Guthixian Edicts

[Howlin1]

During the In Aid of the Myreque (and other quests from that group) we learn that we can't do anything because of Guthixian Edicts (something about balance of power), but yet in Mourning ends part 2 we learn they are trying to being some big evil person into Ardy. But how if the Guthix's ethic is there, or am I missing something?

[Hantoumei]

You mean edict's, right? And the reason in reality is because the Plauge City series is far older then the myreque series. The reason ingame is probably because Guthix will take care of the evil the Death Guard is bringing when it comes.

[Omali]

Guthixian Edicts state that the balance cannot shift too far in any direction, otherwise he will come in and destroy the world and remake it.

 

 

 

In Mourning's End, aren't they trying to resurrect Zamorak?

[Howlin1]

Ok so then there will be no need for us to stop the sara and zammy wizards trying to destroy the Guthixian Edicts, Guthix will do that itself in time?

[Hantoumei]

Well, resurrecting Zamorak would imply that he died, no? And, yeah we kinda should stop them as if we don't they'll start another godwars and then Guthix will be quite angry and remake everything.

[Omali]

Well, resurrecting Zamorak would imply that he died, no? And, yeah we kinda should stop them as if we don't they'll start another godwars and then Guthix will be quite angry and remake everything.

 

 

 

He did die, he was killed fighting Zaros, who was banished to another realm. Zamorak only became a god after the matter. They may be trying to resurrect him in his human form (Remember, the gods once walked Gielnor with its people, as shown in Meeting History)

[Hantoumei]

Zamorak was human? You mean mahjarrat, right? And i suppose resurrecting him in his mortal form would go around the Edicts, because as a mortal it would be hard to channel that much power.

[Exe16p]

Wouldn't Guthix not have the power to destroy the world, seeing that the Elder God's made it. Surely if he destroyed the world the Elder God's would be mad and would kill Guthix? Thus making another God Wars possible?

[Hantoumei]

Guthix didn't make runescape, right but it is it's experiment. 90% says the elder gods don't are at all about runescape.

[Erichermit]

I think the game said that Guthix created the world, but the Elder Gods created the Dimension. I might be wrong though.

[Omali]

I think the game said that Guthix created the world, but the Elder Gods created the Dimension. I might be wrong though.

 

 

 

The elder gods created the realm, Guthix just found it and brought life to it.

 

 

 

Zamorak was human? You mean mahjarrat, right? And i suppose resurrecting him in his mortal form would go around the Edicts, because as a mortal it would be hard to channel that much power.

 

 

 

And yes, I know he's a mahjarrat. I meant more of a tangible form.

 

 

 

Apparently the people trying to resurrect him aren't aware that they cannot get involved directly, either that or they know something we don't.

[Great_one]

Wouldn't Guthix not have the power to destroy the world, seeing that the Elder God's made it. Surely if he destroyed the world the Elder God's would be mad and would kill Guthix? Thus making another God Wars possible?

 

i really think there are no "elder gods" and that guthix just made that up to be modest. he is not one to atract attention you know

[harbringerjm]

Wouldn't Guthix not have the power to destroy the world, seeing that the Elder God's made it. Surely if he destroyed the world the Elder God's would be mad and would kill Guthix? Thus making another God Wars possible?

 

i really think there are no "elder gods" and that guthix just made that up to be modest. he is not one to atract attention you know

 

 

 

Actually, I think it's been said before that Guthix came across this empty plane, and it shaped it into the world. Whether Guthix created the the world (ie formed matter in an empty dimension), or just shaped a blank landscape to resemble more closely what is around today, is an open question. If the second, perhaps the Elder Gods created a world (whole thing, dimensions and all), then got bored or had it crash or something or ditched it, and then Guthix found it later. Although that raises the question of how Guthix knows about the Eldar Gods.

 

Also, I may be wrong, but does the quest actually say "the evil elves are trying to resurrect Zammorack", or does it say something about summoning back "The Dark One" (or something like that). Might not be the same thing.

[acenator]

Zamorak was human? You mean mahjarrat, right? And i suppose resurrecting him in his mortal form would go around the Edicts, because as a mortal it would be hard to channel that much power.

 

 

 

And yes, I know he's a mahjarrat. I meant more of a tangible form.

 

 

 

Apparently the people trying to resurrect him aren't aware that they cannot get involved directly, either that or they know something we don't.

 

I think it's more of a "If we can get him back here, he can defeat Guthix" than a lack of knowledge of the edicts. Evil usually doesn't care about rules, also.

[Hantoumei]

Seems like just plain stupidity then too. Who do they think made zamorak gtfo in the first place?

