Play to win already, scrubs.

[Fairness]

No I [bleep] don't. If you check my user control panel, it says I spend most of the time in Help and Advice. So get your [bleep] facts straight [wagon].

 

 

 

Bleep bleep! Lockban please?

[fenrir321]

Scene: Fist of Guthix. Half a zillion players. But of them, quarter a zillion has just the same problem... They just don't get this freaking game! Runner noob, portal noob, they say. Can't the idiots finally grasp that the hunted has to evade, not deathmatch the hunter? Then they forfeit. Thanks for the free tokens, and the horrible abuse I get afterwards in the public chat, but I want to play the game, since I got my damn RC gloves and stuff already. And what if they don't forfeit and become the hunted next? Well, what? One of them just stood there and as he said, "took it like a man". After briefly smacking him down with my scimitar, I wondered - most likely they don't win a single game, except against a lower level of their kind. So why the hell play then? You're not even trying to win. I talked with one while running away from him - he said he wished this to be the old wildy instead. So do I, genius! But you don't have to play all stupid just because! I'm not just there for the tokens - in a game that almost totally fails otherwise, there is one good minigame which I wish to enjoy.

 

What's it with these morons, then? *breathes*

 

Wow, someone who actually has the same mindset as I do :shock:

 

I hate it when people just play the game for "easy magic exp" :evil: . I annoys the [cabbage] out of me!

 

People, I don't like free tokens! Actually, tokens yes, but I don't like free rating! I want to EARN my place on the high scores!!!!

 

A guy called me a noob because he koed me from lag after I hid for five minutes...I lvoed the look on his face when I only lost to him 5 points after he tanked in the center. \

 

Tanking = epic phail, but feel free to do so, so I can beat you after I hide and bring you down another notch \

[kevinzhou3]

First of all, I completely agree.

 

 

 

However, I can also see how people would get annoyed, as I've had the feeling before. Chasing around a 'runner' can be annoying, especially if you just want a quick game. Even worse is when people just run around rocks. With those tactics you just have to keep on chasing them in circles until their run energy is depleted.

[Fairness]

Right. Many of the people I play are exactly the ones I am ranting about, and they just stand in the center like lambs to the slaughter. However I too did encounter a few of those who ran around the rock, and tried the tactic once or twice against low levels or low-skilled opponents. I find that it is easy to fail at this tactic, so it's not entirely good.

 

 

 

On the other hand, whatever you consider runners, however annoying they are, it doesn't justify verbally raping your opponent before, in or after a game. (There's one good thing to it: two times I've faced the same enemy twice, after each other. Both were the loathsome kind I'm ranting about. Both forfeited immediately. Yay for free tokens!)

[doomy]

Well, like me, most people have no idea about tactics at all, and standing in the centre is playing to win. And doing the running round rocks tactic is just a cheap way of wiinning, don't deserve respect if you do that, in my opinion. I mage in FOG (i play it in f2p), and the reason I feel its cheap is you can't mage over the rocks....Which is total bs.

 

 

 

But its a great way to train up your pures mage!

[Omali]

You're one of the trolls that ruined the rants forum. Congratulations for making Tip.It a worse place. This crap never used to happen.

 

 

 

 

Once again, don't bother addressing my points as usual, just bring on the personal attacks.

 

 

 

And I ruined the rants forum? From what? Troll threads like:

 

 

 

"OMTG JADAZ RUNED WILDURNES, MOAR LIEK RUINEDSCAPE, AMIRITE?"

 

 

 

Or loving threads like:

 

 

 

"Monkfish made flatter? Jagex hates us. Did you hear me? HATEFUL CORPORATE SCUMBAGS WHO HATE THEIR PLAYERS AND WANT TO RUIN THIS GAME SO WE ALL PLAY FUNORB AND MECHSCAPE OVER RUINEDSCAPE, THAT THEY HATE!"

 

 

 

But please, don't bother addressing any point I make. Just remind me that I'm a troll, I'm ruining this board, it's not like it was in the good old days when the whiners were simply ignored while they cried their hearts out.

[yanksrule]

:shock: i found it! a rant inside a rant! *calls up the stares* maaarthaa!! martha!! mar! get the camera i think... i think i found it!!!

