First a small quote from DD3:

 

 

 

While the skill is neither cheap or expensive to train, high-level familiars will obviously cost more to summon than low-level ones, so players will have to weigh the benefits of each familiar against the cost of summoning them.

 

 

 

You read it? Ok, remember it.

 

 

 

I know this is a bit early, but I already found out Summoning is RIDICULOUSLY hard and costly.

 

 

 

With the Granite Crabs, very slow, you'll still have to pay 210M (only Spirit Shards) to reach 99 Summoning. BUT, not only this, you'll also have to get the Charms. The Charms aren't a 100% drop, drop by 1 from most monsters and for the Granite Crabs you will need around 600.000. No, just no.

 

AND, this is just without the mostly hard to get secundary materials, in this example Iron ores (around 100 ea: extra 60M)

 

 

 

Calculation:

 

7 Shards per pouch. You'll need to make 13.000.000/21.6 = +- 602.000 pouches.

 

 

 

602.000 x 7 shards x 50 ea = 210.648.000

 

 

 

If you would use Yak's all the way, not just from 96, I heard you'll need 300.000 Yak's be made. That's 300.000 Charms, and not just the Golden Charms, but Crimson Charms. I got 6 (!) Crimson Charms in 1.5 hour Fire Giants.

 

 

 

Maybe you think I'm a complainer, may be. I love Summoning, but this is just.. out of proportions.

 

 

 

I think you CAN'T hype a skill for 2 months, releasing teasers and everything. Making thousands of people hope.. and then let 10 people profit from it, because they're rich enough and willing to grind Fire Giants for years.

 

 

 

I'm dissapointed. Very dissapointed.

I must be in a strangely positive mood today. Good, I am sure that next month they will add some things to make it a bit easier. I don't want it to be easy. As long as I can get around 50 this year, I will be happy.

Signed...

 

 

 

The shards are too expensive. The charms are too hard to get.

 

 

 

:| .

at any it isnt so easy as fletching..........

Why would you use granite crabs to train? There's WAY better exp with later summons

I don't mind all the money, the Charms are just lame to get -.-.

Why would you use granite crabs to train? There's WAY better exp

 

Even more expensive. This is one of the cheapest ways.

 

 

 

And if 270M+ the cheapest way is to train a skill, then it's really scary.

considering we don't know the best possible way to train a skill that is less than 3 hours old, you are making quick judgements.

considering we don't know the best possible way to train a skill that is less than 3 hours old, you are making quick judgements.

 

I know how to calculate, and I think I'm experienced enough to know the most secundaries are impossible to get in larger amounts.

considering we don't know the best possible way to train a skill that is less than 3 hours old, you are making quick judgements.

 

 

 

Exactly, wait until next month when we get another update. I am sure by the end of the week we will have ways to train this both cheap and effeciently (not necessarily the same way). It will just take more than a few hours.

Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here.

dude, i just sold al my 220 chickenpouches for about 200ea. I sold the granite crab pouches too, the sell for even more than 200ea. That saves alot of money!

Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here.

 

Prayer is possible without spending anything at all. If you buy Dragon Bones with the best altar, it will cost you 80M. Smithing as well. And Smithing 99 with buying the ores and selling the products will not even cost 100M, even if you would use the most expensive way, gold bars.

 

 

 

Some difference :/?

Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here.

 

Prayer is possible without spending anything at all. Smithing as well. And Smithing 99 with buying the ores and selling the products will not even cost 100M, even if you would use the most expensive way, gold bars.

 

 

 

yes and it hasn't always been like that. So maybe give it some time and other oppurtunities will surface of how to level summoning. The skill is not even 24 hours old and you complain already? you've been hanging out with qeltar too much :P

I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all.

 

 

 

The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose.

 

 

 

But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.

Try getting 99 prayer without burying bones urself, or 99 smithing without mining thats easily 400 mil ur paying, nothing is new here.

 

Prayer is possible without spending anything at all. Smithing as well. And Smithing 99 with buying the ores and selling the products will not even cost 100M, even if you would use the most expensive way, gold bars.

