I am sorry.... but I really resent that...

 

 

Sorry, I didn't mean anything personal by it. It's just simple reality that when you agree to "work" for an entity you give away some of your freedom in exchange. You cannot be as open and honest about Jagex as I can, whether you do it here or not.

 

 

I mearly state that some of the wording you use is unfair, and not only unfair in many cases just one sided wording puts a hell of alot of bias on the readers, artificially changing their opinions.

 

 

What, exactly, did I say that's unfair?

 

 

I would have allot more respect for your opinions if you did it (in this case) in a manner that is not so leading. It can be worded much better in a fashion that lets people come to their own conclusions.... I know you can do it.... I have seen your able to do it.

 

It's not always necessary to have to portray everything in a precisely balanced manner. In the past I have said that I accept Jagex's need to deal with RWT, and even that I understood some of the changes even if i didn't like them. But the way they are handling this is just flat wrong, and I'm not going to mince words over my views just because some people want me to.

Actually, Jagex didn't make an '[wagon]' out of me because...

 

 

 

... you were always an [wagon] to begin with. Now stop trolling my thread.

I liked the article. A good read like the rest. : Many valid points, and it relates to the problems that we all see.

 

Because they already make enough profit without having to inform us. Why ARE you surprised, qeltar, that a company as large as Jagex would see a need to change anything when their profits stay steady and they're calling the shots?

 

 

 

The question was mostly rhetorical. It was asked to make a point, not because I don't know the answer.

 

 

 

It was really dumb of me to assume that you were being naive. Sorry.

 

 

 

But bear in mind that companies that make a habit of considering themselves far more important than their customers often regret it down the road. I was really hoping Jagex was smart enough to avoid those historical pitfalls.

 

 

 

They used to be, per my experience. Times change. They'll probably regret it, though based on what I've seen lately they must not be very concerned about customers and probably more about how many dimes they can squeeze out of them before they've had enough.

There's only one problem... I just sold a dozen chef's delites today in the GE, at the minimum price. \

 

 

 

(Yes, I know it's luck, and not fact, and the other 90% of the time you're like :pray: )

If I don't, who will -- you? I've seen what happens to RSOF mods who speak their minds. You've traded your voice for your precious crown and that's your decision, but it's really your issue, not mine.

 

 

 

 

I am sorry.... but I really resent that...

 

 

 

When posting on the official forums of course I have to watch how I word things as my wording + a mod title can case allot of issues.... but as soon as I feel I am at a stage where the fact that i am a mod means I cannot put my view across in the manner I want I would resign my position.

 

 

 

Jagex encourage us to be our selves, and to have our own views positive or negative. It always seems to be your comeback when I disagree with you that it's because i am an official moderator... well I'm sorry but thats totally false, I disagree with you because I disagree with you.

 

 

 

I am not asking you you change your opinions... you re entitled to them and i am glad you have them.... I am also not asking that you make any major changes....

 

 

 

 

 

I mearly state that some of the wording you use is unfair, and not only unfair in many cases just one sided wording puts a hell of alot of bias on the readers, artificially changing their opinions.

 

 

 

I would have allot more respect for your opinions if you did it (in this case) in a manner that is not so leading. It can be worded much better in a fashion that lets people come to their own conclusions.... I know you can do it.... I have seen your able to do it.

 

 

 

Ahh.....

 

 

 

So if a company is caught in a LIE we can't call it that with-out being sued.

 

 

 

Wow.

 

 

 

Slightly off topic, is this anything like calling a slightly stretched out square a diamond?

I don't complain that r2h's don't cost 1 mil each anymore and that p hats dont cost NOTHING anymore, in a few years, or even MONTHS, people won't care as much as they do now. Jagex knows this.

 

 

 

Prove me wrong 1 year from now Qeltar. I've seen how RS'ers forget pretty much everything after a while and the price changes will affect noone except the merchants still standing around , all bothered that they have nothing to do anymore.

 

 

 

Sorry but thats the real truth.

you spend too much time making these "articles"

 

Because they already make enough profit without having to inform us. Why ARE you surprised, qeltar, that a company as large as Jagex would see a need to change anything when their profits stay steady and they're calling the shots?

