Dear Readers,

 

 

 

I have been an air assister/ air trader almost since the beginning of the opening of world 16 as a specified air running world. After the Decembers update I was thinking they killed runecrafting, since air runes where now 17 ea in the shop and caught be bought with "buy x". Also due to the trade limits we could not trade our noted essences plus some gold of us for unnoted essences and killed the first stage of easy runecrafting for all runecrafters, since at first it did cost a little bit to pay your runners but as your rc level went up you began making profits.

 

 

 

Then came the new idea of assisting to replace the old runecrafting ways, and sure it could get us 30k xp a day maximum (with an half an hour of work) but it was not the 210k xp a day we could easily get on the old way. But we changed our thoughts on this topic and we started assisting like maniacs still helping out the runners.

 

 

 

Jagex thought that with the new runecrafting game they opened a new door for more runecrafters by having us play a silly game that truly annoys you if you play it for long periods of time. I for one do not like minigames since they make me go mad at my laptop if it is lagging or working to slow ( i r :ugeek: :lol: ). Due to the new minigame that could be started at 50 runecrafting there was a run for the rune essences which went up in price from 25 ea to 60 ea, making it impossible for the lower runecrafters to make profits. When more people where able to play the minigame more ess came into the market which dropped the prices again, airs had dropped 1 gp due to the new minigame.

 

 

 

Then suddenly Jagex thinks they just can change the air prices and let them drop from 14 gp ea to 10 gp ea, making it virtually impossible to make a good profit out of runecrafting even if you use the assistance of people that can give you 9 or 10 airs per essence.

 

 

 

In the meanwhile Jagex has never made any attempts to stop the scamming that was going on in the air altar and which was objected by all good runners & assisters.

 

 

 

Really Jagex I hate the idiot that came up with all these splendid idea's to kill runecrafting and I hope his next brilliant idea will be to set himself on fire and jump from the Jagex office screaming: "OMG I can fly!"

 

 

 

We do not need any more of Jagex updates, because for everything they try to fix, well they might fix that problem, but in turn we get about 40 new problems back into runescape....

 

 

 

Well I hope there will be more people here that have an idea on this topic, I can't wait to hear them!

And as a loyal customer how should Jagex rectify the problem to keep you satisfied? Oh wait, you don't pay.

We do not need any more of Jagex updates, because for everything they try to fix, well they might fix that problem, but in turn we get about 40 new problems back into runescape....

 

 

 

So now that you can't run airs anymore, it means that Jagex is demolishing Runescape?

 

 

 

Right.

no it is just one of the things Jagex has done lately which I do not agree on.

This could be a good rant if you weren't wrong on practically every single point you've made.

 

 

 

The December updates didn't kill Runecrafting, it made running harder. Boohoo, Jagex made .01% of the skill less convenient, they're clearly out to destroy runescape! Or should I say, RUINEDSCAPE lolZ.

 

 

 

The fact that Jagex limited it to 30k daily tells you what they think about running as a way of training.

 

 

 

Wow! More players runecrafting causes ess prices to rise? It's as if you have no idea how basic economics work!

 

 

 

Jagex changed the air prices? Can you prove this? Last I checked, the players buying and selling set the price on the grand exchange. The way you say it, it's as if some Jagex employee said "Hey, look, Air Runes. 14gp? Pffft, 10gp MOTHA[bLEEP] HOW U LIEK DAT?" Please, let's stop with the omg-jagex-conspiraceee, it drives your argument into the ground about as violently as a plane crash.

 

 

 

It's not Jagex's job to make sure people aren't lying about their runecrafting skillz. Last I checked, inflating your e-peen wasn't against the rules

 

 

 

To 'scam' means to cheat another player during a trade.

 

 

 

I don't see anything about lying about your skills.

