Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 First a small quote from DD3: While the skill is neither cheap or expensive to train, high-level familiars will obviously cost more to summon than low-level ones, so players will have to weigh the benefits of each familiar against the cost of summoning them. You read it? Ok, remember it. I know this is a bit early, but I already found out Summoning is RIDICULOUSLY hard and costly. With the Granite Crabs, very slow, you'll still have to pay 210M (only Spirit Shards) to reach 99 Summoning. BUT, not only this, you'll also have to get the Charms. The Charms aren't a 100% drop, drop by 1 from most monsters and for the Granite Crabs you will need around 600.000. No, just no. AND, this is just without the mostly hard to get secundary materials, in this example Iron ores (around 100 ea: extra 60M) Calculation: 7 Shards per pouch. You'll need to make 13.000.000/21.6 = +- 602.000 pouches. 602.000 x 7 shards x 50 ea = 210.648.000 If you would use Yak's all the way, not just from 96, I heard you'll need 300.000 Yak's be made. That's 300.000 Charms, and not just the Golden Charms, but Crimson Charms. I got 6 (!) Crimson Charms in 1.5 hour Fire Giants. Maybe you think I'm a complainer, may be. I love Summoning, but this is just.. out of proportions. I think you CAN'T hype a skill for 2 months, releasing teasers and everything. Making thousands of people hope.. and then let 10 people profit from it, because they're rich enough and willing to grind Fire Giants for years. I'm dissapointed. Very dissapointed. Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I must be in a strangely positive mood today. Good, I am sure that next month they will add some things to make it a bit easier. I don't want it to be easy. As long as I can get around 50 this year, I will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabuli Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Signed... The shards are too expensive. The charms are too hard to get. :| . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flodder450 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 at any it isnt so easy as fletching.......... 99 Firemaking 30-5-2010 | 99 Fletching 13-7-2014 TET-AU member:6-10-2010 - 21-10-2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidus_77 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Why would you use granite crabs to train? There's WAY better exp with later summons 76th to reach 99 Construction on 6th of February 2007379th to reach 99 Runecrafting on 4th of November 2007 Finally the secrets of goal achieving are revealed! (give my guide a read :^_^: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin_ Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't mind all the money, the Charms are just lame to get -.-. Some people dream of success, while others make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Why would you use granite crabs to train? There's WAY better exp Even more expensive. This is one of the cheapest ways. And if 270M+ the cheapest way is to train a skill, then it's really scary. Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777thzapster Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 considering we don't know the best possible way to train a skill that is less than 3 hours old, you are making quick judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 considering we don't know the best possible way to train a skill that is less than 3 hours old, you are making quick judgements. I know how to calculate, and I think I'm experienced enough to know the most secundaries are impossible to get in larger amounts. Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 considering we don't know the best possible way to train a skill that is less than 3 hours old, you are making quick judgements. Exactly, wait until next month when we get another update. I am sure by the end of the week we will have ways to train this both cheap and effeciently (not necessarily the same way). It will just take more than a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubstrublm Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 dude, i just sold al my 220 chickenpouches for about 200ea. I sold the granite crab pouches too, the sell for even more than 200ea. That saves alot of money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here. Prayer is possible without spending anything at all. If you buy Dragon Bones with the best altar, it will cost you 80M. Smithing as well. And Smithing 99 with buying the ores and selling the products will not even cost 100M, even if you would use the most expensive way, gold bars. Some difference :/? Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here. Prayer is possible without spending anything at all. Smithing as well. And Smithing 99 with buying the ores and selling the products will not even cost 100M, even if you would use the most expensive way, gold bars. yes and it hasn't always been like that. So maybe give it some time and other oppurtunities will surface of how to level summoning. The skill is not even 24 hours old and you complain already? you've been hanging out with qeltar too much :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all. The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose. But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things. Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here. Prayer is possible without spending anything at all. Smithing as well. And Smithing 99 with buying the ores and selling the products will not even cost 100M, even if you would use the most expensive way, gold bars. yes and it hasn't always been like that. So maybe give it some time and other oppurtunities will surface of how to level summoning. The skill is not even 24 hours old and you complain already? you've been hanging out with qeltar too much :P All things will be improved. I remember trying to train prayer without ectofungus or guilded altar. It took forever. Think of how slow herb is. I like this. It is going to be legend..wait for it..ary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Ruined because you can't afford 99 summoning? Sorry but I don't see that as ruining a skill for everybody. Besides, no one knows how summoning looks like in 1 month from now, or 2 months from now. Half the monsters in summoning will be released in February, remember? I don't suppose you expected to get 99 in a months period of time? Herblaw is soon 6 year old skill, look how FEW have 99 compared to amount of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenkana Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all. The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose. But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.Has anyone noticed that the "skilling" monster benefits don't seem so great? I mean, not great enough to be worth the summons? If the CORPORAL beast is this hard, imagine how hard a GENERAL or COLONEL beast would be. a corporal is not even an admirable rank in armies that use that ranking system. Yeah, it is a pking minigame, so any arguments anybody makes will probably be biased.The best way this will end :Everybody just says,"I'm not arguing with you anymore, goodbye."The worst way this will end: I don't really know, psychological warfare? Worldwide thermonuclear war? Pie eating contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all. The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose. But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.Has anyone noticed that the "skilling" monster benefits don't seem so great? I mean, not great enough to be worth the summons? 50% of monsters in summoning are withheld until February. So this thread is based on a virtually 50% released skill, which isn't enough for me to believe the skill is already ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Ruined because you can't afford 99 summoning? Sorry but I don't see that as ruining a skill for everybody. Besides, no one knows how summoning looks like in 1 month from now, or 2 months from now. Half the monsters in summoning will be released in February, remember? I don't suppose you expected to get 99 in a months period of time? Herblaw is soon 6 year old skill, look how FEW have 99 compared to amount of players. Umm, I can't afford? I got a Red Partyhat + 40M cash, but that has not something to do with this. I just can't stand that I can train Cs 99 for the same money as Summoning lvl 80, and without all the hassle for Charms. And why release a skill when 90% of the Rs population even can't afford lvl 60? Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 And why release a skill when 90% of the Rs population even can't afford lvl 60? I can see why, I'm sure alot of others can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwreeTak Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I think Jagex will make it easier to get to the high summoning levels with the February updates. And I also thinks that it will be easier to get much xp as you get higher and higher Summoning level. Like for the most of the skills in RS I think it will be easier to gain fast xp as you get higher levels. Summoning will probalby not be the easiest skill to train, and far away from the cheapest, but it won't be impossible to get a 99 in it. Add me if you so wish: SwreeTak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabuli Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I think Jagex will make it easier to get to the high summoning levels with the February updates. And I also thinks that it will be easier to get much xp as you get higher and higher Summoning level. Like for the most of the skills in RS I think it will be easier to gain fast xp as you get higher levels. Summoning will probalby not be the easiest skill to train, and far away from the cheapest, but it won't be impossible to get a 99 in it. Yes faster but more expensive. spiritual shards (or something like that) cost 50ea and most of the higher level summons reguire a [cabbage]load of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind_you0 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Please give me a reason then, because I don't see it. Why would you release "the best skill ever" without make sure there's at least one good training monster. Yeah, Februari will give us good training opportunities. Like they tried to give us a Lootshare which actually shares the loot before the trading cap. So we got a skill, and if we want a possibility to train it in a practical way, we need to wait ANOTHER month. First create the skill in 2 (!) years, and then just make sure 90% of the people in Runescape don't train it over 50. And there will be a lot gold out the economy, while the main money incoming is stopped, because of the ridiculous price for Yew Longs. Here's my blog: restoring it soon | Achieved 99 Crafting Quoting yourself is laaaaame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenkana Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all. The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose. But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.Has anyone noticed that the "skilling" monster benefits don't seem so great? I mean, not great enough to be worth the summons? 50% of monsters in summoning are withheld until February. So this thread is based on a virtually 50% released skill, which isn't enough for me to believe the skill is already ruined.Where is that found again? If the CORPORAL beast is this hard, imagine how hard a GENERAL or COLONEL beast would be. a corporal is not even an admirable rank in armies that use that ranking system. Yeah, it is a pking minigame, so any arguments anybody makes will probably be biased.The best way this will end :Everybody just says,"I'm not arguing with you anymore, goodbye."The worst way this will end: I don't really know, psychological warfare? Worldwide thermonuclear war? Pie eating contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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