 

 

 

The question was mostly rhetorical. It was asked to make a point, not because I don't know the answer.

 

 

 

But bear in mind that companies that make a habit of considering themselves far more important than their customers often regret it down the road. I was really hoping Jagex was smart enough to avoid those historical pitfalls.

Anybody remember Napoleon's attempt to conquer Russia? How about Hitler's attempt the next century?

I don't complain that r2h's don't cost 1 mil each anymore and that p hats dont cost NOTHING anymore, in a few years, or even MONTHS, people won't care as much as they do now. Jagex knows this.

 

 

 

Prove me wrong 1 year from now Qeltar. I've seen how RS'ers forget pretty much everything after a while and the price changes will affect noone except the merchants still standing around , all bothered that they have nothing to do anymore.

 

 

 

Sorry but thats the real truth.

 

 

 

If he doesnt , I will try to help him, The difference is oldies dont care about rare increases. we saw them rise, We all knew bluerose couldnt control the market forever.

 

 

 

However we also know jagex introduced sleeping bags due to player demand, We know they moved the family crest demon from the lava maze to edge dungeon to make it more "fair".

 

The difference is fook , Trade is a different beast, a common gameplay feature all took for granted and maybe enough pitbulls like me who are crazy or stupid enough to remember the jagex of old heard our voices will not drop this topic and let the players forget.

 

 

 

Jagex wants us to with updates, but I will not forget this day

When posting on the official forums of course I have to watch how I word things as my wording + a mod title can case allot of issues.... but as soon as I feel I am at a stage where the fact that i am a mod means I cannot put my view across in the manner I want I would resign my position.

 

 

 

I understand that in a position of respect in a community you have to express yourself in an appropriate manner, however the way forum and player mods are oppressed and abused when they express their mind is an example of how irresponsible a company Jagex is.

 

 

 

Jagex encourage us to be our selves, and to have our own views positive or negative. It always seems to be your comeback when I disagree with you that it's because i am an official moderator... well I'm sorry but thats totally false, I disagree with you because I disagree with you.

 

 

 

I could not disagree more, the way I have seen Jagex official mods react when player and forum mods have expressed their opinions is a symbol of the fact that Jagex would prefer that players trade their opinion for their crowns and I feel that if not for other players concerns Jagex would simply like to silence the views of their player mods in exchange for the perks. It's simply inexcusable.

 

 

 

I mearly state that some of the wording you use is unfair, and not only unfair in many cases just one sided wording puts a hell of alot of bias on the readers, artificially changing their opinions.

 

 

 

The wording he used is in now way unfair. If anything the wording Jagex used when they explained to us that things would get better is unfair. Jagex regularly infuses the players with propaganda in their news posts and in the knowledge base articles that it's simply unfair to request that a player who wishes to express his opinion is unfair.

 

 

 

I would have allot more respect for your opinions if you did it (in this case) in a manner that is not so leading. It can be worded much better in a fashion that lets people come to their own conclusions.... I know you can do it.... I have seen your able to do it.

 

 

 

And we can fairly assume from that conclusion that because we have not seen Jagex publish one news post so far about the recent changes that was not misleading that Jagex is incapable of not using propaganda.

Very nice article queltar. I agree with you 100%

you spend too much time making these "articles"

 

 

 

You spend to much time trolling the forum, shut up please.

 

 

 

And Fook as Das said as long as a few people still remember and continue to poke and prod Jagex, they will either fall or accept that they where wrong.

Good article as usual.

 

 

 

(Your report card for the year was amazing, great work.)

The newest updates aren't even a day old and we get this? A little bit of a rush to judgment I think. This particular article is just a better written rant of a theme we've seen repeatedly over the last few weeks - I want the things fixed that affect me and I want them fixed NOW!

 

 

 

Considering the updates that came out this week and the holiday week that preceded it, it shouldn't be that much of a shock that the GE 'fixes' aren't implemented yet. Anyone familiar with the software development lifecycle certainly isn't surprised.