 

 

 

To your "I hate the idiot" thing, ha. Because I"m sure Jagex stood around a table and said "Hey, we all hate runecrafters (especially mauranius. Really, what a crybaby), let's figure out a way to ruin the skill! I know it's our game and therefore our passion, but let's ruin it. Why? So some kiddy can tell everyone else that we're ruining it, that's why!" And to retort your suggestion, I hope your next plan of action is to clean up your tears before they short circuit your keyboard and do some research into your argument rather than play the anti-fanboy (The opposite of a fanboy who praises everything, the anti complains about every little thing)

 

 

 

We don't need more of Jagex's updates? Who is this "we"? Stop including myself and the other players into your barely intelligible drivel. We don't agree with you because none of your points are valid, they just come back to "omg Jadax hats us! RIOT IN FALADOR, N00BS JAGX FANBOIS"

We do not need any more of Jagex updates, because for everything they try to fix, well they might fix that problem, but in turn we get about 40 new problems back into runescape....

 

 

 

 

We?

 

I havnt had a problem with ANY updates. Even the December ones BARELY affected me.

 

YOUR the one that doesnt want updates. So dont include me. Or anyone.

 

And, I know only one person has said it, but, you dont pay. Members get priority in the forums, priority in ban appeals, priority in bug fixes (why do you think the HD beta was members only? To fix the big problems first) and so, a slight inconvenience to the FTP runecrafter, now makes no profit, thats just too bad. Get members and start making over 200+ per nature (doubles) or whatever the profit margins on bloods, deaths, and laws are.

I think air running was never really efficient for cash because there were/are better ways of making money. And I'd think that other runes are better cash than airs.

I haven't really cared that much about the huge updates in December. Sure, I'll miss the occasional fun PK Trip with my friends, but that's pretty much it - and that will also be coming back in a different form soon - according to JaGeX. So don't say that everybody gave the least bit of a [cabbage] about the updates. Of course I did care, but not as much as others that quit, etc.

 

 

 

About you blaming JaGeX on the prices of the Grand Exchange..wow. I hope you realize the fact that the players are the causes of the item prices, even in the Grand Exchange. #-o

 

 

 

Also, JaGeX only killed RuneCrafting in the eyes of people that didn't even do it in the way that it was meant to be performed. JaGeX had ideas of RuneCrafting being people getting Essence and a Tiara/Talisman, and clicking on the Altar for their experience. Everything to blame is on players, so don't go to the throats of JaGeX every time you don't like an update made.

I think air running was never really efficient for cash because there were/are better ways of making money. And I'd think that other runes are better cash than airs.

 

 

 

It never was about the cash, the experience was the reason. :P

 

 

 

Technically though, Jagex doesn't really control the prices of runes and essence. Those prices are under the influence of players... Though I agree that Jagex could do a bit more to stop the liars, any runner could easily just look up the person on the hiscore.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure the development team isn't trying to kill F2P runecrafting.. >.<

 

 

 

Using Jagex as a scapegoat for player actions isn't good.

 

Technically though, Jagex doesn't really control the prices of runes and essence. Those prices are under the influence of players... Though I agree that Jagex could do a bit more to stop the liars, any runner could easily just look up the person on the hiscore.

 

 

 

The easiest thing Jagex can do is allow players to advertise a level above their heads (except in pvp areas) for assisting. It is virtually impossible to make lying about your levels against the rules without pissing off a whole lot of people.

 

Technically though, Jagex doesn't really control the prices of runes and essence. Those prices are under the influence of players... Though I agree that Jagex could do a bit more to stop the liars, any runner could easily just look up the person on the hiscore.

 

 

 

The easiest thing Jagex can do is allow players to advertise a level above their heads (except in pvp areas) for assisting. It is virtually impossible to make lying about your levels against the rules without pissing off a whole lot of people.

 

Hm, highscores may help this. I'm pretty sure most browsers can tab, can't they?

And as a loyal customer how should Jagex rectify the problem to keep you satisfied? Oh wait, you don't pay.

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly? What the hell did you just contribute? Nothing?

