Summoning yes, but not like this.

[Ravenkana]

Crafting is an easy cape.

 

 

 

hows about we get a non buyable and EARN some respect.

 

 

 

just a thought,

 

Summoning IS a non buyable, wich costs 210 million gp, to get like what, 5k xp an hour. Once you get 99 summoning after 2 months of extreme nolifing 24/7 ( If you are still alive ) , you get an awesome ability to summon a monster wich hits...

 

 

 

 

With the joy of having to collect our own charms I think it will take longer than 2 months.

 

 

 

 

 

I'll take a stab and say we need 50,000 charms minimum for level 99? 50,000 monsters to kill, and that's also assuming they drop the correct charm.

 

 

 

This is going to be one heck of a challenging skill to raise, I hope Jagex makes it possible to make these charms in a future quest or something because at the moment the thought of it makes me shudder.

 

 

 

Atleast it gives more incentive to do slayer, you can probably pick up about 70 or so charms on a good trip along with combat and slayer experience.

It wouldn't be so hard to make charms a craftable item... you could then enchant the basic gold charm with the magic skill...

[joey11223]

i don't see it as too much of a problem.

 

 

 

I think being 99 in any skill should take a very long time and require a lot of effort. Being able to do anything in s skill should be very respectable and a lot of work should have gone into it.

 

 

 

If you can power level to 99 in a skill in two weeks, does 99 really mean anything anymore?

[darkjab]

i don't see it as too much of a problem.

 

 

 

I think being 99 in any skill should take a very long time and require a lot of effort. Being able to do anything in s skill should be very respectable and a lot of work should have gone into it.

 

 

 

If you can power level to 99 in a skill in two weeks, does 99 really mean anything anymore?

 

 

 

I think most of us don't really want to power level to 99, we just want it to be reasonable.

 

 

 

- Spending over 200m

 

- Killing over 600k monsters

 

- Repetitive walking from a bank to an obelisk, tele-ing, rinse and repeat for like 21,000 trips (random number pulled from my behind)

 

 

 

Maybe if those were just a standalone thing it would be reasonable, but you have to do all three in order to get a level 99.

 

 

 

- Your raising a skill that's marginally faster that prayer if you collected your own bones (heck it may even be slower).

 

- Your raising a skill that has the most boring and tedious part of construction - plank making (but without a spell that can make it easier)

 

- You are also having to pay out to level, you have no choice of doing it for free.

 

 

 

What's worse is this is called summoning yet all the experience your gaining is from making mass pouches. Your making more pouches then you'd probably ever need of a summoning and there's no point in summoning the creature because it provides little benefit other than looking nice by your side for a few mins.

 

 

 

We should be getting experience for actually summoning, not for being able to walk from a to b and make x then repeat with absolutely no benefit.

[Smavey]

The poster of this thread is making exactly the same mistake as some other foolish poster back when rcing came out.

 

 

 

in the first day of rcing, someone made heavy calculations of how long it would take to get to lvl 99, and with accurate calculations, he calculated it to take 2 years of constant rcing.

 

 

 

but he calculated this by rcing earths (which were the fastest way to lvl at the time).

 

 

 

 

 

so do you see the simularity? Over time, lots and lots of faster and cheaper methods came to rcing making it a skill easy to level and easy to make millions off of!

[Ravenkana]

The poster of this thread is making exactly the same mistake as some other foolish poster back when rcing came out.

 

 

 

in the first day of rcing, someone made heavy calculations of how long it would take to get to lvl 99, and with accurate calculations, he calculated it to take 2 years of constant rcing.

 

 

 

but he calculated this by rcing earths (which were the fastest way to lvl at the time).

 

 

 

 

 

so do you see the simularity? Over time, lots and lots of faster and cheaper methods came to rcing making it a skill easy to level and easy to make millions off of!

But that was Runecrafting. This... is... SUMMONING!!! Summoning, as far as I can see, has NO profit margin. All you do is lose your lovely gold.

[TheAncient]

I agree with the original poster.

 

 

 

The scroll system is an unrealistic expectation of players from Jagex.

 

 

 

I did some base estimates for the costs of various scrolls, and to my dismay found out that their gp pricing is absolutely ridiculous. Many of them are so impractical I have a hard time seeing them being used in a widespread context.

 

 

 

The actual monsters themselves seem only minimally useful in combat, especially for their high cost. Their somewhat low level also renders them near useless against high-end monsters such as the GWD bosses.

[Zygimantas]

thats great... zezima will have something to do

[Captainkidd]

Yes it is a very large cost, but remeber jagex is coming out with another section of the skill, maybe this is require a cheaper way (down to around construction..)

[muggiwhplar]

i agree with behind.

