It's mainly about honesty and consideration for the customers of a product.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but what ever happened to your talk of 'honesty and consideration for the customers of a product' when Jagex all but destroyed staking and PK'ing? If memory serves me correct, your response was something along the lines of "I'm glad it's gone because it wasn't fair how you could get rich quick and/or because it imposed on your gameplay". Where was the outcry then? There was none, other than jeers and gloating at the misery of another group of players. However, now that the shoes on the proverbial 'other foot', you don't seem to like it. Why is that?

Ah, nice article.

 

Quite a long read though.

 

 

 

It's not very easy for Jagex or whoever to fix the prices with G.E might I note..

 

There are an extremely large amount of items.

 

 

 

Fook: He loves you. That's why he's quoting you.

Its 6 in the morning here and I'm not gonna read ur replies until tommorow.. Dunno whats up with your obsessive quoting me and all, but the last thing I have to say for today is that I didn't see you around these forums until the market started getting all shaky, Qeltar. Explain please. Also explain what benefit you get out of all these posts. Other than the clicks to your personal website, that is.

 

nighty night.

 

 

 

So let me paraphrase this for everyone:

 

 

 

"I don't feel like debating any of the points you brought up. It may be because I can't. Or maybe I just don't care.

 

 

 

Why do you keep quoting me? I'm not going to attempt to show why you're wrong, you just ARE.

 

 

 

So instead I'm going to make it sound like you being here is some kind of conspiracy. Then I'm going to attack your real intentions.

I'm sorry, but what ever happened to your talk of 'honesty and consideration for the customers of a product' when Jagex all but destroyed staking and PK'ing? If memory serves me correct...

 

 

It doesn't. It never does.

 

 

 

Look at the image in the post directly above yours, genius.

That was very good, in the past I was rather distasted by your articles but I'm glad you finally woke up and smelled the coffee.

 

 

 

Just curious what you mean by "woke up and smelled the coffee"?

 

 

 

Doomsday scenarios in 1 post, apologizing and jagex butt kissing in the next, now back to jagex bashing.

 

 

 

I enjoy your writings as well but nobody knows what side you are going to choose with the next article.

 

Lol@remington

 

 

 

I would like to add my bit about the lack of communication with Jagex.

 

 

 

When I sent a message to them one time, I didn't even get a reply back.

 

 

 

Not even an automated,

 

"Thanks for messaging, but we are too busy to read it! bleh bleh"

 

Its 6 in the morning here and I'm not gonna read ur replies until tommorow.. Dunno whats up with your obsessive quoting me and all, but the last thing I have to say for today is that I didn't see you around these forums until the market started getting all shaky, Qeltar. Explain please. Also explain what benefit you get out of all these posts. Other than the clicks to your personal website, that is.

 

nighty night.

 

 

 

So let me paraphrase this for everyone:

 

 

 

"I don't feel like debating any of the points you brought up. It may be because I can't. Or maybe I just don't care.

 

 

 

Why do you keep quoting me? I'm not going to attempt to show why you're wrong, you just ARE.

 

 

 

So instead I'm going to make it sound like you being here is some kind of conspiracy. Then I'm going to attack your real intentions.

 

 

 

Yep. That's all he *EVER* does in my threads, and I'm fed up to the teeth with it.

 

 

 

The moderators don't seem to have any interest in stopping his crapping on my threads, so that leaves me to reply to it and that's exactly what I'm doing.

 

 

 

 

Doomsday scenarios in 1 post, apologizing and jagex butt kissing in the next, now back to jagex bashing.

 

 

 

I enjoy your writings as well but nobody knows what side you are going to choose with the next article.

 

 

 

That's because my positions are based on an analysis of the topic, and not on an agenda to either kiss up to Jagex *or* "hate them" -- regardless of what either side may want to think.

Ah, nice article.

 

Quite a long read though.

 

 

 

It's not very easy for Jagex or whoever to fix the prices with G.E might I note..

 

There are an extremely large amount of items.

 

 

 

Fook: He loves you. That's why he's quoting you.

 

 

 

Which is why Jagex asked us to make them a list.

 

 

 

The VAST majority of prices are right or close enough.

 

 

 

The ones that weren't could have been fixed in the last 3 weeks.

It doesn't. It never does.

 

 

 

Look at the image in the post directly above yours, genius.