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

OT : I think you should find a better way to craft. Minds, bodies, fires, I dont know. I never really FTP RC'd

Hm, highscores may help this. I'm pretty sure most browsers can tab, can't they?

 

 

 

This game has people complaining that the HD requirements are too high. Never underestimate how many people probably still run off of a computer that can't run multiple applications, let alone multiple tabs. It'd be easier just to program quickchat to put that little bubble next to your name when you quickchat your level, so you know who's telling the truth.

This could be a good rant if you weren't wrong on practically every single point you've made.

 

 

 

The December updates didn't kill Runecrafting, it made running harder. Boohoo, Jagex made .01% of the skill less convenient, they're clearly out to destroy runescape! Or should I say, RUINEDSCAPE lolZ.

 

 

 

The fact that Jagex limited it to 30k daily tells you what they think about running as a way of training.

 

 

 

Wow! More players runecrafting causes ess prices to rise? It's as if you have no idea how basic economics work!

 

 

 

Jagex changed the air prices? Can you prove this? Last I checked, the players buying and selling set the price on the grand exchange. The way you say it, it's as if some Jagex employee said "Hey, look, Air Runes. 14gp? Pffft, 10gp MOTHA[bLEEP] HOW U LIEK DAT?" Please, let's stop with the omg-jagex-conspiraceee, it drives your argument into the ground about as violently as a plane crash.

 

 

 

It's not Jagex's job to make sure people aren't lying about their runecrafting skillz. Last I checked, inflating your e-peen wasn't against the rules

 

 

 

To 'scam' means to cheat another player during a trade.

 

 

 

I don't see anything about lying about your skills.

 

 

 

To your "I hate the idiot" thing, ha. Because I"m sure Jagex stood around a table and said "Hey, we all hate runecrafters (especially mauranius. Really, what a crybaby), let's figure out a way to ruin the skill! I know it's our game and therefore our passion, but let's ruin it. Why? So some kiddy can tell everyone else that we're ruining it, that's why!" And to retort your suggestion, I hope your next plan of action is to clean up your tears before they short circuit your keyboard and do some research into your argument rather than play the anti-fanboy (The opposite of a fanboy who praises everything, the anti complains about every little thing)

 

 

 

We don't need more of Jagex's updates? Who is this "we"? Stop including myself and the other players into your barely intelligible drivel. We don't agree with you because none of your points are valid, they just come back to "omg Jadax hats us! RIOT IN FALADOR, N00BS JAGX FANBOIS"

Show some sympathy, please. Just because it does not affect you doesn't mean that you need to belittle the woes of others. And, for your information, the December tenth updates affected a lot more than making .01% of the skill less convenient. What about law runners? Or the Nature runners? Those were MEMBERS that were affected by these updates. And advertising a false skill level IS scamming, regardless of what the rules say. You are cheating another person during a trade-the trade of his essence for runes and for exp for you. Even if it is only 10 gp per essence that they lose, that can break some of the poorer and more inexperienced players.

Dear Readers,

 

Then came the new idea of assisting to replace the old runecrafting ways, and sure it could get us 30k xp a day maximum (with an half an hour of work) but it was not the 210k xp a day we could easily get on the old way. But we changed our thoughts on this topic and we started assisting like maniacs still helping out the runners.

 

The fastest rc exp in the game is earth gloves + earth altar tabs (~40k exp per hour. In a 5 hour period that's basically the same as the air running.) And if I'm not mistaken and TipIt rc guide is correct, the earth gloves are both f2p and p2p.

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex thought that with the new runecrafting game they opened a new door for more runecrafters by having us play a silly game that truly annoys you if you play it for long periods of time. I for one do not like minigames since they make me go mad at my laptop if it is lagging or working to slow ( i r :ugeek: :lol: ). Due to the new minigame that could be started at 50 runecrafting there was a run for the rune essences which went up in price from 25 ea to 60 ea, making it impossible for the lower runecrafters to make profits. When more people where able to play the minigame more ess came into the market which dropped the prices again, airs had dropped 1 gp due to the new minigame.