 

 

 

anyone who posts that some one else is only posting to get their post count up OBVIOUSLY is getting THEIR post count up. not that i care about the post count because frankly if i have something non important to say i well. don't say it. they did.

 

 

 

ontopic- yeah i find it strange where in a game where you have to run away from some one to get points it's looked down upon if you run. lets make a hypo.

 

 

 

we're playing tag. your chasing me. i'm the guy that has to be run down. i run around and the game continues we have fun we get out of breath and by some way you find a way to get me and you tag me. game successful.

 

 

 

now lets hypo what people are saying

 

 

 

we're playing tag. you start chasing me. i stop and then you tag me. game over.

 

 

 

 

 

fist of guthix is basically a remixed version of tag. you don't just sit there -.- you run the f*** away!

[harper128]

I haven't played too many games of FOG yet, I've only done enough to get one set of RC gloves so far. Each game I've played, I've been trying different tactics. The first couple of games it was mostly the RLH (Run Like H***) manuver. My tactics have improved since then, using house blocking and manuvering.

 

 

 

However, most of my opponents have not used many tactics. I'll admit, the free mage exp is rather nice, but it's not much of a challenge. The most tactics I've seen used against me so far is one player who went and hid along the outer wall and, once I found him, pretty much ran to the center and stood on the fist. He called me a Level 92 noob.

 

 

 

Similar to what Omali said, with very few exceptions, there will always be players who will try insulting you to get you to play how they want you to. The best reaction to that is simply to ignore them as it keeps their tactic from working.

 

 

 

What Omali seems to have missed originally was that the point of the topic was not focused on the name calling but on the fact that the players seem to think that it's a he-man contest to see who can stand up to the most punishment, not the fox and hound competition that it is designed to be.

 

 

 

Now, on to a possible solution? Perhaps TET could do a few events focused on FOG, maybe even go into some of the non-FOG worlds to run it so that they won't

 

a.) interrupt ongoing FOGs and

 

b.) be disturbed by players who aren't interested in learning about FOG while playing.

 

 

 

I believe that only BH is restricted to the event worlds, you just need enough people on a non-FOG world to get the game to start, I think. Can anyone confirm this? If there is enough interest, you might even be able to start your own dedicated FOG world, based on gameplay instead of tokens or magic exp.

[Roberthree]

 

Once again, don't bother addressing my points as usual, just bring on the personal attacks.

 

 

 

Because your "points" are [developmentally delayed]ed as hell. And people like you DID ruin the rants forum. Go to the very first thread on record and you will see that this crap didn't happen before.

 

 

 

Your point was "get over it" right? Explain how thats not just being a generic jerk. Address my points.

 

 

 

the good old days when the whiners were simply ignored while they cried their hearts out.

 

 

 

THATS EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. This forum is for whining and if you can't handle that then stay in general.

[Fairness]

I believe that only BH is restricted to the event worlds, you just need enough people on a non-FOG world to get the game to start, I think. Can anyone confirm this? If there is enough interest, you might even be able to start your own dedicated FOG world, based on gameplay instead of tokens or magic exp.

 

 

 

When I was a first-timer, I didn't look for a FOG world, I just waltzed in one. There was nobody, but I could enter the waiting room, and there was even a "not enough players" display. Seems pretty certain that FOG can be played everywhere.

 

 

 

Also, I find it funny that viagra-advertising bots get banned but the Omali-likes don't. Clearly the latter is way worse; the bots can at least confine themselves to their OWN topic.

[compfreak847]

Scene: Fist of Guthix. Half a zillion players. But of them, quarter a zillion has just the same problem... They just don't get this freaking game! Runner noob, portal noob, they say. Can't the idiots finally grasp that the hunted has to evade, not deathmatch the hunter? Then they forfeit. Thanks for the free tokens, and the horrible abuse I get afterwards in the public chat, but I want to play the game, since I got my damn RC gloves and stuff already. And what if they don't forfeit and become the hunted next? Well, what? One of them just stood there and as he said, "took it like a man". After briefly smacking him down with my scimitar, I wondered - most likely they don't win a single game, except against a lower level of their kind. So why the hell play then? You're not even trying to win. I talked with one while running away from him - he said he wished this to be the old wildy instead. So do I, genius! But you don't have to play all stupid just because! I'm not just there for the tokens - in a game that almost totally fails otherwise, there is one good minigame which I wish to enjoy.

