R2Pleasent was the dude that crashed the phat market a while back, he uses merching techniques to make money and also, as previously stated, buys at $2/1m.

 

 

 

And yes, i know people who have bought from him. And from what they've seen, he has a lot of GP to spare.....

 

I don't think he has enough money to monopolize the phat's. With him selling 21b, thats still not even enough to affect the whole RS economy.

How did R2 get so much money?

 

- He is buying 2$ ea and selling 5$ ea. Simple? :P

 

 

 

Is that site safe?

 

- Yes, no viruses, but be careful not getting scammed by anyone dangerous there.

 

 

 

Wild and stuff was removed because of RWT. And it was costing Jagex money.

 

- NO. It was Credit Card Fraud. (link to Wikipedia) Banks had to reverse payments and threatened to block all credit card payments for Runescape membership. About 75% of Runescape members use a credit card to pay for their membership. Thus, Jagex wanted a solution. Mostly, the Credit Card Fraud was committed by Asian people/small "companies". (mostly Chinese + not being racist)

 

Such "companies" had sweatshops, where very lowly paid people worked for them earning Runescape gold. And if someone bought the gold, a few months later they could use the payment info and scam them.

 

or something like that. long story.

 

 

 

RWT is gone.

 

- Nope. Party Room, Bounty Hunter, "shop method", and another secret method - 4 good methods to transfer money. 2 of them are mostly obvious. Oh and gold farming, thats what the Chinese do now. And sometimes gold sales are just selling lvl 3 accounts with the gold on it.

 

 

 

Macroing is gone.

 

- Nope. Only the Chinese macroers who macroed to earn money. There are still many macroers around, but they are not in swarms cutting a single yew tree like the Chinese ones, they just seem like normal people like you and me. They macro just to get those annoying mining levels that are soo annoying to do by urself, or just to earn more money.

 

I am a member in 3 macroing communities, so I know.

 

 

 

 

 

Any other questions.

 

 

 

Were you born a d**k macroer or did you have to work at it?

 

 

 

As for RWT'ing they've done the best they can. The problem wasn't the macroers it was the Chinese players gathering raw materials like mad. I believe RWT'ing is pretty much stumped at the moment. As for BH a way of exchanging money, it's going to be a hell of a mess and what if someone wtfpwns them? They have done the best they can. And sorry people the wildy will never be back. But I do agree they need to find something to replace BH.

 

Macroing is gone.

 

- Nope. Only the Chinese macroers who macroed to earn money. There are still many macroers around, but they are not in swarms cutting a single yew tree like the Chinese ones, they just seem like normal people like you and me. They macro just to get those annoying mining levels that are soo annoying to do by urself, or just to earn more money.

 

I am a member in 3 macroing communities, so I know.

 

 

 

 

Were you born a d**k macroer or did you have to work at it?

 

 

 

As for RWT'ing they've done the best they can. The problem wasn't the macroers it was the Chinese players gathering raw materials like mad. I believe RWT'ing is pretty much stumped at the moment. As for BH a way of exchanging money, it's going to be a hell of a mess and what if someone wtfpwns them? They have done the best they can. And sorry people the wildy will never be back. But I do agree they need to find something to replace BH.

 

 

 

I was born like it... always good to have a advantage against other.

 

Good luck playing 300+ hours to reach whatever 99 u want.

 

 

 

BH is easy. Med crater in f2p, full rune on, full inv of anchovy pizzas and swordies, protect prayer on...

I do have one solution: allow RWTing. :roll:

 

 

 

And let the game crash before Christmas because of JAGeX being accused of Credit Card Fraud. Sure seems fair to the people that don't cheat doesn't it?

 

 

 

And to the original poster: Didn't you just make a thread in RuneScape Bugs and Suggestions that JAGeX should expand Bounty Hunter out of its area and into the whole of the Wilderness? Now you are saying it is a huge mistake. What side are you on?

 

 

 

EDIT: Wow, 900th post.

 

 

 

Nonono. My sarcastic post was trying to make one point: make RWTing legal by Jagex rules. No credit card fraud if people can RWT without fear of being banned, is there?

 

 

 

How did R2 get so much money?

 

- He is buying 2$ ea and selling 5$ ea. Simple? :P

 

 

 

Is that site safe?

 

- Yes, no viruses, but be careful not getting scammed by anyone dangerous there.

 

 

 

Wild and stuff was removed because of RWT. And it was costing Jagex money.

