word: Evolution. I refuse to even begin considering that a word written in the Bible has any degree of truth behind it, nor can I believe that there's some form of higher being. And if I'm wrong, I'll gladly burn in hell for not believing, I don't give a [cabbage]. Maxed 15/06/13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 [hide=]"Is God real?" Define what you're asking is real and we can answer the question. There's no point asking "Are cats real?" then refusing to define what you'll accept as being a cat. You have to define it in order to answer the question. So: what's the definition of 'God'? I always went with; "an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries, the abilities/nature of said being not relevant to whether it would be considered god" Nice. If the question is whether or not such a thing exists, my answer is "Possibly."[/hide] Thats the best way of defining god I have ever been able to come up with. When you consider things such as a god who only has the power of a 9v battery per hour or a god that isnt a perfect being so he limits his actions a lot of definitions such as "an all powerful supernatural being" break down. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSam Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 [hide=] I always went with; "an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries, the abilities/nature of said being not relevant to whether it would be considered god"[/hide] Thats the best way of defining god I have ever been able to come up with. When you consider things such as a god who only has the power of a 9v battery per hour or a god that isnt a perfect being so he limits his actions a lot of definitions such as "an all powerful supernatural being" break down. Does that definition leave you with some ghosts being gods, if ghosts exist and some prefer to be unobserved? Best drop so far: Dragon Chainbody from a Dust Devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bewareitsandrew Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Religion was developed when people did not know how things were created and wanted an explanation for how they were. We now, have dozens of solid theories (big bang, evolution, etc.) so there is no need for it. It all boils down to one question... If "God" created everything, who created "God"? ^Hawt new Siggy^ Made by yours truly.Yeah, Spanish class is where everything funny happens.Click To see my Origami gallery![hide=Important drops]Important drops..... Bandos Tassets x2Dragon medium helm x 1Dragon pickaxe x 1 (6m)Verac's Brassard x 1Veracs's Helm x 2Verac's Skirt x 1Guthan's Helm x 2Guthan's spear x 1 Karil's Leatherskirt x 1 Karil's C'bow x 1 Dharok's Helm x 1 (4.6m)[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 [hide=] I always went with; "an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries, the abilities/nature of said being not relevant to whether it would be considered god"[/hide] Thats the best way of defining god I have ever been able to come up with. When you consider things such as a god who only has the power of a 9v battery per hour or a god that isnt a perfect being so he limits his actions a lot of definitions such as "an all powerful supernatural being" break down. Does that definition leave you with some ghosts being gods, if ghosts exist and some prefer to be unobserved? In a way, I guess it would. The two main things that make this hold up well is that it allows for an expansion/consideration if we start finding things that violate logical observation. If we find ghosts it makes a logical case for a higher concious in charge so to speak. The best thing to this definition is its inclusivity; "god" can be almost anything under this definition, leaving us to debate his existence instead of his wording. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlperBacon3 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. One word: Evolution. I refuse to even begin considering that a word written in the Bible has any degree of truth behind it, nor can I believe that there's some form of higher being. And if I'm wrong, I'll gladly burn in hell for not believing, I don't give a [cabbage]. Well evolution had to start somewhere. (GOD) Thanks to ~Hiimben~ for the Awesome sig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlperBacon3 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. Through the natural evolution from primative organisms billions of years ago; who were born most probably out of the chemical mixture of earth's ancient sea. The earth being created from the remnents of a primitive star which was created probably by another primitive star; the first of these primitive stars resulting from the big bang. Who created the universe. (an ultimate creator) If evolution was real, it had to start somewhere. Thanks to ~Hiimben~ for the Awesome sig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBeam Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Oh yeah, and I've thought of taking babies and throwing them. For funsies. - Lenticular J"Isn't it pathetic how everything in our society is built around someone screwing someone else out of their money?" - killerbeer0 on American SocietyRebdragon can't wiz a woz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rien Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. One word: Evolution. I refuse to even begin considering that a word written in the Bible has any degree of truth behind it, nor can I believe that there's some form of higher being. And if I'm wrong, I'll gladly burn in hell for not believing, I don't give a [cabbage]. Well evolution had to start somewhere. (GOD) Heh, this concept keeps cropping up and being rehashed every five pages or so. :lol: I'll pose a simple question: If God created the Universe, then who or what created God? Your answer will probably be something along the lines of "God has always existed." In turn, I can just as easily suggest that it is the Universe which has always existed in a cyclic model of renewal through an infinite series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches--and, furthermore, Occam's razor would seem to support me in this. Before you continue, I'd suggest you read through these pages to gain a better understanding of the argument: Causality Infinite Regression (Turtles) Interested in helping the Tip.It Crew? Check out our Website Updates & Corrections Board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. One word: Evolution. I refuse to even begin considering that a word written in the Bible has any degree of truth behind it, nor can I believe that there's some form of higher being. And if I'm wrong, I'll gladly burn in hell for not believing, I don't give a [cabbage]. Well evolution had to start somewhere. (GOD) Heh, this concept keeps cropping up and being rehashed every five pages or so. :lol: I'll pose a simple question: If God created the Universe, then who or what created God? Your answer will probably be something along the lines of "God has always existed." In turn, I can just as easily suggest that it is the Universe which has always existed in a cyclic model of renewal through an infinite series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches--and, furthermore, Occam's razor would seem to support me in this. Before you continue, I'd suggest you read through these pages to gain a better understanding of the argument: Causality Infinite Regression (Turtles) Someone else mentioned the infinite big bang big crunch series :D I could reiterate what was said in that post but basically what he said. If the Universe can not have a beginning then why can you cite a being that didnt have a beginning? Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If the Universe can not have a beginning then why can you cite a being that didnt have a beginning? an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries God would exist outside logical boundaries. Can the universe be described this way though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If the Universe can not have a beginning then why can you cite a being that didnt have a beginning? an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries God would exist outside logical boundaries. Can the universe be described this way though? The universe definitely has many counterintuitive properties, as even a quick look at quantum mechanics will show. Just because our minds demand that the universe has a beginning does not mean it has to be so. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If the Universe can not have a beginning then why can you cite a being that didnt have a beginning? an intelligence of any sort which exists outside of observable/logical boundaries God would exist outside logical boundaries. Can the universe be described this way though? Very true, but I am speaking to the general existence of a god being; not a creator. It is an interesting line of thinking, but its also interesting to consider the universe may have been created by an illogical process. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plugpoint Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 How are humans what we are today if there is no ultimate creator? Ask yourself this. One word: Evolution. I refuse to even begin considering that a word written in the Bible has any degree of truth behind it, nor can I believe that there's some form of higher being. And if I'm wrong, I'll gladly burn in hell for not believing, I don't give a [cabbage]. Well evolution had to start somewhere. (GOD) (SCIENCE) Maxed 15/06/13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 (SCIENCE) Science isn't the opposite of god. Science would be the opposite of religion. Saying that evolution starts with science doesn't really make much sense, since science is just our understanding of what is already out there in the universe. Whatever did start evolution would already be out there, if we understood it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenga Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 (SCIENCE) Science isn't the opposite of god. Science would be the opposite of religion. Saying that evolution starts with science doesn't really make much sense, since science is just our understanding of what is already out there in the universe. Whatever did start evolution would already be out there, if we understood it or not. But we do understand it. It's called the carbon atom. Ponies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Oh my god. PEOPLE PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE YOU POST IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenga Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Oh my god. PEOPLE PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE YOU POST IT. I did. Ponies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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