 

 

 

yes and it hasn't always been like that. So maybe give it some time and other oppurtunities will surface of how to level summoning. The skill is not even 24 hours old and you complain already? you've been hanging out with qeltar too much :P

 

 

 

All things will be improved. I remember trying to train prayer without ectofungus or guilded altar. It took forever. Think of how slow herb is. I like this. It is going to be legend..wait for it..ary.

Ruined because you can't afford 99 summoning? Sorry but I don't see that as ruining a skill for everybody. Besides, no one knows how summoning looks like in 1 month from now, or 2 months from now. Half the monsters in summoning will be released in February, remember? I don't suppose you expected to get 99 in a months period of time?

 

Herblaw is soon 6 year old skill, look how FEW have 99 compared to amount of players.

I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all.

 

 

 

The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose.

 

 

 

But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.

Has anyone noticed that the "skilling" monster benefits don't seem so great? I mean, not great enough to be worth the summons?

I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all.

 

 

 

The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose.

 

 

 

But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.

Has anyone noticed that the "skilling" monster benefits don't seem so great? I mean, not great enough to be worth the summons?

 

 

 

50% of monsters in summoning are withheld until February.

 

So this thread is based on a virtually 50% released skill, which isn't enough for me to believe the skill is already ruined.

Ruined because you can't afford 99 summoning? Sorry but I don't see that as ruining a skill for everybody. Besides, no one knows how summoning looks like in 1 month from now, or 2 months from now. Half the monsters in summoning will be released in February, remember? I don't suppose you expected to get 99 in a months period of time?

 

Herblaw is soon 6 year old skill, look how FEW have 99 compared to amount of players.

 

 

 

Umm, I can't afford? I got a Red Partyhat + 40M cash, but that has not something to do with this.

 

 

 

I just can't stand that I can train Cs 99 for the same money as Summoning lvl 80, and without all the hassle for Charms.

 

 

 

And why release a skill when 90% of the Rs population even can't afford lvl 60?

 

 

 

And why release a skill when 90% of the Rs population even can't afford lvl 60?

 

 

 

I can see why, I'm sure alot of others can see why.

I think Jagex will make it easier to get to the high summoning levels with the February updates. And I also thinks that it will be easier to get much xp as you get higher and higher Summoning level. Like for the most of the skills in RS I think it will be easier to gain fast xp as you get higher levels.

 

Summoning will probalby not be the easiest skill to train, and far away from the cheapest, but it won't be impossible to get a 99 in it.

I think Jagex will make it easier to get to the high summoning levels with the February updates. And I also thinks that it will be easier to get much xp as you get higher and higher Summoning level. Like for the most of the skills in RS I think it will be easier to gain fast xp as you get higher levels.

 

Summoning will probalby not be the easiest skill to train, and far away from the cheapest, but it won't be impossible to get a 99 in it.

 

 

 

Yes faster but more expensive.

 

 

 

spiritual shards (or something like that) cost 50ea and most of the higher level summons reguire a [cabbage]load of them...

Please give me a reason then, because I don't see it. Why would you release "the best skill ever" without make sure there's at least one good training monster.

 

 

 

Yeah, Februari will give us good training opportunities. Like they tried to give us a Lootshare which actually shares the loot before the trading cap. So we got a skill, and if we want a possibility to train it in a practical way, we need to wait ANOTHER month.

 

 

 

First create the skill in 2 (!) years, and then just make sure 90% of the people in Runescape don't train it over 50. And there will be a lot gold out the economy, while the main money incoming is stopped, because of the ridiculous price for Yew Longs.

I don't always agree with Qeltar, I'm not a complainer at all.

 

 

 

The trading updates affected me as everyone else. I DK'ed alot, it's quite impossible to share now. I never said a word about it, I just thought, it's for a good purpose.

 

 

 

But I have to complain about a great Skill, which is ruined by this kind of things.

Has anyone noticed that the "skilling" monster benefits don't seem so great? I mean, not great enough to be worth the summons?

 

 

 

50% of monsters in summoning are withheld until February.

 

So this thread is based on a virtually 50% released skill, which isn't enough for me to believe the skill is already ruined.

Where is that found again?