 

- NO. It was Credit Card Fraud. (link to Wikipedia) Banks had to reverse payments and threatened to block all credit card payments for Runescape membership. About 75% of Runescape members use a credit card to pay for their membership. Thus, Jagex wanted a solution. Mostly, the Credit Card Fraud was committed by Asian people/small "companies". (mostly Chinese + not being racist)

 

Such "companies" had sweatshops, where very lowly paid people worked for them earning Runescape gold. And if someone bought the gold, a few months later they could use the payment info and scam them.

 

or something like that. long story.

 

 

 

RWT is gone.

 

- Nope. Party Room, Bounty Hunter, "shop method", and another secret method - 4 good methods to transfer money. 2 of them are mostly obvious. Oh and gold farming, thats what the Chinese do now. And sometimes gold sales are just selling lvl 3 accounts with the gold on it.

 

 

 

Macroing is gone.

 

- Nope. Only the Chinese macroers who macroed to earn money. There are still many macroers around, but they are not in swarms cutting a single yew tree like the Chinese ones, they just seem like normal people like you and me. They macro just to get those annoying mining levels that are soo annoying to do by urself, or just to earn more money.

 

I am a member in 3 macroing communities, so I know.

 

 

 

 

 

Any other questions.

 

 

 

Were you born a d**k macroer or did you have to work at it?

 

 

 

As for RWT'ing they've done the best they can. The problem wasn't the macroers it was the Chinese players gathering raw materials like mad. I believe RWT'ing is pretty much stumped at the moment. As for BH a way of exchanging money, it's going to be a hell of a mess and what if someone wtfpwns them? They have done the best they can. And sorry people the wildy will never be back. But I do agree they need to find something to replace BH.

 

 

 

Here is another narrow-minded, naive player who just wants to see the perfect, RWT and bot-less RuneScape. Our macro expert tells you several methods to RWT and you go "RWT is pretty much stumped". Wait, isn't there a little problem in this? For example, Jagex didn't address RWT properly?

 

 

 

I just can't see how someone can wtfpwn the guy with the full Zammy, since there are probably some others protecting him.

 

 

 

And if they've done the best they can it's time to change back or think of a better solution. They've not done enough.

I think Jagex made a mistake with Trade limit and Wilderness. They were something i can say:

 

 

 

Made the game the best of the best.

 

 

 

 

 

BH:

 

 

 

I tried it, and with maxed mele, best gear and stuff in f2p....

 

 

 

After 2 hours:

 

 

 

I lost 200K+ worth of runes, food, and so on=of supplies (No death)...

 

 

 

So the thing is...BH dont work.

 

 

 

And i am sure big Clans can go together in BH, and do transfers and if someone who is outsider tries to steal....

 

 

 

The clan will gang up on him...Quite simple.<

 

 

 

Enlighten me on these 'hundreds of ways to transfer'

 

And, Id like to see some proof of this single gold seller.

 

 

 

Sounds like your pulling a lot of stuff out of your [wagon]. PM me if you have to, but,

 

 

 

No pics, no proof.

 

 

 

Nothing, is imposible..

 

 

 

Dividing by zero is.

 

 

 

Eh, BH is fine, sure it's not great, but JAGeX were only trying to fix the game, at least they didn't take away all of pki'ng.

Dividing by zero is not impossible, but you'd better not try...

 

 

 

(reason)

RWT wasn't halted at all, I would know I'm in one of the top 4 Pure Clans(Don't blame Pures like I know TIF likes to, it's equally, if not stronger in high level main clans well). BH was a lazy answer to PK'ing. There truly are much better solutions to bringing a form of PK'ing that could do the same(if not more) in stopping RWT. Something that would be of most help would be creating more craters(3-15, 10-30, 25-45, 40-60, [3-67] 55-75, 70-90, 85-105,[62-112] 100-115, 110-125, 120+, [107-138]). More craters means the RWT'ers need to be closer in combat than they need to now, much closer. So in order to RWT they have to train an account to specifically meet said level craters.

 

 

 

The only counter-argument to that is that there might not be enough players in a single world to get a crater going, but not only if this were applied would several PK'ers come back, but if one world was empty they'd simply go to one of the three that was full.

 

 

 

They should also add 2 more worlds for both P2P and F2P, two multi-based worlds to keep Clan-PK'ing.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously took more time to write that up then it took to think of it.

 

 

 

Again, BH was a lazy alternative to PK'ing and Jagex should be ashamed.

Hi,

 

this is NOT just another rant, this is to be discussed, not just dismissed as me wanting PKing back.

 

 

 

So Jagex removed PKing due to RWTing, something that was a massive problem. They removed the old PKing, and replaced it with Bounty Hunter. RWTing dropped for about 3 weeks, during which RWTers found hundreds of other ways to bypass the trade limit and Bounty Hunter rules. Now RWTing is back to the level it was at when PKing was around.

