Lenticular_J Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yeah, I was really guesstimating when scientists reckon folks first started putting names to gods, or at least worshiping them fully. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallettheif Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Anyone stupid enough to believe in a 'God' deserves to be exiled from humanity. The game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Anyone stupid enough to believe in a 'God' deserves to be exiled from humanity. No they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Wonder if he realizes that without a concept of theism, there can be no atheism... Face it. You looooooooooooooooooove us. And you agnostics, you like us as friiiiiiiiiiiends. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastortoise Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 [hide=]Since we're on the subject of evolution... in NO way evolution proves that there is no God. Obviously Creationism was created by the elite of the USA to force the civilization to follow their beliefs, and whoever actually thinks Creationism is part of science is a chowderhead. However, evolution does not prove the inexistant of a higher lifeform, because we still do not know how life actually began. Some ideas are being thrown around in the scientific community nowadays, but we still do not know how prokaryotic cells evolved into eucaryotic cells. It's a huge jump in this microscopic world, and until we find answers (we will), people can still argue that there is a God, and evolution would be an invalid argument to refute that claim. In my experience, people rarely use evolution as an argument against the existence of a god, nor do I remember anyone using that argument here. It really just makes no sense at all; of course god and evolution can coexist. As for how eukaryotic cells arose from prokaryotic cells, there is one prominent theory that goes some way to explaining that step: Endosymbiotic theory. To sum it up, it basically posits that mitochondria and chloroplasts originated as bacteria and were engulfed by another cell to form a symbiotic relationship, both such organelles gradually loosing their biological independence. I suppose it's somewhat similar how bacteria like Chlamydia or Rickettsia coexist with humans (both live within the cells of their host), but in a positive sense. Wow that's an extremely interesting theory, I wonder why I haven't heard of it before. I'll read up on it when I get up in the morning (my brain is currently on the fritz), I wonder if this theory explains why there is some DNA in the mitochondria and plastids. Yep, it does. Obviously mitochondria and chloroplasts have small genomes, most often circular, as is the case with bacteria. These organellular genomes also have genes encoding various products, the most conserved of which being rRNA and tRNA (I'm assuming you know a bit of molecular bio here). What's most interesting is that the ribosomal genes encode a 70S ribosome - the kind found exclusively in prokaryotes. Obviously there is no real reason for them to have such ribosomes, nor is there any real reason that I can think of as to why the mitochondria or chloroplast needs a genome in the first place. There are also some other peculiar features of mitochondria, such as division by a process not unlike binary fission seen in bacteria.[/hide] According to my ex-bio teacher and brother, I already knew about this theory. Apparently they've told me about it everytime I asked them about pro-eucaryote evolution and I just haven't retained the information. Anyways, the theory seems likely, and i'm getting behind it. Thanks for posting!! on topic: ... pretty much everything has been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cha0sx Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 God is probably simply a man made creation to give humanity hope. It's what so many need. I don't know if we'll ever be freed from this need. I think it just scares a lot of people if they think their life is meaningless or when they die they will go into an unimaginable nonexistance (AKA eternal void). If humans could imagine nonexistance, it would not be what it is. I don't really hate religion, but I don't really follow any one in particular. I consider myself agnostic, leaning more to the atheistic side (I don't think that's possible, but whatever, :lol: ). We don't need religion to have morals. It just seems like a good way to project morals on those too weak and corrupt who have a fear of eternal damnation that gives them morals (Basing this on the more popular religions of the world). I believe that humans have more power than they themselves know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housepig Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I do not believe in any God, afterlife, or "supernatural". To me, while evolution and other science cannot disprove theism, the idea that we simply do not know all the answers is alot more feasable than the idea of some sort of "creator". Interestingly, (I don't have a source for this but could find one) there is a negative corelation between religion and intelligence. In my opinion, this is because most people are brought up to belive in a God:their minds are, effectively, warped. It requires significant mental capacity to break out of this state of mind; as a result, the majoroty of unintelligent atheists were raised that way, and the stronger the religious upbringing, the more intelligence required to break out of it. This is only my theory, however. God is probably simply a man made creation to give humanity hope. It's what so many need. I don't know if we'll ever be freed from this need. I think it just scares a lot of people if they think their life is meaningless or when they die they will go into an unimaginable nonexistance (AKA eternal void). If humans could imagine nonexistance, it would not be what it is. I don't really hate religion, but I don't really follow any one in particular. I consider myself agnostic, leaning more to the atheistic side (I don't think that's possible, but whatever, :lol: ). We don't need religion to have morals. It just seems like a good way to project morals on those too weak and corrupt who have a fear of eternal damnation that gives them morals (Basing this on the more popular religions of the world). That's true, but religion was also created as a means of explaining the Universe: as science advances, religion declines. This is already happening in most of the Western World, but not so much (as far as I understand) in the USA. If absolute power corrupts absolutely, where does that leave God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingjj Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I do not believe in any God, afterlife, or "supernatural". To me, while evolution and other science cannot disprove theism, the idea that we simply do not know all the answers is alot more feasable than the idea of some sort of "creator". Interestingly, (I don't have a source for this but could find one) there is a negative corelation between religion and intelligence. In my opinion, this is because most people are brought up to belive in a God:their