 

 

 

I know you like to get these articles out in a timely fashion but this one IMO could have waited.

The newest updates aren't even a day old and we get this? A little bit of a rush to judgment I think. This particular article is just a better written rant of a theme we've seen repeatedly over the last few weeks - I want the things fixed that affect me and I want them fixed NOW!

 

 

 

Considering the updates that came out this week and the holiday week that preceded it, it shouldn't be that much of a shock that the GE 'fixes' aren't implemented yet. Anyone familiar with the software development lifecycle certainly isn't surprised.

 

 

 

I know you like to get these articles out in a timely fashion but this one IMO could have waited.

But Jagex announced this update three weeks ago. Plus, they "say" these updates have been in the works for a year or so but look at how out of touch Jagex is with its own players.

I don't complain that r2h's don't cost 1 mil each anymore and that p hats dont cost NOTHING anymore, in a few years, or even MONTHS, people won't care as much as they do now. Jagex knows this.

 

 

 

Prove me wrong 1 year from now Qeltar. I've seen how RS'ers forget pretty much everything after a while and the price changes will affect noone except the merchants still standing around , all bothered that they have nothing to do anymore.

 

 

 

Sorry but thats the real truth.

 

 

 

If he doesnt , I will try to help him, The difference is oldies dont care about rare increases. we saw them rise, We all knew bluerose couldnt control the market forever.

 

 

 

However we also know jagex introduced sleeping bags due to player demand, We know they moved the family crest demon from the lava maze to edge dungeon to make it more "fair".

 

The difference is fook , Trade is a different beast, a common gameplay feature all took for granted and maybe enough pitbulls like me who are crazy or stupid enough to remember the jagex of old heard our voices will not drop this topic and let the players forget.

 

 

 

Jagex wants us to with updates, but I will not forget this day

 

 

 

My post isn't even about trade updates; its about the prices of things, and how people shouldnt complain about the prices of today, since they will be forgotten tommorow (figuratively speaking)

 

 

 

The half-truth is that people are getting worked up alot, cuz they see no more quick money, no more fast deals and cutting corners here and there to making millions.

 

Sure, not being able to give ur friend an expensive items is irritating, but isn't it because one can't get rich in a jiffy, that most are rioting? It all started with staking removed, remember? Staking, only the fastest way to get rich with literally no skills, other than following a duelling guide explaining which stats to train for your level. Mind you the richest stakers weren't even high levelled, furthermore confirming the little amount of time you had to put into your character, to be able to make billions.

 

 

 

Clearly Jagex demands you to put more time into your char, if you wish to see anything pay off in the long run, and I don't blaim them.

 

--

 

 

 

 

 

Also, one should keep in mind, that customer support is customer support. Not an administrative game development center where you send in idea's of what one personally thinks is best for the game. Keep this in mind qeltar, next time you message customer support with what you think Jagex should and should not do with the game they own.

 

 

 

Yes folks, I'm one of those people qeltar refers to as the ones who stick up for jagex through thick and thin.

 

Seems to me like I enjoy the game more though, after all, thats the intention of the game. To enjoy it. Half the people posting here dont seem to enjoy the game, and thats a personal problem, not a company's.

 

If you find yourself running your head into the wall with Jagex, than abandon them, they aren't the ones knocking your door down forcing you to play, nor do they force the $5 out of your hand, and remember, you can pay MONTHLY fee's, so if you get mad at the game and quit like a quitter, you can do it and only "lose" $5.. (just thot I'd mention the $5. It makes some persons feel important)

 

 

 

Now go ahead and tell me I'm a jagex clone. at least I'm not one of those people with a giant cloud above my head whenever i play RS, because it just "pisses me off how jagex keep ruining their game".----- well I say go buy into the company if you're gonna allow yourself to get pissed off on someone elses behalf. at least ur anger will be justified. (let me remind u that $5 a month is not buying into a company, to anyone who might get that idea)

Fook we both know pretty much of the same people and I feel a compromise could be reached, I dont think free trade will ever happen again but a group of small friends who could trade fairly unrestricted would be nice.