[harbringerjm]

Zamorak was human? You mean mahjarrat, right? And i suppose resurrecting him in his mortal form would go around the Edicts, because as a mortal it would be hard to channel that much power.

 

 

 

And yes, I know he's a mahjarrat. I meant more of a tangible form.

 

 

 

Apparently the people trying to resurrect him aren't aware that they cannot get involved directly, either that or they know something we don't.

 

I think it's more of a "If we can get him back here, he can defeat Guthix" than a lack of knowledge of the edicts. Evil usually doesn't care about rules, also.

 

 

 

Given that Guthix faced down all the gods before, thats a bit of a risky point of view to take. While we don't tend to care about rules (except the plot ones, like always reveal your plans to an imprisoned hero, or always leave a weak spot in your invincible army/plan/machine/unholy demonic legion of infinite strength), we do tend to care about being erased and "written over" (for want of a better term) by an almighty divine being.

 

Also, see the point about elven quests being a lot older than the myreque ones. I smell a retcon.

[Hippodo]

The Mourners aren't resurrecting Zamorak, and he didn't die either. When the Staff of Armadyl impaled both Zaros and Zamorak, Zaros vanished from this realm while Zamorak 'seemed to get more real', that is what the old stories tell. Zamorak never died. The Mourners are in fact trying to transfer Zamorak from the God Realm to this dimension, something that is forbidden by Guthix.

[harbringerjm]

The Mourners aren't resurrecting Zamorak, and he didn't die either. When the Staff of Armadyl impaled both Zaros and Zamorak, Zaros vanished from this realm while Zamorak 'seemed to get more real', that is what the old stories tell. Zamorak never died. The Mourners are in fact trying to transfer Zamorak from the God Realm to this dimension, something that is forbidden by Guthix.

 

 

 

I seem to remember that one of the other gods (Sara? Or that curse of Zaros'?) booted Zammy from the realm, and he only returned once he became a god (note that means he was not a god directly after defeating (sort of) Zaros), and after that he and the other gods wiped out most of the remaining Zaros followers. Then along came the God Wars, and Guthix waking up, and then we all know what happened. But

 

1) Is it Zammy the Mourners are trying to bring in, or perhaps one of his generals (like the gwd boss), or even another god/almighty being. They could even intend to re-oen the world gate, and bring in some enemy of Seren, sort of like Zammy is the enemy of Sara. Of course, opening the world gate would probably piss Guthix off, given that It was probably the one to close it, and the void knights (who serve Guthix's ideals) spend all their time closing portals, but if they were isolated at the time of the God Wars, they might not even know about the Edicts.

 

2) Do the Guthixian edicts specifically forbid the gods moving to the material world? They forbid interference, but if one were to enter the world, would that count? He wouldn't be able to do anything, but who knows, maybe they intend to get the Stone of Jas and/or the Armadyl Staff, and kit him up to face Guthix. They would probably need to bring him here to do that.

[Hippodo]

The Mourners aren't resurrecting Zamorak, and he didn't die either. When the Staff of Armadyl impaled both Zaros and Zamorak, Zaros vanished from this realm while Zamorak 'seemed to get more real', that is what the old stories tell. Zamorak never died. The Mourners are in fact trying to transfer Zamorak from the God Realm to this dimension, something that is forbidden by Guthix.

 

 

 

I seem to remember that one of the other gods (Sara? Or that curse of Zaros'?) booted Zammy from the realm, and he only returned once he became a god (note that means he was not a god directly after defeating (sort of) Zaros), and after that he and the other gods wiped out most of the remaining Zaros followers. Then along came the God Wars, and Guthix waking up, and then we all know what happened. But

 

1) Is it Zammy the Mourners are trying to bring in, or perhaps one of his generals (like the gwd boss), or even another god/almighty being. They could even intend to re-oen the world gate, and bring in some enemy of Seren, sort of like Zammy is the enemy of Sara. Of course, opening the world gate would probably piss Guthix off, given that It was probably the one to close it, and the void knights (who serve Guthix's ideals) spend all their time closing portals, but if they were isolated at the time of the God Wars, they might not even know about the Edicts.

 

2) Do the Guthixian edicts specifically forbid the gods moving to the material world? They forbid interference, but if one were to enter the world, would that count? He wouldn't be able to do anything, but who knows, maybe they intend to get the Stone of Jas and/or the Armadyl Staff, and kit him up to face Guthix. They would probably need to bring him here to do that.

 

Yes, you're actually right on this one... :shock: I re-read all the books in my rl library ( :twss: ) and found that after Zamorak was stabbed and became 'more solid', he was banished by some god(s), and returned shortly after as a god. This information probably comes from the Shadow Robes Miniquest, which I have not yet completed, to my own regret.