 

What's it with these morons, then? *breathes*

 

Wow, someone who actually has the same mindset as I do :shock:

 

I hate it when people just play the game for "easy magic exp" :evil: . I annoys the [cabbage] out of me!

 

People, I don't like free tokens! Actually, tokens yes, but I don't like free rating! I want to EARN my place on the high scores!!!!

 

A guy called me a noob because he koed me from lag after I hid for five minutes...I lvoed the look on his face when I only lost to him 5 points after he tanked in the center. \

 

Tanking = epic phail, but feel free to do so, so I can beat you after I hide and bring you down another notch \

 

Agreed, but you can tank when your opponent is low level - I prefer winning games with only ~500 points. If they have a fairly low HP level, 1 barrage + 4 dd++\2 AGS specs will decimate them. Especially the AGS specs - the AGS spec is very, very powerful on someone with low defence (Like everyone in FOG). Assuming all 3 attacks hit, even without super sets your max is somewhere in the 140-150s, and you rarely miss. Meaning that on average, your going to KO the player with 75 HP, and a barrage on top of that will hit 90s. You can almost always kill them before the barrage even wears off. I haven't played much (Hence the ~300s ranking), but I found the game rather easy.

 

 

 

To the rest of this thread: This is sad. This topic needs to be locked, and the rants forum removed (Except that we would then just move to the general discussion..). The average maturity level in this forum has obviously dropped dramatically, and we appear to be incapable of discussing things in a logical fashion. Ever seen youtube comments? We're headed that way fast, and its getting worse every day. I certainly hope things don't turn that bad, but I can see Tip.It forums having to be closed due to this. Ever read articles on trolls? Try reading http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin. Sure, we're not there yet, but it proves my point. I won't name any names, but on this thread alone I've seen such immaturity and complete disregard for others personal feelings. Pathetic. Just because no one knows who you are on the internet does NOT mean you have the right to act like a jerk. Don't go on about "freedom of speech", your exercising your "freedom to not be punched in the mouth". In real life, physical consequences limit most of our actions. On the internet, no such consequences are in place, and it is fast becoming a cesspool of hate and proof that the human race is corrupt to the core.

[harper128]

In response to Compfreak847, that attack combination only works on members worlds. It's a bit different on F2P worlds, where the highest mage attack is Fireblast and the best stopping spell is bind.

 

 

 

On to the second portion of your thread, your generalization places me into the "rest of the thread", and to that I take personal offense. I flamed no one, and attempt to stay away from it. I do my best to keep a civil tongue when speaking on these boards, although there are those who do not.

 

 

 

I can also see, in this thread, that due to the way a portion of text was worded (Omali), the point was missed. Because he said "get over it", instead of, perhaps, "It's best to just get over it", the point of the statement was missed, that there will always be people who name call in such games. This, of course, started name calling back and forth, as the "get over it" portion was interpreted as insulting...

 

 

 

Seems like both sides hold part of the blame. Omali could have worded his post better, Fairness could have read it two or three times before deciding whether it was intended as an insult or a suggestion, or even asked for clarification before assuming that it WAS an insult.

 

 

 

It takes one to flame, it takes more than one to fan it.

[Roberthree]

 

I can also see, in this thread, that due to the way a portion of text was worded (Omali), the point was missed. Because he said "get over it", instead of, perhaps, "It's best to just get over it", the point of the statement was missed, that there will always be people who name call in such games. This, of course, started name calling back and forth, as the "get over it" portion was interpreted as insulting...

 

 

 

I never interpreted it as insulting. I interpreted it as elitism and not contributing to a thread.

[compfreak847]

In response to Compfreak847, that attack combination only works on members worlds. It's a bit different on F2P worlds, where the highest mage attack is Fireblast and the best stopping spell is bind.

 

 

 

On to the second portion of your thread, your generalization places me into the "rest of the thread", and to that I take personal offense. I flamed no one, and attempt to stay away from it. I do my best to keep a civil tongue when speaking on these boards, although there are those who do not.

