Right. Maple logs are 1.5x faster than willows and only 20 gp or so more per log. You save about 50 hours on 99 fm by using maples, at the cost of what, 2m gp? If 2m gp is worth 50 hours to you, you're not valuing your time very highly. That's 50k/hr. And this applies to f2p too. Hence why people don't use willows.

im 99 Wc, Trained it on willows and got 118K Willows. So if everyone does this, millions of willows are in circulation. = Price drop.

 

Except for p2p users they aren't going to be using willows, willows aren't the fastest, and when the vast majority learn this in the 8-12 months I've said, they are going to switch.

 

 

 

He may be talking about Eucalyptus trees or Arctic Pine (good exp, fairly close to a bank)

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Wait 8-12 months and they will go back up to 25-30gp.

 

I'd love to know where you had a spontaneous thought where Willow logs jump up 60% in a year - only a great demand would cause such a dramatic price increase.

 

 

 

There's so many willows because people chopped them for 99 wcing, and then the influx of autoed-willows is still around but it's decreasing.

 

 

 

Willows are no longer the fastest to train on, so there isn't going to be that huge input from general woodcutters. I'm also assuming that autoers aren't coming back either.

 

 

 

The demand is going to rise back up.

 

Practically every bot who trained to get to 60 woodcutting for yews USED Willows to level up on. You need to cut approximately 3.8k willows from level 30 to get to level 60. Multiply that by the number of woodcutting RWT'ers there were and you have a vast number. That's just considering the RWT'ers. What about the people who normally train woodcutting? There are so many of them in F2P, you'll never see a Willow tree empty (yes, even the single on in Edgeville is seldom seen empty) Willows are indeed the fastest to train on in F2P, and in P2P even that question is debatable. As Hohto said, Teaks are faster, but are nowhere near a bank - so Willows in my opinion still stand as predominantly the greatest xp/hour rate in both F2P and P2P. Keep in mind that the majority of P2P players don't even bother training woodcutting - and those who do are seen spotted in the Barbarian Outpost location, utilizing the Deposit box, which makes woodcutting that little much easier. I don't know where you're pulling out from that the demand for Willows are going to raise but as it stands, the only main purpose for Willow logs is to burn them for exp. Even that, it's considered obsolete as Maple logs are the way to go today, being cheap and offering a big exp difference from Willow logs. I see no demand in Willow logs and cannot see the supply diminishing in the near future. No one buys Willows, everyone sells it - it's how it is.

 

 

 

 

Except for p2p users they aren't going to be using willows, willows aren't the fastest, and when the vast majority learn this in the 8-12 months I've said, they are going to switch.

 

As explained above, Willows are still considered the top grossing xp/hour rates in both F2P and P2P, teaks have obvious flaws which include that you either have to drop them or burn them. I find that the xp/hour rates at the Barbarian Outpost Willows still dominates any teak cutting.

 

 

 

However, I'd like to know besides those outlined points you've given as why you are so confident that Willows, a now obsolete item is going to given so much priority and shoot up 60% in its price when really periodically their price has just been going lower and lower, never up.

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I don't you why you're saying that there is not a single free willow tree in f2p empty, because that is completly false. I can name atleast 3-4 trees in one spot that are almost never taken.

I don't see why you guys are discussing this. It's just supply and demand, and willows have alot of supply and zero demand. I doubt they will go up anytime soon, because nobody uses them anymore, except low leveled fletchers who move on maple and yew, and poor firemakers that can't afford maple or something above.

Not only are there too many of them in the economy, they just have no use. Slow training, and maples are alot faster for such a cheap price.

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Wait 8-12 months and they will go back up to 25-30gp.

 

I'd love to know where you had a spontaneous thought where Willow logs jump up 60% in a year - only a great demand would cause such a dramatic price increase.

 

 

 

There's so many willows because people chopped them for 99 wcing, and then the influx of autoed-willows is still around but it's decreasing.

 

 

 

Willows are no longer the fastest to train on, so there isn't going to be that huge input from general woodcutters. I'm also assuming that autoers aren't coming back either.

 

 

 

The demand is going to rise back up.