 

 

 

So what are your thoughts? Was Bounty Hunter just a waste of Jagex's time, perhaps there were other solutions?

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

One gold seller alone (no names mentioned) has sold another 2 billion GP since the release of Bounty Hunter.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to dissapoint you, but old pking is NEVER comming back. It's gone for good. Notice the dozens of update they made in order for people to be able to play they way they did before RWT? If they brought back old PKing, those update would be the waste of time.

 

 

 

Are you actually mentally [developmentally delayed]ed?

 

 

 

 

 

And in response to people saying that if there are more peeps in a world it would make it harder...

 

 

 

IT WOULDNT.

 

 

 

F2P Bounty Hunter is totally safe, no matter what crater. All you have to do is take full god armour in, and then the seller hits the buyer when they have auto retaliate on so they dont get a pickup delay. the max hit in F2P is 30, and its really not that hard to avoid dying when the max is 30...

God some of you pk'ing guys are idiots. For Sirgudi. He is right the wildy is gone and it isn't coming back and never will. They aren't going to lose money like that again. I honestly don't see them replacing BH either tbh with you.

 

 

 

And Fairness, you are probably one of those losers who wants to be able to buy their stats with real money, but I'm just too narrow minded and naive to see that. And why the hell wouldn't the same gold farmers steal the credit card numbers where they can increase production in members? (You seem to be the naive and stupid one in my eyes) What more can they do to fix it? Why don't one of you pk'ing crybabies come up with a solution and present it on the RSOF? That will be the only way you will get the damn wildy back. (Which there is no solution for it) I still see bots here and there but most of them are getting snubbed out rather quickly, or people wait until that skill is trained up highly and they turn it into their main. Someone said earlier RWT'ing isn't really affecting players because it has been halted quite a bit. I have to agree, if a couple of noobs want to go to BH and kill each other, where one of them is selling gold they made. I don't care maybe they will eventually get caught doing it. Best I can tell you can't really monitor that. So all of you complaining about the problem, what more can they do?

 

F2P Bounty Hunter is totally safe, no matter what crater. All you have to do is take full god armour in, and then the seller hits the buyer when they have auto retaliate on so they dont get a pickup delay. the max hit in F2P is 30, and its really not that hard to avoid dying when the max is 30...

 

 

 

Yup, correct.

 

The max hit is 30, but who would have 99 str + potion + 15% str at med crater bh? and not talking bout using rune scim...

 

and then u can use full rune + protection prayer....

 

+ full inventory of anchovy pizzas...

 

and if really needed get a friend to protect you....

 

 

 

OMG TRANSFERRING THRU BH IS SOOO HARD!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Derrick, the solution is: Wilderness without getting the loot. I've been saying it ever since 10th December. RSOF fails btw.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and one of my friends got banned transferring thru Bounty Hunter. He lost an awesome acc. :/

 

F2P Bounty Hunter is totally safe, no matter what crater. All you have to do is take full god armour in, and then the seller hits the buyer when they have auto retaliate on so they dont get a pickup delay. the max hit in F2P is 30, and its really not that hard to avoid dying when the max is 30...

 

 

 

Yup, correct.

 

The max hit is 30, but who would have 99 str + potion + 15% str at med crater bh? and not talking bout using rune scim...

 

and then u can use full rune + protection prayer....

 

+ full inventory of anchovy pizzas...

 

and if really needed get a friend to protect you....

 

 

 

OMG TRANSFERRING THRU BH IS SOOO HARD!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Derrick, the solution is: Wilderness without getting the loot. I've been saying it ever since 10th December. RSOF fails btw.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and one of my friends got banned transferring thru Bounty Hunter. He lost an awesome acc. :/

 

 

 

No loot? Wtf would be the point in that? Big [wagon] risk for no reward? That's even worse than BH, and with a solution like that the noobs at RSOF are going to tear your [wagon] to pieces :lol:

Why is people still going on about old way of PKing and RWTing?

 

It's been almost a year. #-o

 

 

 

I don't think Jagex really care anymore, sure they put small updates just so it keeps ok.

 

 

 

For Jagex: It's basically done and dusted.

 

For PKers: POmgygrdtrewrrj bring bak pking or i w1ll quit jegax@@@@@@@@@@@@@'

 

 

 

I wonder how many of them Pkers RWTed? :roll:

A small amount of PKers RWT'ed. A small amount. (as in less than 3% imo)

 

 

 

 

 

Barrick, there is risk, with the reward : fun. So you can kill those cute little Abyss RC'ers, or have fun clan fights once again. Or get the skull the way you are meant to get it. There is risk in wilderness right now: revenants. Why not pking back? thats what they are asking for... ;)

What i don't get is why all these [wagon]es come and post about the wildy is never coming back. Read the first post [developmentally delayed]s.