 

 

 

Answer to 1) In-game I only saw npc's talking about some 'Dark Lord' or something like that, but the RuneScape Wiki says that it is revealed they mean Zamorak. I think I saw somewhere that the Evil Iorwerth Clan supported Zamorak... :-k

 

 

 

Answer to 2) I don't think the Guthixian Edicts forbid that, but Guthix itself did it. The Edicts only state that once good or evil becomes too relatively powerful, Guthix will come forth and reshape the world according to his original plans, destroying it in the process. But after It ended the Godwars, Guthix banished all Gods from this plane, and said that all quarrels must be fought out in the God Realm, and that they couldn't have any direct influence onto this world, except through followers.

 

 

 

I compliment you on your knowledge of the Runescape Lores and History btw :

[Lt_Wolfe]

I love Runescape history.

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Edicts_of_Guthix

 

 

 

The Edicts of Guthix state that, should ANY god attempt to disrupt the balance of power, Guthixian worshipers will awake Guthix who will then destroy Gielinor and then recreate it. Think of it as a sort of "surge protector" for the game. It's actually a lot like WWI in some ways. If two gods opposed each other they might call in help, which would lead to a large war that would devastate the world, much like what happened in the Third Age, most notably in the desert).

 

 

 

The Edicts of Guthix aren't an item, they aren't a law, it's simply a threat that if anything gets out of balance, Guthix will come and hit the proverbial reset button. Basically we just need to stay calm and prevent any god from getting too strong, even if we support that god.

 

 

 

And no, it isn't forbidden for a god to come back, but that god is not allowed to have any influence on the world itself, only through, as Hippo said, his/her followers, which might mean that it is permitted by the Guthixian Edicts for a god to give powers to a follower that then uses that power to influence the world, but then that would also conflict with another rule of the Edicts: balance cannot be changed one way or another. The Edicts, while ancient and simple, are actually very strong in that there are no real loopholes, which I find interesting.

 

 

 

It was indeed Guthix who created this world, but not the dimension. He found the dimension abandoned (potentially because of something like the Edicts of Guthix, but the Elder Gods didn't want to restore the world?) and created the land, the seas, and the life. Supposedly the TzHaar were also there in the beginning, but it's unclear exactly. That small portal we saw in Meeting History was actually the "World Gate" that was later sealed by Guthix due to the threat of out-side forces invading Gielinor. It is sealed to this day, but it is thought that one of the seals on the World Gate has been broken recently, which would cause a great problem for all of us, as there are many evil creatures beyond that gate.

[InkofDeath]

but it is thought that one of the seals on the World Gate has been broken recently, which would cause a great problem for all of us, as there are many evil creatures beyond that gate.

 

Aka Pest Control?

 

 

 

RuneScape history = Fascinating.

 

 

 

Also, isn't the door in the GWD possibly The Gate to the God Realm?

[Howlin1]

but it is thought that one of the seals on the World Gate has been broken recently, which would cause a great problem for all of us, as there are many evil creatures beyond that gate.

 

Aka Pest Control?

 

 

 

RuneScape history = Fascinating.

 

 

 

Also, isn't the door in the GWD possibly The Gate to the God Realm?

 

 

 

Maybe the door at the Mithril dragons as well then?

[Hantoumei]

So, in both shortened form, and layman's terms, The Guthixian Edicts are just Guthixian philosophy with an extra threat at the end (Don't break this or i [Guthix] will remove you, and everyone else.). But yeah, it is difficult for anything so simple to have a loophole at all.

[mervinator_9]

He found the dimension abandoned (potentially because of something like the Edicts of Guthix, but the Elder Gods didn't want to restore the world?) and created the land, the seas, and the life.

Lt_Wolfe i salute you, the idea of a possible guthixian edicts having already taken place and the world being destroyed in the past, and rebuild since, is an inspired concept, almost Halo/Forerunner type storyline, utterly brilliant.

 

 

 

Runescape history is so overlooked outside the game :( , even on the offical RS site

 

If only tip it or another site had a nice section devoted to a solid timeline

[Howlin1]

He found the dimension abandoned (potentially because of something like the Edicts of Guthix, but the Elder Gods didn't want to restore the world?) and created the land, the seas, and the life.

Lt_Wolfe i salute you, the idea of a possible guthixian edicts having already taken place and the world being destroyed in the past, and rebuild since, is an inspired concept, almost Halo/Forerunner type storyline, utterly brilliant.

 

 

 

Runescape history is so overlooked outside the game :( , even on the offical RS site

 

If only tip it or another site had a nice section devoted to a solid timeline

 

 

 

This help?