Slayer Sucks

[dpattle]

Ok, i really really don't like that. It takes literally a quarter of a second to pick up charms. Especially if you're already in that space picking up the norm drop. :wall:

[nightshade53]

Picking up charms at Abbys makes you slow down.

 

 

 

Picking up the (mostly green or gold) charms up at greens takes up inventory space, meaning you have to bank more often with less profit per hour. Also, at abbys you can pick up drops while in combat as the spawns are close together.

[ydrasil]

Just a small note on camping abyssal demons;

 

 

 

Per hour;

 

65k Melee XP;

 

250k profit, assuming whips have a 1 in 700 chance of being dropped.

 

35 Crimsons and a small amount of Blue charms.

 

 

 

I have camped nearly 8m melee xp there.

 

I am certain that drop rate is higher than 1/700, it is somewhere around 1/400 to 1/450. Since it is a rate of 65k melee xp/h, that means you get 108.3 kills per hour, which is approximately 1/4 of a Whip every hour. Only taking that into account results in about 375k profit per hour, however the other drops are not worthless. On Slayer I get over 150k per hour from all drops exlcuding the Whip, so the average rate for off Slayer will be slightly less, around 125k. So it is about 500k profit per hour for camping Abyssal Demons.

 

 

 

While you get about 35 crimsons per hour camping, you will get about 17 gold, 5 green and 2 blue charms. This is about 17k Summoning experience, maybe less depending on what you are able to make. If you add up all the experience gained, you get roughly (65,000+21,666+17,000) 103.7k experience. Armoured Zombies is (103,000+34,333+9000) 146.3k experience per hour (according to compfreak847, also the 9k is for experience form the charms). Also profit rates would be 500k and 190k respectively.

 

 

 

In short, for Abyssal Demons to gain the same amount of experience as Armoured Zombies would in one hour, would take approximately 1.41 hours. In that amount of time you would gain 705.4k profit. Armoured Zombies now has 0.41 hours to make back the 895.4k (705.4+190). This requires about 2.18mil per hour to be made.

 

 

 

After all that, what does it show? Absolutely nothing :lol: . This thread was intended to show that Slayer "sucks" for combat experience by showing a method that is considered to be more efficient (and at my Slayer rates, Slayer wins). It isn't a comparison of a whole skill to one monster exactly, it is a comparison of the rate of combat experience gotten in each.

 

 

 

P.S For picking up any drop (charms or otherwise), if timed right you lose no time at all.

[manitstinks]

Today i used summona just to try her out. she gave me basilisks. I got 2k slayer xp in 30 minutes. -.- so awesome... -.-

[Sir_Kurity]

Yea slayer really is horrible for making money, and XP.

 

 

 

The main reason i see most people getting slayer is for slayer staff, leaf bladed weapons, and broad bolts.

[bedman]

Just a small note on camping abyssal demons;

 

 

 

Per hour;

 

65k Melee XP;

 

250k profit, assuming whips have a 1 in 700 chance of being dropped.

 

35 Crimsons and a small amount of Blue charms.

 

 

 

I have camped nearly 8m melee xp there.

 

I am certain that drop rate is higher than 1/700, it is somewhere around 1/400 to 1/450. Since it is a rate of 65k melee xp/h, that means you get 108.3 kills per hour, which is approximately 1/4 of a Whip every hour. Only taking that into account results in about 375k profit per hour, however the other drops are not worthless. On Slayer I get over 150k per hour from all drops exlcuding the Whip, so the average rate for off Slayer will be slightly less, around 125k. So it is about 500k profit per hour for camping Abyssal Demons.

 

 

 

While you get about 35 crimsons per hour camping, you will get about 17 gold, 5 green and 2 blue charms. This is about 17k Summoning experience, maybe less depending on what you are able to make. If you add up all the experience gained, you get roughly (65,000+21,666+17,000) 103.7k experience. Armoured Zombies is (103,000+34,333+9000) 146.3k experience per hour (according to compfreak847, also the 9k is for experience form the charms). Also profit rates would be 500k and 190k respectively.