If the goal is to stop RWT then why have targets and penalties for killing at random? It would seem that allowing anyone to attack and kill would make it more dangerous and lead to less rwt.

 

 

 

And perhaps they should have only ONE crater entrance on one specialized world server but that entrance would automatically recognize your combat level and put you in a crater with those closest to your combat level that are playing at that time. This would be an alternative to the current system that only has pre-programmed ranges. Then those who are not at the top of their crater food chain would have a chance. As it is we have whole ranges of levels that have no chance at all and won't want to play.

To be honest, I think half this discussion is a lightly veiled attempt to advertise RWT'ing - who to contact, and how to get it done.

 

 

 

For Jagex to legally implement RWT, they would have to be the ones to sell the money/goods. Any other form of it leads to the gold farmers and credit card fraud. And if Jagex becomes the seller, it destabilizes the rest of the game. If this was an adults-only game like some of those other types (second life?), they could work something out. But with the majority of players not being adults, there is all sorts of issues with a system of buying gold/items. I think it was mentioned somewhere that simple gambling addiction (staking for big rs money) was becoming a bit of an issue. Get enough parents complaining about their kids stealing their credit cards to pay for RS cash, and Jagex would definitely have a problem.

 

 

 

RWTing does still exist, but the changes by Jagex has eliminated the credit card fraud, at least the bulk of it. For that single reason alone, Jagex is unlikely to change the current system. Just because a few traders have found the loopholes that allow a limited amount of RWT, doesn't mean that Jagex needs to roll back the system. No matter the argument, the reality is quite easy to see - Jagex is not losing players (they in fact added more worlds!) - and the gold farming bots are indeed gone.

 

 

 

I think it's worth mentioning, yet again, that while RWT'ing is what people focus on, it was the underlying method to gather the RS gold for RWTing that Jagex *had* to eliminate. The gold farmers. And they succeeded.

 

 

 

So even if you *can* still RWT - where does the RS gold come from? While a few individuals may be able to amass a fortune - one that probably was made before the changes, via the gold farming - it's quite a bit more difficult to sweatshop the gold now.

 

 

 

For instance, lets look at the supposed selling of characters with high stats. I'm not saying that it cannot be done, but how can it be done without spending a serious amount of time building those stats up? Even if you use a bot to create those stats, the character will still need to be in-game long enough that any credit card fraud on that account will also show up. So for Jagex, even if they deem it illegal in the game rules (and could easily ban it at any time), at the very least there was no credit card fraud with that account. Which is the main problem for them.

 

Derrick, the solution is: Wilderness without getting the loot. I've been saying it ever since 10th December. RSOF fails btw.

 

 

From what I can see, that's the direction that the Spirit of Summer quest is going, pking in the spirit realm like old times, but then once you leave it you get all of your stuff back, like a minigame

What I'd find most fun is the old wilderness layout, no revenants, but made into a safe minigame. You can run around and have all sorts of wars, a big free for all, and if you die, you lose nothing. That would be fun :XD:

Sirgudi nothing is being directed at you I read the whole damn thread. (I'm sorry but I believe you to be one of them) It has just inevitably brought pk'ing crybabies.

 

 

 

And Homo88, when people (Unlike your macroing self) have to work for their items it isn't to fun to sell all that gp go down the drain. So your idea is still flawed.

 

 

 

But one last thing. If you are looking for PvP why the hell are you playing runescape? Runescapes PvP is horrible now (Cwars is the only exception, and there you get no loot just tickets). Go play WoW, SRO (SilkRoad), or something else. Those games are rampant with gold farmers. (Friend I play CoD (Call of Duty) with said a gold site hacked wow and glitched the game and began to advertise with the glitch.) Jagex removed gold farmers entirely at the price of RS now having the worst PvP among MMORPG IMO. Wildy and RS PvP as it was is gone, move on or go play something else.

Sirgudi nothing is being directed at you I read the whole damn thread. (I'm sorry but I believe you to be one of them) It has just inevitably brought pk'ing crybabies.

 

 

 

And Homo88, when people (Unlike your macroing self) have to work for their items it isn't to fun to sell all that gp go down the drain. So your idea is still flawed.