 

 

 

I can also see, in this thread, that due to the way a portion of text was worded (Omali), the point was missed. Because he said "get over it", instead of, perhaps, "It's best to just get over it", the point of the statement was missed, that there will always be people who name call in such games. This, of course, started name calling back and forth, as the "get over it" portion was interpreted as insulting...

 

 

 

Seems like both sides hold part of the blame. Omali could have worded his post better, Fairness could have read it two or three times before deciding whether it was intended as an insult or a suggestion, or even asked for clarification before assuming that it WAS an insult.

 

 

 

It takes one to flame, it takes more than one to fan it.

 

If you were acting like a reasonable, mature adult\teen then my apologies. I didn't exclude or include on a post-by-post basis; I was referring to the majority of the thread, which consisted of arguing and insulting. Regardless of the side. As for the first post, I forgot that FOG was ftp too (Sorry, FTPers... I just haven't logged into an FTP world in the last few years.

[harper128]

To Roberthree (and others who have posted here):

 

Neither do these posts, contribute to the original thread. And, by focusing on the perceived elitism, the point that was made was ignored. As with his post, you have singled out a small portion of the entirety of the thread, which is, in fact, one of the mistakes he made in his original response, and made it the focus of your response, ignoring or sidestepping the actual point being made. i.e. that players should be attempting to avoid getting hit, not simply trying to tank, or, in the case of my post, that it was both sides who continue to perpetuate the argument and reduced it to a flame war.

 

 

 

To compfreak847:

 

Thank you, I appreciate it, and apology accepted. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the rant's forum has been reduced to such a state, not just this thread.

 

On the F2P worlds, you might try FOG on one. You get an advantage from your agility, but other than that your choices are as a F2Per. I don't know for certain, but I believe that the lower damage levels and stopping limits, as well as no specs or poision, tend to make for a longer and more difficult game. You might want to try it on F2P a few times and see what you think. Hopefully you will get a runner and not a tank.

 

 

 

Back on topic, would any of the TET who frequent these forums be interested in running a FOG "shop" to help teach players about how to use tactics in FOG? Recruiting players such as Fairness and others who wish to HAVE FUN playing and not simply earn tokens or magic exp to act as instructors could help to instruct others. Try and get 10+ player who will act as instructors and demonstrate tactics and strategies. Having several truce/instruction rounds where those being instructed do not grab a fist could help. Not sure what happens when the score is 0-0. Might be interesting to find out.:)

 

 

 

While you can not choose who you are paired up with, and you may have players who attempt to disrupt such as session, I think, if it is entered into with the correct attitude, and with some enthusiasm, it could be a great learning experience. Also, I don't know if the tokens are transferable or not, but if they are, tokens earned by "staff" could be used as additional rewards for creative tactics and players who play a good game. i.e. even though you lost, you ran it most of the time, were only outmatched because of un-even level matchup, or it was just a good, entertaining match.

 

 

 

You might also designate some players as "judges". These players will take a blow durring the game as they will not grab a stone and will not defend when attacked. They also won't attack their opponent, so the lucky player who gets matched up with them ends up getting a full 10 minute charge up in the center. You might also designate some staffers to a particular type of attack/defense practice, such as running around the rocks/houses, edge running, etc, so if you are up against that person, you know what you will be learning, and it makes certain that SOMEONE is using that type of tactic. Tanking in the center should not be one of those strategies, however, as that can be learned in the current FOG.

 

 

 

Oh, and in response to one of the complaints about maging over the rocks. While you can see over them in a top-down view, have you adjusted your view to see if you can see over them when looking at them head on? I have not, I'm not even certain which rocks you refer to, so I am asking. You might be able to see your target, but that doesn't mean that your character can. If, however, you CAN see your target over the rocks in a head on view, then I agree that you should be able to cast over the rocks.

[dorcus1]

Is this rant aimed at f2p FoG?

 

 

 

I don't know about f2p, but tanking is perfectly legit (and effective) in p2p. Remember that it's 3 charges/beat on the outer rim and 28 charges/beat in the center. So it's better to tank for a minute and a half in the center than to stay at the very edge for the whole 10 minute game.