 

Practically every bot who trained to get to 60 woodcutting for yews USED Willows to level up on. You need to cut approximately 3.8k willows from level 30 to get to level 60. Multiply that by the number of woodcutting RWT'ers there were and you have a vast number. That's just considering the RWT'ers. What about the people who normally train woodcutting? There are so many of them in F2P, you'll never see a Willow tree empty (yes, even the single on in Edgeville is seldom seen empty) Willows are indeed the fastest to train on in F2P, and in P2P even that question is debatable. As Hohto said, Teaks are faster, but are nowhere near a bank - so Willows in my opinion still stand as predominantly the greatest xp/hour rate in both F2P and P2P. Keep in mind that the majority of P2P players don't even bother training woodcutting - and those who do are seen spotted in the Barbarian Outpost location, utilizing the Deposit box, which makes woodcutting that little much easier. I don't know where you're pulling out from that the demand for Willows are going to raise but as it stands, the only main purpose for Willow logs is to burn them for exp. Even that, it's considered obsolete as Maple logs are the way to go today, being cheap and offering a big exp difference from Willow logs. I see no demand in Willow logs and cannot see the supply diminishing in the near future. No one buys Willows, everyone sells it - it's how it is.

 

 

 

 

Except for p2p users they aren't going to be using willows, willows aren't the fastest, and when the vast majority learn this in the 8-12 months I've said, they are going to switch.

 

As explained above, Willows are still considered the top grossing xp/hour rates in both F2P and P2P, teaks have obvious flaws which include that you either have to drop them or burn them. I find that the xp/hour rates at the Barbarian Outpost Willows still dominates any teak cutting.

 

 

 

However, I'd like to know besides those outlined points you've given as why you are so confident that Willows, a now obsolete item is going to given so much priority and shoot up 60% in its price when really periodically their price has just been going lower and lower, never up.

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I don't you why you're saying that there is not a single free willow tree in f2p empty, because that is completly false. I can name atleast 3-4 trees in one spot that are almost never taken.

 

I thought that you would be able to infer my point and to dissect that what I implied was that all the popular spots for training would be filled. Honestly, did you think I was implying about the odd Willow tree in the middle of nowhere? (Sorry if that meant to sound rude - I really didn't mean to sound rude so in exchange here's a bunch of silly smilies)

 

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Somebody should set up an event where everybody who participates trains to 99 Firemaking.

 

 

 

This would eat up willows and drive the price up.

why sell?

 

Just burn for free xp

 

If you have high(ish) firemake level (70+), and use willows to 99 wc, you get enough logs normally to get 99 fm...problem solved \

 

99 Wc AND 99 FM, thats a double Wammy \

Willows, as already mentioned, don't have any other purpose in the game besides quick Woodcutting experience. When I am forced into a sabbatical, I'll probably get 90-95 WC there. As such, I'll be bringing in tens of thousands of the logs into an over-saturated market. But uh...Hohto did a very nice job of explaining the entire situation and what-not, so I'll just leave it at that.

why sell?

 

Just burn for free xp

 

If you have high(ish) firemake level (70+), and use willows to 99 wc, you get enough logs normally to get 99 fm...problem solved \

 

 

 

There's no such thing as free exp. You'd be much better off if you just sold the willows and bought maples for 99 fm. Is 30-40 extra hours worth the 1.5 mil you'd save (from about lvl 80)? Yeah you didn't spend anything on the willows in the first place (besides time; however that was for 99 wc, not fm), but you're still spending all those extra hours avoiding forking over the extra 1.5 mil to use maples :|

 

 

 

As to the original topic, it's very obvious. Supply and demand. Normal logs are in low demand, but then they're also in low supply, too. They're low exp, and only one log per tree. Doubt anybody seriously cuts those after 20-25 wc. Willows have slightly more demand, but there is also a massive supply from wc trainers. Maples probably have even more supply than willows, but the demand is MUCH higher. They're the best log you can do for 99 fm. Yews are simply too expensive to be economical anymore. (at least for the average 'scaper)

Those of you saying teaks are not faster then willows must be very slow at dropping them. Teaks are about 12k exp faster then willows. Takes ma an average of 14 seconds to drop a full invo of teaks.

Those of you saying teaks are not faster then willows must be very slow at dropping them. Teaks are about 12k exp faster then willows. Takes ma an average of 14 seconds to drop a full invo of teaks.

 

1) I didn't know Teaks were freeplay.

 

2) Teaks are much more valuable banked.

 

3) Willows, in my experience, seem to be a lot faster (and dropping the logs is 100% optional).

Those of you saying teaks are not faster then willows must be very slow at dropping them. Teaks are about 12k exp faster then willows. Takes ma an average of 14 seconds to drop a full invo of teaks.

 

1) I didn't know Teaks were freeplay.

 

2) Teaks are much more valuable banked.

 

3) Willows, in my experience, seem to be a lot faster (and dropping the logs is 100% optional).

 

Yeah, it's pretty efficient to bank from Ape Atoll, right?