 

 

 

In short, for Abyssal Demons to gain the same amount of experience as Armoured Zombies would in one hour, would take approximately 1.41 hours. In that amount of time you would gain 705.4k profit. Armoured Zombies now has 0.41 hours to make back the 895.4k (705.4+190). This requires about 2.18mil per hour to be made.

 

 

 

After all that, what does it show? Absolutely nothing :lol: . This thread was intended to show that Slayer "sucks" for combat experience by showing a method that is considered to be more efficient (and at my Slayer rates, Slayer wins). It isn't a comparison of a whole skill to one monster exactly, it is a comparison of the rate of combat experience gotten in each.

 

 

 

P.S For picking up any drop (charms or otherwise), if timed right you lose no time at all.

 

 

 

I like your facts and all but you got to realise your rates are very hard to obtain.

 

 

 

I've recently been slaying and I can't give exact numbers, but a few times I did 10 minutes, or 1 hour samples and got MUCH lower rates.

 

 

 

(fiends for instance, I got only 92 crimsons per hour last task, flicking piety mostly, and using Z spear. I reckon I could get up to 100+, but certainly not 140, yet my stats are only 5 lower than you)

 

 

 

I don't claim your rates are impossible, but it seems that getting your slayer rates is quite a bit harder than getting comp's AZ rates. AZ's are much more simple. You don't have to quickly change gears and inventory, knowing what you'll need by heart and not forgetting anything. You don't have to know the best spot to place your cannon (I always forget that one...). You don't have to ...

 

 

 

I'm 86 slayer, so I do have *some* experience with slayer, FYI.

[Obtaurian]

Just a small note on camping abyssal demons;

 

 

 

Per hour;

 

65k Melee XP;

 

250k profit, assuming whips have a 1 in 700 chance of being dropped.

 

35 Crimsons and a small amount of Blue charms.

 

 

 

I have camped nearly 8m melee xp there.

 

I am certain that drop rate is higher than 1/700, it is somewhere around 1/400 to 1/450. Since it is a rate of 65k melee xp/h, that means you get 108.3 kills per hour, which is approximately 1/4 of a Whip every hour. Only taking that into account results in about 375k profit per hour, however the other drops are not worthless. On Slayer I get over 150k per hour from all drops exlcuding the Whip, so the average rate for off Slayer will be slightly less, around 125k. So it is about 500k profit per hour for camping Abyssal Demons.

 

 

 

While you get about 35 crimsons per hour camping, you will get about 17 gold, 5 green and 2 blue charms. This is about 17k Summoning experience, maybe less depending on what you are able to make. If you add up all the experience gained, you get roughly (65,000+21,666+17,000) 103.7k experience. Armoured Zombies is (103,000+34,333+9000) 146.3k experience per hour (according to compfreak847, also the 9k is for experience form the charms). Also profit rates would be 500k and 190k respectively.

 

 

 

In short, for Abyssal Demons to gain the same amount of experience as Armoured Zombies would in one hour, would take approximately 1.41 hours. In that amount of time you would gain 705.4k profit. Armoured Zombies now has 0.41 hours to make back the 895.4k (705.4+190). This requires about 2.18mil per hour to be made.

 

 

 

After all that, what does it show? Absolutely nothing :lol: . This thread was intended to show that Slayer "sucks" for combat experience by showing a method that is considered to be more efficient (and at my Slayer rates, Slayer wins). It isn't a comparison of a whole skill to one monster exactly, it is a comparison of the rate of combat experience gotten in each.

 

 

 

P.S For picking up any drop (charms or otherwise), if timed right you lose no time at all.

 

 

 

I like your facts and all but you got to realise your rates are very hard to obtain.

 

 

 

I've recently been slaying and I can't give exact numbers, but a few times I did 10 minutes, or 1 hour samples and got MUCH lower rates.