 

 

 

Don't try to insult my intelligence. Do you really want me to dig up the other two or three threads where you stated that you were glad PK'ing and staking were gone? In fact, I think I will (Even though it's slightly a waste of time).

 

 

 

Which is why Jagex asked us to make them a list.

 

 

 

The VAST majority of prices are right or close enough.

 

 

 

The ones that weren't could have been fixed in the last 3 weeks.

 

 

 

They asked us to make a list?!

 

Jeez I don't keep up with this stuff.

 

 

 

But yes they have been doing pretty good with the the prices.

 

 

 

The more popular items are at the correct price which is good enough I suppose.

It doesn't. It never does.

 

 

 

Look at the image in the post directly above yours, genius.

 

 

 

Don't try to insult my intelligence. Do you really want me to dig up the other two or three threads where you stated that you were glad PK'ing and staking were gone? In fact, I think I will (Even though it's slightly a waste of time).

 

 

 

Yeah, that would sure be productive... dig up stuff from other threads and post it here. Then for SURE this thread will turn into an off-topic three-ring circus, just the way you like.

 

 

 

Forget it, I am done with this waste of time and effort. And maybe done with posting articles here altogether if this is what's going to happen every single time... thanks to jackasses like you and Fook-A-Ji.

 

 

 

May I ask any moderator who reads this to kindly lock the thread. Thank you.

I don't understand why so many people have to be on one side or the other. Or seem to think others have to be?

 

 

 

I post here on issues, and whether I like parts of them.

 

 

 

But according to some, if I post an anti-update thread then I MUST keep posting them since I obviously hate Jagex.

 

 

 

But I don't.

 

 

 

I LIKE some of the recent update and hate the rest. BUT given a choice of 2 evils, I'll take what in MY opinion is the lesser of the two.

 

 

 

I'm the same way with Qeltar's posts.

 

 

 

Most of the time I can say I agree with him. But I DO disagree with him about high stakes dueling, and the wild, but I can separate my feelings and post accordingly. I feel as long as the game is played WITHOUT breaking the rules alls' fair. Gambling, and paying high prices for rares was never against the rules.

 

 

 

Why do so many here "latch" onto others like blood starved leeches and attack?

 

 

 

On this I agree with him. This should have been postponed till the GE prices were fixed.

 

 

 

BUT after seeing how much this update killed bots and the RWT that used them I AGREE with the 5 percent cap. So I'm pro-Jagex.

 

 

 

But I hate that prices only adjust once a day. So I'm anti Jagex.

 

 

 

But I like that players can't drop trade to pures. So I'm pro Jagex now.

 

 

 

But then I HATE being lied to. So now I'm anti Jagex.

 

 

 

What to DO?

 

 

 

Maybe Qeltar isn't Black or white, maybe he's like a gray, or a plaid?

You can't stop posting them here, this is the only place I can respond to them on.

 

Forget it, I am done with this waste of time and effort. And maybe done with posting articles here altogether if this is what's going to happen every single time... thanks to jackasses like you and Fook-A-Ji.

 

 

 

 

Don't you post your articles for people's opinions and criticism?

 

There will always be 'jackasses' who will criticise your work whether it be bad or good.

 

You can't just expect to get praise for everything.. there's bound to be an argument or flaming :\

Yeah, that would sure be productive... dig up stuff from other threads and post it here. Then for SURE this thread will turn into an off-topic three-ring circus, just the way you like.

 

 

 

It would be productive. I get tired of your blatant hypocrisy. I swear... You flip-flop your positions more than anyone I know. On one-hand you applaud an update even though it blatantly harms a group of people, often times hailing it as 'needed', but on the other hand, when you're in the group that's negatively affected by a specific update, then you'll 'conveniently' switch your argument to whatever stance suits you.

 

 

 

Forget it, I am done with this waste of time and effort. And maybe done with posting articles here altogether if this is what's going to happen every single time... thanks to jackasses like you and Fook-A-Ji.

 

 

 

Spare me the needless insults =; Why post an article if the only thing you're looking for is positive feedback/criticism?

Yeah, that would sure be productive... dig up stuff from other threads and post it here. Then for SURE this thread will turn into an off-topic three-ring circus, just the way you like.

 

 

 

It would be productive. I get tired of your blatant hypocrisy. I swear... You flip-flop your positions more than anyone I know. On one-hand you applaud an update even though it blatantly harms a group of people, often times hailing it as 'needed', but on the other hand, when you're in the group that's negatively affected by a specific update, then you'll 'conveniently' switch your argument to whatever stance suits you.