 

 

 

they did say it wont e as exspensive as con -.-

 

 

 

btw. interesting teori:

 

jagex will first release the good training pouchs next month, so meny ppl blow lots of cash in the first mounth :wink: jagex is open about they wont cash out of the game :D

 

 

 

The lowest level unreleased pouch is 17, meaning you need to inevitably blow 100k to get to 16 with the already-released pouches

[Kenshinjapan]

No way! A skill that makes it possible for there not to be 30 maxed players?! OH NO!!![/sarcasm]

 

 

 

It's a good thing so now the game seems a little bit harder. Besides, everyone complained that runescape was too easy and childish. Well you got your wish, and now you're complaining it's too hard?! #-o

 

 

 

p.s.

 

 

 

thats great... zezima will have something to do

 

 

 

jerk

[Artemis1330]

Personally, I think it's too soon to make 100% assumptions. Another large summoning update is coming next month, and the skill has not been out 24 hours.

 

 

 

However, with current methods and calculations, for me and nearly all my friends list, it's a lame skill. I have a 500m gps bank. To some, that's a lot, to others, they can crap 500m in a second. Even so, if I had a 20B gps bank, I wouldnt see the reason to pay 100m to summon a beast that raises def, or can hit a 16 once, etc.

 

 

 

The way the skill seems now, it's no wonder the same person that created slayer (or at least had a very large part of it) created this skill. It is slow, and over time the best way to get charms is general slaying. Of course you could camp at npcs and cannon charms also, but you can cannon slayer tasks as well, thus getting charms.

 

 

 

Over all, I see it as fairly useless so far. Riase combat? So what, how does this skill have anyhting to do with combat? You can't do anything at level 138 that a 126 couldn't do (combat wise). The current familars are pretty useless as well. The time/cost factor to get them is not worth the effects. I'd rather bank more, drink a pot, or hit that extra 8 damage my self lol.

[decebal]

I heard you can get some xp from the monster fighting (10 hits=1 xp)

 

 

 

Not much, but it does help once you hit your budget.

[phata_elise]

thats great... zezima will have something to do

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up.

 

 

 

 

 

Should a skill cost so much to lvl? I don't know and it's not really important. I know I will never have the cash to get a decent lvl in summoning with the current system. Besides that, I don't even see the great advantages of having a high summoning lvl, so why bother getting the cash in the first place? The familiars seem to lack the power to really make a difference in combat and most of the game is single combat anyway.

 

 

 

This skill seems more about a challenge for the extreme hardcore runescape players, than something fun and useful to do in a game. I have the feeling that many many players are disappointed. At least I know I am...

[Dragonlordjl]

I just don't get their reasoning with this... They adamantly refuse to bring out quests or equipment with requirements over 80 because "it would only appeal to a small percentage of people." Then, they come out with an entire skill, Summoning, that only appeals to maybe 2% of all RS players. Only those who were good at staking before it was taken away, those who got P hats for cheap a long time ago, or those few really good merchants will be able to get anywhere with this skill. It's ridiculous. For a skill to cost over 200m minimum REGARDLESS and be AS SLOW AS RUNECRAFTING to level is totally asinine, especially for the marginal benefits the skill has to offer. It might be better come February, but currently, there is no incentive to raise it and furthermore, it's not possible for more than 2% of the RS populous to raise it.

 

 

 

Seriously, I don't know if acquiring that new CEO from Paypal has anything to do with this, but ever since he came to Jagex, they have released boneheaded update after boneheaded update. Even for Jagex, these updates have had an unprecedented "suck" factor.

[Nintendo01]

I haven't checked out the RSOF yet (assuming riots in the rants forum based on the costs), but I think I'll wait till the second half of the familiars are released until judging the skill. Personally, I do think that the shards could be cheaper. Why are pouches, which you need one of per familiar, cost 1/50 of a shard, which you need minimum 7 per familiar. And the amount of shards needed is multiplied by the apparent rarity of the charm needed :shock: Weird...

 

 

 

Hmm, maybe I need to take back the part about not judging the skill yet :-k

[SonicSilver]

It's disgusting, the skill is based on the pouch making and should be revolved around the fun of the skill itself. The money that is needed is the worse idea since RuneScapewas born. I have never been so disappointed in all of my 7 years of RuneScape.

 

 

 

At least make the XP low but involved with fighting monsters, so that it's hard to train but don't limit it to people who have billions of gp only. I play this game about three hours a day, how am I meant to train the skill at all?

[TheAncient]

I think people are blowing it out of proportion. It's an expensive skill, yes, but it's useful. It's like prayer.