 

 

 

But one last thing. If you are looking for PvP why the hell are you playing runescape? Runescapes PvP is horrible now (Cwars is the only exception, and there you get no loot just tickets). Go play WoW, SRO (SilkRoad), or something else. Those games are rampant with gold farmers. (Friend I play CoD (Call of Duty) with said a gold site hacked wow and glitched the game and began to advertise with the glitch.) Jagex removed gold farmers entirely at the price of RS now having the worst PvP among MMORPG IMO. Wildy and RS PvP as it was is gone, move on or go play something else.

 

 

 

F you.

 

 

 

And people work hard to earn the money? no.

 

Good merchants can make 5m+ a day doing nothing.

 

(Some people macro, some merchant gold.)

 

Some just do GWD - if you get a Armadyl hilt it would be nice to have 500$ irl for it?

 

 

 

If you play and earn 100k per hour mining some iron or stuff - it is pointless to sell gold. Such noobs usually simply buy gold, or just are the common noobs in Runescape.

 

 

 

Bah end of discussion value.

RWT wasn't halted at all, I would know I'm in one of the top 4 Pure Clans(Don't blame Pures like I know TIF likes to, it's equally, if not stronger in high level main clans well). BH was a lazy answer to PK'ing. There truly are much better solutions to bringing a form of PK'ing that could do the same(if not more) in stopping RWT. Something that would be of most help would be creating more craters(3-15, 10-30, 25-45, 40-60, [3-67] 55-75, 70-90, 85-105,[62-112] 100-115, 110-125, 120+, [107-138]). More craters means the RWT'ers need to be closer in combat than they need to now, much closer. So in order to RWT they have to train an account to specifically meet said level craters.

 

 

 

The only counter-argument to that is that there might not be enough players in a single world to get a crater going, but not only if this were applied would several PK'ers come back, but if one world was empty they'd simply go to one of the three that was full.

 

 

 

They should also add 2 more worlds for both P2P and F2P, two multi-based worlds to keep Clan-PK'ing.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously took more time to write that up then it took to think of it.

 

 

 

Again, BH was a lazy alternative to PK'ing and Jagex should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reposting since people seem to enjoy going after PK'ers for not coming up with their own solutions, and decided to not reply to this first.

Sure RWT is still around, but prices of materials is sure evidence if nothing else that it's not as big as it was.

 

 

 

Jagex's updates took a big chunk out of it. Of course they took a big chunk out of runescape too.

Sure RWT is still around, but prices of materials is sure evidence if nothing else that it's not as big as it was.

 

 

 

Jagex's updates took a big chunk out of it. Of course they took a big chunk out of runescape too.

 

Actually mils are cheaper now because they are easier to make, and only slightly harder to xfer.

Guh...faww... Sirgudi, your threads are rather... dumb, I must say. They're usually senseless and rushed. Badly planned, and just asking for me to shed some dreaded light upon, along with many others.

 

 

 

Bounty Hunter, along with balanced trades, are all part of stopping RWTers. Maybe a few of them have found ways to still real world item trade, but that's not likely that they'll be able to do so. Bounty Hunter is designed to be extremely dangerous, and making everyone want to kill you. There's low to no chance that you'll be able to transfer items, seeing as you come out into the arena in totally random areas. Even if you get lucky enough to transfer items and successfully real world item trade, you may not last long enough to escape with your tainted loot. If you can, good for you! You shall be banned in a matter of days if someone caught you. If you aren't, you're truly lucky (so much for karma), but not everyone will be that way.

 

 

 

Real world item trading has dropped DRASTICALLY since the changes, and I see NO bots in Runescape anymore. They might as well be gone.

Guh...faww... Sirgudi, your threads are rather... dumb, I must say. They're usually senseless and rushed. Badly planned, and just asking for me to shed some dreaded light upon, along with many others.

 

 

 

Bounty Hunter, along with balanced trades, are all part of stopping RWTers. Maybe a few of them have found ways to still real world item trade, but that's not likely that they'll be able to do so. Bounty Hunter is designed to be extremely dangerous, and making everyone want to kill you. There's low to no chance that you'll be able to transfer items, seeing as you come out into the arena in totally random areas. Even if you get lucky enough to transfer items and successfully real world item trade, you may not last long enough to escape with your tainted loot. If you can, good for you! You shall be banned in a matter of days if someone caught you. If you aren't, you're truly lucky (so much for karma), but not everyone will be that way.

 

 

 

Real world item trading has dropped DRASTICALLY since the changes, and I see NO bots in Runescape anymore. They might as well be gone.

 

Care to read what we're saying? It is NOT hard to transfer, meaning it's not hard to RWT. And I've never met someone who had xferred(most of the time not for RWT, but for free trade limit) who was banned for that.

 

Just because you see no bots doesn't mean it's not thriving.