 

 

 

In p2p, I find that poison is really useful. There have been games where I poison my prey. Then they run to the edge. I think to myself, "what's the point of that?". So I follow them to the edge. I stay about 8-10 squares away from them, but don't attack. The poison takes off 6hp every 15 seconds, and i'm left wondering why the idiot opponent doesn't telly to the center.

 

 

 

In p2p FoG, it's much harder to run away from your opponent (15 sec binds instead of 5 sec binds). Plus, ice ancients. So tanking and dying makes more sense than running and dying at the edge. Of course, you'd be crazy not to hide for your first few seconds, but tanking is superior once you've been found.

 

 

 

As for those playing for mage exp, let them. They just throw the game in your favor? Let them. The rating system is screwed up as it is and rewards quantity instead of quality. (at 1500 rating, I threw a game to a newb with 0 rating. I only lost 10 rating.) Tankers who don't know strategy? Let em tank. If you beat others (even idiot ones) you deserve that extra rating.

[Fairness]

Is this rant aimed at f2p FoG?

 

 

 

I don't know about f2p, but tanking is perfectly legit (and effective) in p2p. Remember that it's 3 charges/beat on the outer rim and 28 charges/beat in the center. So it's better to tank for a minute and a half in the center than to stay at the very edge for the whole 10 minute game.

 

 

 

But it's better to stay in the 10-pt zone for the whole game than to tank in the center for 1,5 mins, and it's certainly better to use the whole map instead of dying to much lower levels in short order. One level 112 (I think) I defeated - he stayed at the edge until I ran at him, then he used his teleorb (not smart, but his decision). After that, he stayed in the center, and I got him in 1 minute - earth blasting and rune scimmying after each other. Then I avoided him for 8 minutes and got almost 2x as many charges as him (it was a bit below 1000 for him), mostly staying in the 15-21 pt zone near the portal chambers. He promised me that next time he'll kill me in 10 secs. As if.

 

 

 

Tanking in F2P didn't bring much merit for anyone so far, because those who think their impressive level 100+ will protect them against mid-60s and lower will get killed quick. I don't imagine how tanking in P2P is better - in P2P dealing damage is much easier with poison, special attacks etc., while different armors don't bring enough defense to counteract all these.

[FairiesWearBoots]

Thats all your gonna get is "get over it" cause thats the only sensible thing to do. Acting like a jerk doesn't help....jerk.

 

 

 

This is singlehandedly the smartest post I've come by in this thread.

[Sir_Sibz]

Scene: Fist of Guthix. Half a zillion players. But of them, quarter a zillion has just the same problem... They just don't get this freaking game! Runner noob, portal noob, they say. Can't the idiots finally grasp that the hunted has to evade, not deathmatch the hunter? Then they forfeit. Thanks for the free tokens, and the horrible abuse I get afterwards in the public chat, but I want to play the game, since I got my damn RC gloves and stuff already. And what if they don't forfeit and become the hunted next? Well, what? One of them just stood there and as he said, "took it like a man". After briefly smacking him down with my scimitar, I wondered - most likely they don't win a single game, except against a lower level of their kind. So why the hell play then? You're not even trying to win. I talked with one while running away from him - he said he wished this to be the old wildy instead. So do I, genius! But you don't have to play all stupid just because! I'm not just there for the tokens - in a game that almost totally fails otherwise, there is one good minigame which I wish to enjoy.

 

What's it with these morons, then? *breathes*

 

Looking more at the verbal abuse...

 

In my opinion, if you want to enjoy the game without having to deal with this garbage, just turn public chat to "off" or "friends" if you're amongst them, then you can pretend the others are actually being nice the whole time? :pray:

 

Lol, when it comes to PvP I've found that people tend to act as if they're always better, even if they lose. -.- Take it like a man and die, that sounds logical? No, not to me.

[harper128]

Some of the problems with Tanking:

 

a.) You have people believing that it is the only strategy, no matter their level.

 

 

 

b.) There are some players who don't bother trying to hide first, just run to the fist and try to tank.

 

 

 

c.) Because of the reduction of stats, you aren't as tough as you think you are.