 

You know me damn well enough to know I always defended jagex, even fatigue. But this is where I draw my line in the sand

Fook we both know pretty much of the same people and I feel a compromise could be reached, I dont think free trade will ever happen again but a group of small friends who could trade fairly unrestricted would be nice.

 

You know me damn well enough to know I always defended jagex, even fatigue. But this is where I draw my line in the sand

 

 

 

Ya man, only the first two lines were directed to you , if you misunderstood anything :)

 

 

 

I hated fatigue like the plague, in fact the fatigue period was when I pk'ed most and made most noob chars, since I couldnt stand running to a bed or forgetting sleeping bags. I gave up skilling, for pking.

 

But look where we are now, we're not in the fatigue period anymore. I am now doing skills again, and I don't pk (guess why) Times change, and RS will turn for the better, and when that day comes, we can acknowledge the effort against macroers and rwt'ers.

 

 

 

Whoever thinks RS trading system as it is ATM , will stay as it is ATM. is a fool. The whole of RS keeps getting tampered with all the time, and you mentioned, something like a group of small friends who can trade unrestrictedly will most likely pop up in some future update. So chill everybody, and don't get sucked into a stupid trend - hating jagex.

 

My post isn't even about trade updates; its about the prices of things, and how people shouldnt complain about the prices of today, since they will be forgotten tommorow (figuratively speaking)

 

 

My thread isn't specifically about trade updates OR prices.

 

 

 

It's mainly about honesty and consideration for the customers of a product. Now some may think that I get too worked up over things, and maybe they're right. No, it's not the end of the world if I can't buy or sell certain things. But it's such a *waste*. The GE and the game as a whole have such HUGE potential, and they are being mucked up for no good reason. And what's worse is that the people who care the most, the passionate players, are not being listened to.

 

 

It all started with staking removed, remember?

 

 

This isn't about staking either, or merchanting. Again, it's about honesty.

 

 

 

You just don't get it. It seems you may NEVER get it.

 

 

 

You keep going on justifying that Jagex was right to get rid of staking because it was a "way to get rich with literally no skills". But when I posed this EXACT issue to a J mod, I was flatly told that the staking restrictions WERE NOT an effort to stop staking, only RWT.

 

 

 

This is the problem in a nutshell -- a lack of transparency. Nobody really knows what the motivation is. If Jagex really wanted to get rid of staking, why not just say "we don't want high-end staking in our game"? It seems like the motivation, as you say, yet they deny it. So people are left scratching their heads wondering what the hell is going on.

 

 

Clearly Jagex demands you to put more time into your char, if you wish to see anything pay off in the long run, and I don't blaim them.

 

 

Again, if that's what they want, why don't they SAY SO?

 

 

Also, one should keep in mind, that customer support is customer support. Not an administrative game development center where you send in idea's of what one personally thinks is best for the game. Keep this in mind qeltar, next time you message customer support with what you think Jagex should and should not do with the game they own.

 

 

Grow a clue, kid, because you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

 

 

 

I *NEVER* send messages to CS about the game or its features. The exchanges that I documented in my articles were initiated by *Jagex*, not me. They wanted me to give them information. Except their CS function is so fubared that I can't.

 

 

Yes folks, I'm one of those people qeltar refers to as the ones who stick up for jagex through thick and thin.

 

 

Well, what you seem to be is someone who thinks it's cool to try to shout down those who are criticizing the company. Which would be fine if your comments actually had merit -- except that they do not. You spend for more time whining about people like me than I spend documenting legitimate gripes with Jagex.

 

 

Half the people posting here dont seem to enjoy the game, and thats a personal problem, not a company's.

 

 

Wrong. Again, get a clue, because you are making no sense whatsoever.

 

 

Now go ahead and tell me I'm a jagex clone.

 

 

I believe the appropriate term would be "Jagex [wagon]-kisser".