minds are, effectively, warped. It requires significant mental capacity to break out of this state of mind; as a result, the majoroty of unintelligent atheists were raised that way, and the stronger the religious upbringing, the more intelligence required to break out of it. As a highly intelligent person, I resent that. As, I'm sure, do many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinjula Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Can you give us a source for that graph? Cos I dont believe it I'm afriad, mostly because I doubt that IQ varies by country, it should be roughly the same no matter what geographic region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoi_Tu Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm What a horrible, horrible site. Erase it from your brain, it serves no purpose here! Seriously, the guy who took "IQ" was measuring what appears to be education level. And it should be noted that there were lower "IQ" scores in countries like Angola and Nigeria, which should make you think it is because not many people there receive a proper education. Nothing on that site can be correlated. Beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoi_Tu Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm What a horrible, horrible site. Erase it from your brain, it serves no purpose here! Seriously, the guy who took "IQ" was measuring what appears to be education level. And it should be noted that there were lower "IQ" scores in countries like Angola and Nigeria, which should make you think it is because not many people there receive a proper education. Nothing on that site can be correlated. Sounds like somebody just got their Jimmy whipped... And by an extremely angry Godzilla too. I swear, one night, and it's rrarrr this laser beam that. Beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm Is that even a real inquiry? I just find it suspicious one result has been marked anomalous and yet others which are further away from the line of best fit aren't noted at all. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syndrome445 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Atheists are afraid of the fact that they are not the most superior beings in the universe, or are simply being rebellious for the sake on non-conformity. click my (very bad) siggy for blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 The site's first word is "hypnosis". I don't trust it. But for real reasons, it's ridiculous. It has twenty-odd countries, and specifies no religion. It could be native paganism on Pacific islands. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingjj Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Okay, after doing some research, I have found that a general relationship between being religious and intelligence does exist in various studies. However, this doesn't mean anything besides a correlation. For example, (I know its not exactly an unbiased site, but bear with me) here's a site that shows that a country's GDP has a negative correlation with intelligence, at almost the exact same rate as religion: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/religion_vs_iq.html Either way, I still resent that theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Atheists are afraid of the fact that they are not the most superior beings in the universe, or are simply being rebellious for the sake on non-conformity. Obvious troll, etc. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly_Wizard Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Atheists are afraid of the fact that they are not the most superior beings in the universe, or are simply being rebellious for the sake on non-conformity. You're my new favorite person 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Atheists are afraid of the fact that they are not the most superior beings in the universe, or are simply being rebellious for the sake on non-conformity. We're wannabe non-conformists for voicing a shared standard? The irony is hilarious. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Maybe the very first atheist back aaaaaaaaaaaages ago was a nonconformist, but most atheists are as equally rationable as religious folks. I mean, you could always consider Hindus nonconformists for all their beliefs, but, whatever. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syndrome445 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Not a troll, but maybe I was a little blunt/harsh with my previous statement. I do not believe than being an Atheist makes you "Stupid" per say, because some of the most prominent scientists are atheists. I do believe, however, that Atheists are afraid to conform to a superior being because they firmly believe that humans are the top of the ladder, and do not owe allegiance to any other beings. It is obvious that I am trying to knock down the Berlin Wall with a Nerf Bat at this point, so I will respectfully leave you to your discussions. click my (very bad) siggy for blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I do believe, however, that Atheists are afraid to conform to a superior being because they firmly believe that humans are the top of the ladder, and do not owe allegiance to any other beings. And you would be correct. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I do believe, however, that Atheists are afraid to conform to a superior being because they firmly believe that humans are the top of the ladder, and do not owe allegiance to any other beings. And you would be correct. I personally believe that there are civilizations far more advanced than us. It would be silly to think that humans beings are at the top of the food chain. Maybe in our solar system, yes, but beyond that, no. However, I do believe that we create our own purpose, and in that sense, we do not owe our allegiance to anyone but ourselves. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syndrome445 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I do believe, however, that Atheists are afraid to conform to a superior being because they firmly believe that humans are the top of the ladder, and do not owe allegiance to any other beings. As opposed to owing allegiance to a supernatural being that created everything? Don't you think it's just a bit more likely that the universe was created through the big bang or something? Nope. click my (very bad) siggy for blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberthree Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 science is too complicated. lets just say god did it all then oversimplify and mock opposing arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I do believe, however, that Atheists are afraid to conform to a superior being because they firmly believe that humans are the top of the ladder, and do not owe allegiance to any other beings. As opposed to owing allegiance to a supernatural being that created everything? Don't you think it's just a bit more likely that the universe was created through the big bang or something? God could still fit right into that equation though. Maybe God made the big bang happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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