 

 

 

And the point of the rant was that the game should be as much about avoiding the other player and using the terrain to your advantage as possible. Why? Because this is one of the replacements for old Wildy. In wildy, if a pker found you, especially if you were outclassed/underequipped/just didn't want to pk, did you stand there and try to tank or did you use the environment and your wits to your best advantage?

[fenrir321]

Scene: Fist of Guthix. Half a zillion players. But of them, quarter a zillion has just the same problem... They just don't get this freaking game! Runner noob, portal noob, they say. Can't the idiots finally grasp that the hunted has to evade, not deathmatch the hunter? Then they forfeit. Thanks for the free tokens, and the horrible abuse I get afterwards in the public chat, but I want to play the game, since I got my damn RC gloves and stuff already. And what if they don't forfeit and become the hunted next? Well, what? One of them just stood there and as he said, "took it like a man". After briefly smacking him down with my scimitar, I wondered - most likely they don't win a single game, except against a lower level of their kind. So why the hell play then? You're not even trying to win. I talked with one while running away from him - he said he wished this to be the old wildy instead. So do I, genius! But you don't have to play all stupid just because! I'm not just there for the tokens - in a game that almost totally fails otherwise, there is one good minigame which I wish to enjoy.

 

What's it with these morons, then? *breathes*

 

Looking more at the verbal abuse...

 

In my opinion, if you want to enjoy the game without having to deal with this garbage, just turn public chat to "off" or "friends" if you're amongst them, then you can pretend the others are actually being nice the whole time? :pray:

 

Lol, when it comes to PvP I've found that people tend to act as if they're always better, even if they lose. -.- Take it like a man and die, that sounds logical? No, not to me.

 

Nah, you're supposed to take off all your armor and do a quest point cape emote while fighting a lvl 138 :roll: .

 

Take it like a man...I guess I don't have to do that since I'm not a man \ .

 

It takes a bunch of self-control to walk up to the victor after they've completely creamed you and say, "Good game," as opposed to, "Noob, you runner noob. I can kill you in one hit if you just stay still!". I didn't bother to write in noob/1337 speak cause I don't feel like it :( . Something that I see in high school and especially in Middle School: barely ANYONE has ANY self-control or is fairly quiet. Americans are loud and boisterous, and most of them are freakin [developmentally delayed]s who can't actually act like civilized people :wall: . What does this have to do with runescape? Probably that a lot of players in the pool are American.

 

 

 

And the point of the rant was that the game should be as much about avoiding the other player and using the terrain to your advantage as possible. Why? Because this is one of the replacements for old Wildy. In wildy, if a pker found you, especially if you were outclassed/underequipped/just didn't want to pk, did you stand there and try to tank or did you use the environment and your wits to your best advantage?

 

That's been my theory for a long time; Fist of Guthix is the old wildy but forcing you to use strategy in escaping.

 

It would have been interesting if jagex had made the entire wildy FoG, given the Hunter infinite run energy and taken away the hunted's energy restoration. Maybe this is the renamed version of Wilderness Tag? :-k

[Sam]

The Rants forum is a place to vent your frustration at things. The least you can do is post a mature response instead of "get over it".

 

 

 

 

 

On-topic: Just tell the people calling you things like "runner noob" just say, "I know you'd do the same" - believe me, it'll work most of the time.

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

I just say obvious things back.

 

THEM: You runner noob!

 

Me: You chaser noob! \

 

 

 

Then again, I don't run. I "house hug" then tank in the middle :D

[dudius]

I agree with you for the most part, however, when I'm training mage on my pure and tell them 'I'll let you win, stop running, I'll let you win.' it get's a bit annoying.

 

 

 

At that point I theres 3 ways to go;

 

-the smart guy who says 'oh, he's here to train mage, alright cool' and goes to the center to get max points, and realises I let him win.

 

-the insecure guy who says 'omfg, no no no, ur lieing' (99% chance they're hunted first)

 

-the idiot who runs, despite me telling them ill let them wins (their the 1% who started as hunter)

 

 

 

if your the first guy, right on, ur cool

 

if your the second guy, lighten up

 

if your the third guy, go to hell

[obfuscator]

i just ignore them...or turn public off.

 

 

 

but i agree with you 100% :)