 

 

 

When you see that there is an average of ~6000 tokens entering the game every 16 minutes and both rune and pure ess are 1 token each, it is fairly straightforward to conclude "gee, this will make a lot of ess come in! That means ess prices will fall and more ess means more runes, which means that rune prices will also fall!"

 

 

 

Then suddenly Jagex thinks they just can change the air prices and let them drop from 14 gp ea to 10 gp ea, making it virtually impossible to make a good profit out of runecrafting even if you use the assistance of people that can give you 9 or 10 airs per essence.

 

 

 

Unless you can prove that Jagex manually changed the prices (like they stated that "Air runes' price will now be reduced" on the price changing thread in the RSOF), then it must be assumed that the prices adjusted according to what people demanded

 

 

 

In the meanwhile Jagex has never made any attempts to stop the scamming that was going on in the air altar and which was objected by all good runners & assisters.

 

 

 

This really should be stopped. It falls under the definition of scam and should be corrected with a simple table for the skill borrower to check up on the skills he/she wants.

 

 

 

Really Jagex I hate the idiot that came up with all these splendid idea's to kill runecrafting and I hope his next brilliant idea will be to set himself on fire and jump from the Jagex office screaming: "OMG I can fly!"

 

 

 

First thing out of my mouth when I saw the updates: "Well, runecrafting just got nerfed. Might as well get 65 rcing!"

 

 

 

We do not need any more of Jagex updates, because for everything they try to fix, well they might fix that problem, but in turn we get about 40 new problems back into runescape....

 

Those problems are either exploits or bugs. Both are just part of life and the game. And I know you are exagerating, but post the number of "problems" which you list (e.g. 40) as examples before jumping to conclusions.

 

I totally agree. :thumbup: :)

I am with you Mauranius as far as some of the points you make and I will add my thoughts on these:-

 

 

 

1. The two minigames that help runecrafting ie FOG and The Orb project are rubbish and do not even match up to a poor miniclip game. They rely very much on cooperation with your adversary (ie no logging out when losing , no deliberately hepling other team etc). The rewards given ie gloves and tabs take so long to collect that they are not good for players that are really only interested in xp rates.

 

2. The "idea" that the game might be great has caused an enormous number of lower levelled crafters to craft their own airs for their own xp. This has probably caused the air price to drop. This price will rise again as players at level 30 odd start to realise that the game is not as good as they think and also how hard it is to raise runecrafting at only 6k per hour.

 

3. We mainly agree that assisters should not lie about the help they can give and it is woeful that JAGeX have not implemented a solution. It must be embarrassing for player mods in the altar to see these "scammers" and just stand around hopelessly. For those people who think that this is not scamming and that the players should look up the assisters in the high scores I would remind you that we were all newbs who never knew about high scores etc. (In all seriousness I was level 40ish runecrafter before I stumbled on World 16). It is not in the spirit of the game.

 

4. JAGeX have helped us more than hindered in the long term. The release of the G.E has given all players so much more opportunity to level other skills such as prayer so much faster which compensates somewhat. We all remember the times of sitting in Falador East bank screaming " Buying 20k steel bars @ 550" (Price has gone up of course) and hated it. What about getting wool? My most abhorred job of all.

 

 

 

So what to do?

 

 

 

For you personally it is simple because you have used the assisting and noted for unnoted old method to get to such a high level that you can use tiaras etc in any case so relax. It is possible to get 15k per hour which means you just have to spend 2 hours per day instead of one hour(and you can do it when you want with breaks etc).

 

For the rest of us we will just need to re adjust targets. We can run our own airs and make 80k per hour (price of essence has dropped so this is achievable with teleport and cabbage port). This method also gives 7200k xp per hour. The members that were using the air altar for assisting will leave as the xp rate drops and air runners will return so at some point it will be worthwhile again.