 

 

 

(fiends for instance, I got only 92 crimsons per hour last task, flicking piety mostly, and using Z spear. I reckon I could get up to 100+, but certainly not 140, yet my stats are only 5 lower than you)

 

 

 

I don't claim your rates are impossible, but it seems that getting your slayer rates is quite a bit harder than getting comp's AZ rates. AZ's are much more simple. You don't have to quickly change gears and inventory, knowing what you'll need by heart and not forgetting anything. You don't have to know the best spot to place your cannon (I always forget that one...). You don't have to ...

 

 

 

I'm 86 slayer, so I do have *some* experience with slayer, FYI.

 

 

 

There are a few tricks to slaying very quickly, most of which are outlined in Zarfot's guide. Zarfot has also stated that when he was slaying, he kept a list of inventories and equipment next to his computer for quick reference. It's pretty handy. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Also keep in mind that obtaining max experience rates means constant attention and reaction.

[compfreak847]

 

There are a few tricks to slaying very quickly, most of which are outlined in Zarfot's guide. Zarfot has also stated that when he was slaying, he kept a list of inventories and equipment next to his computer for quick reference. It's pretty handy. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Also keep in mind that obtaining max experience rates means constant attention and reaction.

 

That is true, but there is a certain limit to that. I'm having a VERY hard time with the 140 crimsons per hour - I have tried many times, and I have never achieved anything close to that rate. Other numbers like proift for mages\demons are being skewed by small sample sizes; drops like this should be calculated from larger samples, as only XP can be accurately determined in a few tasks.

[nightshade53]

Just a small note on camping abyssal demons;

 

 

 

Per hour;

 

65k Melee XP;

 

250k profit, assuming whips have a 1 in 700 chance of being dropped.

 

35 Crimsons and a small amount of Blue charms.

 

 

 

I have camped nearly 8m melee xp there.

 

Thats not slayer thats camping :P

 

 

 

True, but still, ya need slayer to camp there. And then i believe it'd be fair to compare something like abby's to armored zombies. This is because i see it as unfair to compare a whole skills with lord knows how many diff monsters(good and bad) to just one monster. Whereas if you are comparing a monster vs monster, it is more[insert word i just forgot]. Especially if you need slayer to get to that monster, making slayer much more worth it. Monster vs Monster wise, high slayer is awesome and essential. \ : ;)

 

 

 

But then you're not comparing slayer to anything, you're comparing a slayer monster to armored zombies. On top of that, you're not earning slayer experience by camping.

 

 

 

Yeah, as it seems that armoured zombies were the best non-slayer had on slayer, and I feel that abyssals are better ;)

[pureprayer]

Whats the minimum stats to tank abyssal demons?

[compfreak847]

 

Yeah, as it seems that armoured zombies were the best non-slayer had on slayer, and I feel that abyssals are better ;)

 

But they aren't ;)

[dpattle]

 

Yeah, as it seems that armoured zombies were the best non-slayer had on slayer, and I feel that abyssals are better ;)

 

But they aren't ;)

 

 

 

Wouldn't that depend on what you mean by "better?" Money wise they are, exp wise, the still come close, though they aren't better in that aspect.

[compfreak847]

 

Wouldn't that depend on what you mean by "better?" Money wise they are, exp wise, the still come close, though they aren't better in that aspect.

 

Err, what? They are 60k better for money, a tiny difference, equivalent to a few minutes at GWD - but they are 65k melee XP instead of 103k, a huge difference considering we are talking about the fastest method of melee training.

[pureprayer]

At the stats needed for abbysal tanking (we will say 90/90/90), and 50 slayer, you could have maxed melees before you get 85 slayer and start training on them.

[dpattle]

 

Wouldn't that depend on what you mean by "better?" Money wise they are, exp wise, the still come close, though they aren't better in that aspect.

 

Err, what? They are 60k better for money, a tiny difference, equivalent to a few minutes at GWD - but they are 65k melee XP instead of 103k, a huge difference considering we are talking about the fastest method of melee training.

 

 

 

Which is why i said depending on your definition of "better" lolz.

[dpattle]

At the stats needed for abbysal tanking (we will say 90/90/90), and 50 slayer, you could have maxed melees before you get 85 slayer and start training on them.

 

 

 

whaa? :? :? :? :wall: =P~

[compfreak847]

 

 

 

Which is why i said depending on your definition of "better" lolz.