 

 

 

Bear in mind that I don't use that phrase to describe anyone who has anything positive to say about the company. There's much to admire and a lot of good in Jagex Towers. The phrase applies to you because you feel the need to intercede in nearly *ANY* discussion that criticizes Jagex, only you never make logical counter-arguments, you simply flame people with idiotic comments like "it's Jagex's game and they can do what they want" or "oh gee you're so bitter you should quit".

 

 

 

Your comments are childish and counter-productive, the sort of gibberish I used to get on the RSOF. And that's exactly why I mostly don't post there, and hate seeing the same BS here on the Tip.It forums.

 

 

 

Learn to think for yourself. It will serve you well when you grow up.

Fook we both know pretty much of the same people and I feel a compromise could be reached, I dont think free trade will ever happen again but a group of small friends who could trade fairly unrestricted would be nice.

 

You know me damn well enough to know I always defended jagex, even fatigue. But this is where I draw my line in the sand

 

 

 

Ya man, only the first two lines were directed to you , if you misunderstood anything :)

 

 

 

I hated fatigue like the plague, in fact the fatigue period was when I pk'ed most and made most noob chars, since I couldnt stand running to a bed or forgetting sleeping bags. I gave up skilling, for pking.

 

But look where we are now, we're not in the fatigue period anymore. I am now doing skills again, and I don't pk (guess why) Times change, and RS will turn for the better, and when that day comes, we can acknowledge the effort against macroers and rwt'ers.

 

 

 

Whoever thinks RS trading system as it is ATM , will stay as it is ATM. is a fool. The whole of RS keeps getting tampered with all the time, and you mentioned, something like a group of small friends who can trade unrestrictedly will most likely pop up in some future update. So chill everybody, and don't get sucked into a stupid trend - hating jagex.

 

 

 

I only "hate" them temporally because its a much more sloppy company than it used to be, and i use hate sarcasm, I hate who they have become, not who they are. I just wish they would of planned this is as well as say members launch (minus members able to use arrows in free :lol: ) because leaving an update about a big thing like this unfinished is just plain unprofessional. However you are right, most people will forget caught up in the updates of new skill quests and the sort and passified. But i wont be happy until I get some sort of circle of friend ordeal.

 

 

 

I wish we had moderator here to give us some words of wisdom :oops:

 

Whoever thinks RS trading system as it is ATM , will stay as it is ATM. is a fool. The whole of RS keeps getting tampered with all the time, and you mentioned, something like a group of small friends who can trade unrestrictedly will most likely pop up in some future update. So chill everybody, and don't get sucked into a stupid trend - hating jagex.

 

 

 

The real fools would be people who are incapable of understanding the difference between criticism and "hate".

Very good point. If nothing else Jagex should have at least based its pricing off the current averages. Heck looking at the price guides posted all over the web on various help guides would have been 100x better than some of the numbers they've put up.

Its 6 in the morning here and I'm not gonna read ur replies until tommorow.. Dunno whats up with your obsessive quoting me and all, but the last thing I have to say for today is that I didn't see you around these forums until the market started getting all shaky, Qeltar. Explain please. Also explain what benefit you get out of all these posts. Other than the clicks to your personal website, that is.

 

nighty night.

Dunno whats up with your obsessive quoting me and all, but the last thing I have to say for today is that I didn't see you around these forums until the market started getting all shaky, Qeltar. Explain please.

 

 

Okay, my explanation is that you are not terribly observant. I've been around the forums since early 2007.

 

 

 

I've been more active in the last few months, which was around the time the game started going through all the changes. Coincidence, nothing more, and certainly not anything I planned.

 

 

 

This is my thread, it's clearly marked. If you don't like my threads, stay off them and read something else. Your juvenile replies certainly won't be missed.

 

 

Also explain what benefit you get out of all these posts.

 

 

 

The same benefit you get -- except that I have the advantage of actually making intelligent arguments instead of just bleating like a sheep.

 

 

 

No matter how much you whine at me about how poor Jagex is being persecuted, it doesn't negate the points I made, points which you have no ability to refute and so must resort to BS.

 

 

 

Here's another free clue for you, for the next time you decide to justify Jagex nuking staking because it was "too easy to get rich".