 

 

 

A lot of decent familiars (lvl 60-80) are accessible in the lvl 50-70 range, which I expect most people to train to. It's not a skill only for the wealthy. Think about it: how much are you willing to pay to have the firepower of a level 70, 80, or 90 fighting with you?

 

 

 

I think Jagex did a good job between balancing the difficulty of the skill and the practicality. It's well worth it up to level 80, and past that is just for the skill cape / skilling.

 

 

 

The only major drawback is that many of the scrolls are too expensive to be useful, as I say again.

 

 

 

I will personally be stopping at 80. From initial estimates, I will like this skill. It's complex, it's mildly fun, it's useful, it's not something any ordinary noob can do.

[Robert_de_Sable]

You know what?

 

I like this skill.

 

And I'm not going to let people who thought that this would be easy ruin it for me. I'm sorry, but this is a great skill. If you don't like it, don't bother getting the skillcape for it.

[wakka102]

did anybody take into account that they are updating the skill next month? they stated they were going to double the size of the skill next month so maybe it will get easier? Just me though haha, I haven't even logged in today so I have no idea how hard it is to train.

[angry555]

first of all i think that jagex was aiming for this skill to be more of a hard work skill then anything

 

second getting 99 actualy only costs 45mill if u buy ur way, sure most people dont have 45mill but it isnt absolutely necessary to get 99 summoning anyways but like already mentioned dont complain about a skill that isnt even a day old yet

[mainiac2k3]

without it being costly or hard, summoning would just be another skill like cooking. Thered be nothing to it. We already see about 20 or 30 people with total overall lvl before summoning, and summoning aims to even that out.

[Flobberdude]

As sseli said, it's not useless for anybody below level 90. To list examples (unfortunately the good ones are all skill-based):

 

 

 

Compost Mound: Level 28.

 

 

 

It costs only 47 skill shards; 2.5K. Plus a green charm, and a bucket of compost.

 

 

 

You can have this creature temporarily boost your farming level, by 1 if it's under 25, by 2 if it's from 25 to 75, and by 3 if it's over 75. It will also randomly create types of composts, and different seeds, which are quite useful when Farming (no der, you need seeds to plant something.) If you are OK with dealing it 2 damage each time, you can fill compost from it. Not only that, but it can fight, as a level 41. It's special move, perhaps the second best of its features (after the seed gathering), will fill a nearby compost bin with compost; that's 15 buckets. It might even do supercompost!

 

 

 

For those with 1 or 2 green thumbs, and 1 or 2 green charms, this is extremely useful.

 

 

 

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Beaver: Level 33.

 

 

 

72 spirit shards, a green charm, and some willow logs. That's 3.6k for the shards.

 

 

 

All the time it's around, your woodcutting level is boosted by 2. It automatically generates logs at some rate near trees, and near magic trees, maybe magic logs. You can save one inventory space fletching, because it's used as a knife, and its special move quickly chops three logs. If you do it near magic trees (especially since you can repeat it without a new pouch), that compensates mostly for the cost, so it's not that expensive.

 

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Macaw: Level 41. 4k's worth of materials (guam, 78 shards), and a green charm. (Does green charm mean skill-based?)

 

 

 

It can gather an herb, and when it's around, you get herb drops more often. With the special move, you might generate an herb. Not nearly as good as the beaver, but worth mention. Also, you get the remote view, which seems cool. :P

 

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Grr, after re-reading my post, I sound too much Jagex; making things out to be more than they are. They're good, but not THAT good. -.-

 

 

 

I'm not saying the skill is good, let alone what they were making it out to be. I'm just pointing out that through the midlevels, it's not entirely useless. It's still useless in low levels, but when has any skill been really useful in the low levels?

 

++++++++++++++++++

 

 

 

BTW, since bloated toads are relatively easy to obtain, I think that barker toads are good for high-level training (must have level 66): 87 xp/500 gp:

 

Just under 6 gp/xp. Then again, it's in such small increments/charm that I could be horribly wrong, having never trained a high-level skill.

[SonicSilver]

If you don't like it, don't bother getting the skillcape for it.

 

 

 

Are you sure you don't mean:

 

 

 

If you don't have 200,000,000 coins, don't bother getting the skillcape for it.

[Flobberdude]

If you don't like it, don't bother getting the skillcape for it.

 

 

 

Are you sure you don't mean:

 

 

 

If you don't have 200,000,000 coins, don't bother getting the skillcape for it.

 

 

 

By the time you've spent about 100mil, they'll probably have made a new update, making it so you only need to spent 50mil more. Just a guess, because it'll take a LONG time to get all the charms needed to use with 100mil's worth of shards.

[Zygimantas]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats great... zezima will have something to do

 

 

 

jerk

 

 

 

 

 

I'm serious.. it won't be easy getting 99... he'll have something to do