 

 

 

Forget it, I am done with this waste of time and effort. And maybe done with posting articles here altogether if this is what's going to happen every single time... thanks to jackasses like you and Fook-A-Ji.

 

 

 

Spare me the needless insults =; Why post an article if the only thing you're looking for is positive feedback/criticism?

Um... SHOULDN'T he be looking for positive feedback/criticism? That stuff is used to improve writing; NEGATIVE feedback/criticism is in the nature of "lol u r sO st00pid! LOL!!!"

 

 

Clearly Jagex demands you to put more time into your char, if you wish to see anything pay off in the long run, and I don't blaim them.

 

 

Again, if that's what they want, why don't they SAY SO?

 

 

 

 

 

lets just get down to it, why should they come out and say that? they have nothing to prove and clearly feel they are doing the best for the game.

 

 

 

and what purpose would it serve to confirm or deny that? just for us to know, that we should be using skills to make $?

 

 

 

ive only ever seen "jagex" if not just solely andrew say. something like "...rares meant to be fun not million dollar toys". so in reality, i dont think you would ever get this so called answer.

 

 

 

 

 

why is it, you want to know their plan so badly?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

May I ask any moderator who reads this to kindly lock the thread. Thank you.

 

 

 

well, perhaps maybe changing your title to lock please, or reporting your post would be better then asking in 1 of the how many random posts you written would be more helpful

This isn't about staking either, or merchanting. Again, it's about honesty.

 

I completely agree and I feel the exact way that you do. It's a very well written article and it makes a very good point: Jagex is not treating its customers with respect, it is constantly misinforming and "lying" to them.

 

 

 

I don't know how things happen exactly at Jagex Towers, but I imagine there have been a lot of stress in the past months. I think they were more or less forced to introduce poorly designed and tested features in order to remove RWT. So the updates were rushed, tweaks were made in the last minutes, etc. I really have the impression Jagex has left their "carefully planned" way of doing things (you know, designing an update for months, testing it for several months, etc.) and entered a "release it now, we'll patch it later" way. Unfortunately, it ressembles too much to what a lot of IT companies do :(

 

 

 

Anyway, I disgress. Qeltar, both you and I agreed that Jagex QA does a very poor job and that the players are actually beta-testing the game. And, sooner or later, the player feedback is taken into account. But now it's something different, and I think we agree again: it's not only the QA that doesn't do its job, its the "communication departement" (marketing if you want) too. Or maybe it does it job too well?

 

 

 

Jagex news announcements and KB articles have stopped being funny, have stopped being true to the game. They are marketing-written articles, oriented to sell an update to the players, often misleading them. Some things are left unspoken to be discovered by then angry players while some things are simply wrong, black-on-white lies.

 

 

 

I'll give you two very recent examples from the last two content updates, the Christmas Event and the Scarabas Quest:

 

- the KB originally wrote that fighting (not pelting) other players with snowballs will be available in minigames such as Clan Wars, Duel Arena, Bounty Hunter. It wasn't and the KB article was changed cowardly, without announcement, to remove the corresponding phrases.

 

- the KB originally wrote that a new slayer monster will be available after the quest. It wasn't and the KB was changed after a few hours without announcement.

 

 

 

I can provide proof of this, as I saved the original announcements, if anyone doubts it. Note how the articles never "forget" to mention something appealing for the users. Instead they mention that doesn't exist or they forget to mention the non-appealing things.

 

 

 

Well, anyway, my point is not that mistakes have occurred in the KB articles. It happens. What I don't like is that they modify the articles without announcement. Not even a post on RSOF to say: we were wrong, snowball fights are not possible, stop trying for several hours in all the areas we mentioned. Not even answering a customer support query sent*. Nothing. Instead, "let's pretend we have never said it and hope they'll not notice it". No wonder players have lost their trust in Jagex' policies...

 

 

 

 

 

*I sent a complaint (400 chars long :) ) about the changed KB article telling them I'm dissappointed and I wanted to let them know and that I don't want a reply to it. Well, I did get a reply. The same automatic one everyone got ("holiday season, unable to personalize messages, take this load of crap"). THAT annoyed me the most!

 

 

 

 

 

Eh... to resume a longer post than I intended... I agree with the author of this article, Jagex is treating us worse and worse. And again, we are not talking about the updates, but the communication with their customers. It used to be different...

Locked at author's request.