 

There are other skills to get 99s in which I will do and if I only have 2 left in 1 years time I already know that they will be rc and prayer when I will be able to run my own airs to pay for buying bones.

 

 

 

ps Ill be 91 rc this weekend, woot double nats!! Oh blast not member

Show some sympathy, please. Just because it does not affect you doesn't mean that you need to belittle the woes of others. And, for your information, the December tenth updates affected a lot more than making .01% of the skill less convenient. What about law runners? Or the Nature runners? Those were MEMBERS that were affected by these updates. And advertising a false skill level IS scamming, regardless of what the rules say. You are cheating another person during a trade-the trade of his essence for runes and for exp for you. Even if it is only 10 gp per essence that they lose, that can break some of the poorer and more inexperienced players.

 

 

 

Ok, adding in law and nature runners, so it's made .05% of the skill less convenient.

 

 

 

Also: Jagex's rules > Player's rules. I'm not condoning it, but there's no way Jagex can make lying about your skills against the rules without this popping up all over runescape:

 

 

 

Player(quickchat): My Fishing level is: 68

 

Player 2: My fishing level is: 999 lolz

 

Player: OMG REPORTED 4 IT3M SC4MEENG

 

Player 2: :shock:

In my opinion, it's your skill. It's not the runner's skill. I don't see why every skill has to be a service towards everyone. Runecrafting should not be a service but a skill in which you craft runes for use or for commercial use. People should not benefit from your skill for FREE without working, and by that I don't mean clicking and running back and forth. They should work for it and not just get it from you. And you should just do it the old fashioned way and run yourself. You make a much better profit, and these rants don't come into your head.

no it is just one of the things Jagex has done lately which I do not agree on.

 

 

 

I don't agree with you. Go die.

 

 

 

^ That's your attitude.

IMO, lying about your runecrafting stat to get people to request assist is scamming, its as if you traded the essence to the player, then they trade you back something that wasn't agreed upon. If someone says x8 or x9, then they'd better give me x8 or x9 airs per ess.

 

 

 

I think, though, that overall jagex improved runecrafting, especially for F2P. The items combined from FoG and GOP make runecrafting x5 easier - x2 the xp from rc gloves, and x2.5 faster from the teleports.

 

 

 

The fact that you didn't see the price of ess skyrocketing for a short period of time is just bad merchanting skills on your part, I know I predicted that it would about double early on.

 

The fact that you didn't see the price of ess skyrocketing for a short period of time is just bad merchanting skills on your part, I know I predicted that it would about double early on.

 

 

 

I knew ess price would rise, it is more about the last part that airs dropped in 1 night from 14 gp ea average to 10 gp average after Jagex said some of the GE prices where changed....

get over it noob

get over it noob

 

 

 

Amazing just amazing...You just broke, probably, the first rule in the book of ranting, "Do NOT tell the ranter to get over it,

 

or build a bridge and get over it or anything similar..."

 

 

 

He is venting his frustration and anger here, try to agree with him or just leave it if you don't have anything usefull to

 

contribute with.

 

 

 

Now I agree that Runecrafting is messed up but we can't do much about it, emergent gameplay is almost impossible to

 

discover with all the restrictions.

 

 

 

[hide=Tip.it Times article explaining Emergent Gameplay]

Emergent gameplay is when players manipulate gaming software in ways the original creator had not foreseen or intended. For example, in Quake the rocket launcher does a great deal of damage, blasting enemies across the map. Clever players learned to rocket jump -- by shooting a rocket at their feet they could propel themselves great distances (though injuring themselves significantly in the process).

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You are a respectable player in Runescape in my opinion, 100% and lots of stats 99, (better than me) And I won't go on about how you don't pay blah blah blah... But I think that Jagex did this for the benefit of others, Yet I can't see how... I am sure they meant good by it.

 

 

 

Just don't blame them for hiding penguins in bushes. (hope no Rant comes out about this :roll: )