 

Depends if you mean 'better' as in MUCH slower overall cash\XP or 'better' as in MUCH faster overall cash\XP.

[howbadisbad]

 

Wouldn't that depend on what you mean by "better?" Money wise they are, exp wise, the still come close, though they aren't better in that aspect.

 

Err, what? They are 60k better for money, a tiny difference, equivalent to a few minutes at GWD - but they are 65k melee XP instead of 103k, a huge difference considering we are talking about the fastest method of melee training.

 

 

 

40k more xp an hour vs 60k cash

 

i would take the xp \

[pureprayer]

At the stats needed for abbysal tanking (we will say 90/90/90), and 50 slayer, you could have maxed melees before you get 85 slayer and start training on them.

 

 

 

whaa? :? :? :? :wall: =P~

 

Slayer is 60k melee xp/h what amounts to 20k slayer xp/h. At that rate it takes 155 hours from 50 to 85 slayer. With those 155 hours, you can get 15.9 Million xp at zombies. Or 5.3 million xp in all your stats. With another 5.3 million (we started at 90/90/90) you have a total of 10.6 million xp in all your stats when the other player has 85 slayer, and 7.8 million xp in all their stats. By the time (80 hours) it takes from 7.8 Million xp to all melee stats being 99 you will get 40 million gold. At zombies (23 hours) you will have 99 melees and 4.4 million gold. But in the 57 hours you have spare you can get another 31.3 million gold amounting to about 34.6 million.

 

 

 

But when you factor in the extra cash you get from armored zombies from 90/90/90 to 99/99/99 you will have an amount over 40 million.

[TheFilthyBastard]

At the stats needed for abbysal tanking (we will say 90/90/90), and 50 slayer, you could have maxed melees before you get 85 slayer and start training on them.

 

 

 

whaa? :? :? :? :wall: =P~

 

Slayer is 60k melee xp/h what amounts to 20k slayer xp/h. At that rate it takes 155 hours from 50 to 85 slayer. With those 155 hours, you can get 15.9 Million xp at zombies. Or 5.3 million xp in all your stats. With another 5.3 million (we started at 90/90/90) you have a total of 10.6 million xp in all your stats when the other player has 85 slayer, and 7.8 million xp in all their stats. By the time (80 hours) it takes from 7.8 Million xp to all melee stats being 99 you will get 40 million gold. At zombies (23 hours) you will have 99 melees and 4.4 million gold. But in the 57 hours you have spare you can get another 31.3 million gold amounting to about 34.6 million.

 

 

 

But when you factor in the extra cash you get from armored zombies from 90/90/90 to 99/99/99 you will have an amount over 40 million.

 

 

 

Woah! That's an amazing piece of maths! =D>

 

 

 

The only reason I do Slayer is for quests, and for fun. I realised a long time ago that Slayer isn't a money making skill, or great xp. But..In the long run, I'd have to get it to 99 someday.. :roll:

[llamster]

 

Wouldn't that depend on what you mean by "better?" Money wise they are, exp wise, the still come close, though they aren't better in that aspect.

 

Err, what? They are 60k better for money, a tiny difference, equivalent to a few minutes at GWD - but they are 65k melee XP instead of 103k, a huge difference considering we are talking about the fastest method of melee training.

 

 

 

60k? More like 200k.

[compfreak847]

 

 

 

60k? More like 200k.

 

Using his numbers, I'm getting 250k - 190k = 60k. His seem off though, even accounting for variations in methods; drop rates seem more frequent. At any rate, it's less efficient.

[SkyarcherX]

bad xp?! You sound like you've never seen a black mask before. You should get one btw, they're great \

[compfreak847]

bad xp?! You sound like you've never seen a black mask before. You should get one btw, they're great \

 

Ooo, that clears it up! Thanks, I'll have to try one :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:wall:

[howbadisbad]

bad xp?! You sound like you've never seen a black mask before. You should get one btw, they're great \

 

Ooo, that clears it up! Thanks, I'll have to try one :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hooray for sarcasm! \