 

 

 

You save probably around 30 hours or more on 99 woodcutting by chopping teaks instead of willows, and the logs you get are worth about 3.5m if you use willows. So from an efficiency standpoint at least, you'd be saying you can't make 3.5m in 30 hours, which is 115k/hr. And any member can easily make that much money, so teaks are clearly more efficient.

You save probably around 30 hours or more on 99 woodcutting by chopping teaks instead of willows, and the logs you get are worth about 3.5m if you use willows. So from an efficiency standpoint at least, you'd be saying you can't make 3.5m in 30 hours, which is 115k/hr. And any member can easily make that much money, so teaks are clearly more efficient.

 

 

 

That saved 30 hours sounds a bit high estimate imo, that would mean roughly 10-15k more xp per hour. Anyways the point is that we both agree that it's a bit faster and cutting willows for profit isn't just the thing. However in your calculations you don't value efford at all. Cleaning your inv at willows is a lot easier and the only reason I took my 99 (ok, been over 10 weeks 33k away from it) there.

easy xp so every one does it so way to many and way to little demand i think jagex wanted to fix it a bit thou caus the 2nd ingredient for bevers is willow logs didnt help much thou -.-

You save probably around 30 hours or more on 99 woodcutting by chopping teaks instead of willows, and the logs you get are worth about 3.5m if you use willows. So from an efficiency standpoint at least, you'd be saying you can't make 3.5m in 30 hours, which is 115k/hr. And any member can easily make that much money, so teaks are clearly more efficient.

 

 

 

That saved 30 hours sounds a bit high estimate imo, that would mean roughly 10-15k more xp per hour. Anyways the point is that we both agree that it's a bit faster and cutting willows for profit isn't just the thing. However in your calculations you don't value efford at all. Cleaning your inv at willows is a lot easier and the only reason I took my 99 (ok, been over 10 weeks 33k away from it) there.

 

Yeah, 10-15k more per hours is about the figure I hear most of the time. In this case I arbitrarily used 70k/hr with teaks and 60k/hr with willows, because it sounded like a reasonable average.

 

 

 

As far as dropping, it seems to me like too many people overestimate how much work it is to drop an inventory of something (or to gut an inventory of leaping fish for heavy rod fishing). You spend way more time chopping logs than dropping, so it's not like it takes a lot of extra attention. You can drop an inventory in 20 seconds or less. It's not that hard.

 

 

 

In any case, I was speaking from an efficiency standpoint. Enjoyment is an important factor as well, and you should never be afraid to switch to a less efficient method if you can't stand the more efficient one. You just can't then go on to say the method you ended up picking is "better" since you based it solely on your subjective viewpoint. (Don't worry, that's not an accusation. ;) )

You save probably around 30 hours or more on 99 woodcutting by chopping teaks instead of willows, and the logs you get are worth about 3.5m if you use willows. So from an efficiency standpoint at least, you'd be saying you can't make 3.5m in 30 hours, which is 115k/hr. And any member can easily make that much money, so teaks are clearly more efficient.

 

 

 

That saved 30 hours sounds a bit high estimate imo, that would mean roughly 10-15k more xp per hour. Anyways the point is that we both agree that it's a bit faster and cutting willows for profit isn't just the thing. However in your calculations you don't value efford at all. Cleaning your inv at willows is a lot easier and the only reason I took my 99 (ok, been over 10 weeks 33k away from it) there.

 

Yeah, 10-15k more per hours is about the figure I hear most of the time. In this case I arbitrarily used 70k/hr with teaks and 60k/hr with willows, because it sounded like a reasonable average.

 

 

 

As far as dropping, it seems to me like too many people overestimate how much work it is to drop an inventory of something (or to gut an inventory of leaping fish for heavy rod fishing). You spend way more time chopping logs than dropping, so it's not like it takes a lot of extra attention. You can drop an inventory in 20 seconds or less. It's not that hard.

 

 

 

In any case, I was speaking from an efficiency standpoint. Enjoyment is an important factor as well, and you should never be afraid to switch to a less efficient method if you can't stand the more efficient one. You just can't then go on to say the method you ended up picking is "better" since you based it solely on your subjective viewpoint. (Don't worry, that's not an accusation. ;) )

 

i'd just stick with yews thou dropping logs is so wastefull :shame: and yews aint that bad money/xp

im 99 Wc, Trained it on willows and got 118K Willows. So if everyone does this, millions of willows are in circulation. = Price drop.

 

Except for p2p users they aren't going to be using willows, willows aren't the fastest, and when the vast majority learn this in the 8-12 months I've said, they are going to switch.

 

Thats not true, Im P2P and i trained on willows because it (was?) the fastest way to get 99. And im not the only one.

 

I was 'racing' to 99 with 10 other ppl. all on willows..