Now befor everyone who is a member starts calling me a traitor and flaming me hear me out ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

F2Pers have allways asked for more banks space saying that they don't have enought room but for the most part nobody ever showed proof or evedence to support their claims. Since I, myself became a member for the sole reason of bank space i have decided to take a technical view of this problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off let me start by saying that i was a f2per who didnt belive that f2pers needed more banking space for a very long period of time. I first started having problems after the fog and Security Center updates this past year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so now for the math...

 

 

 

(note: i will say a grouping of objects then a number to note what i have seen to be the average max and mins of that grouping. it will be noted like this... object(#). This will be followed by an explination.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

of the 60 spaces given to them f2pers us them to hold:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money(1)

 

 

 

everyone has gp in their banks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Armor Melee(5)

 

 

 

most players keep their armor in their banks even when they are training other combat types because they might want to change and not be delayed. they might also be in a clan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Armor Range(3-4)

 

 

 

same reasons as melee armor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Armor Magic(2-3)

 

 

 

same as melee and range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Common Items(3-6)

 

 

 

these are items like pickaxes, hatchets, fishing items, ect. not runes, ores, logs, ect. People will sometimes take breaks to skill to make money or just for fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Runes(6-9)

 

 

 

Runes for telly's, alchs, getting magic up and even just keeping them from drops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amulets(1-3)

 

 

 

Amulets for diffrent combat skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Food(1-3*)

 

 

 

Food for training with or just to get cooking up. note the 3 is more noticed in ppl who are in warring clans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weapons(3-5)

 

 

 

weapons for training mage, melee, and range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Arrows(1-3)

 

 

 

ammunition to train range with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total

 

 

 

-Min(26)

 

 

 

-Max(42)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now alot of you by now are saying i just proved myself wrong and yes right now the numbers are agains me but did any of you notice what i forgot to add into my calculations???

 

 

 

RANDOMS

 

 

 

thats right tons of f2pers keep their random gear because its the only intertaining clothes that they can wear other than those from holiday events they were around for, discontinued items, and nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So then i added that in...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Randoms(10-18)

 

 

 

Yes there are 18 total clothing items from randoms available to f2pers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total

 

 

 

-Min(36)

 

 

 

-Max(60)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But wait there is more!!! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With the updates of Fog and The Great Orb Project came new items for f2p so now back to the math.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fog(1-10)

 

 

 

Most people atleast have some tokens from fog and you can get up too 9 more items, only counting the best shild and guantlets, that dont disappear after they degrade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great Orb Project(0-5)

 

 

 

I put zero here because admitable alot of people dont meet the requirements to play this mini game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so now for the totals again

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Final Totals:

 

 

 

-Min(37)

 

 

 

-Max(75)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you about to say well the minimum is so low so it all balances out. But what you dont see is that the people who, for the most part are in/near the min catagory are those who are new to the game so they dont realy have alot in the first place. Where as the higher levels and even the mid lvls are in or near the Max Catagory.

 

 

 

Also its worth noting that i didnt mention ores, logs, cooking supplies, and other skilling supplies. Its also worth noteing that there may be players out there in f2p that chould legitamently need a 100 space bank especialy if they are in a clan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So does F2P deserve more bank space? Well i think so but im willing to listen to the opposition if they will listen to me. I think that, it might be a sloution to have more bank space rewarded to f2pers after completing dragon slayer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've made my points now its your turn. What do you think?

Currently I am f2p with 53 items banked, 6 of them being member's items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Money-1

 

 

 

Armor Melee-5

 

 

 

Armor Range-4

 

 

 

Armor Mage-0

 

 

 

Common Items-7 (plus pure essence and talismans)

 

 

 

Runes-9

 

 

 

Amulets-

 

 

 

Food-3

 

 

 

Weapons-9 (Counting Skull SCeptre, upper and head)

 

 

 

Arrows-1

 

 

 

Randoms-1

 

 

 

FOG-3

 

 

 

GOP-4

 

 

 

Member Items-6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It all comes down to how you 'prioritize' items, I guess. Don't forget boxing sets can be an advantage.

Currently I am f2p with 53 items banked, 6 of them being member's items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It all comes down to how you 'prioritize' items, I guess. Don't forget boxing sets can be an advantage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

true but im also not saying that you cant play f2p with its limited banks size im just saying it can sometimes be frusturating.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kept having problems while killing roaches because i whould bank the drops to sell later but i also had almost all the randoms in my bank as well because i enjoyed just going and messing around with friends.

You forgot something. If I'm not going to be using a certain set of armour for a long time, then I go to the GE and put them into a set, to save bank space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ex. If I'm training range, then I put my Rune Armour into a set, to save space (4).

the idea of sets had not occured to me so i will conced to the opposition for now.

I do think that f2p should get more bank space. Although I am p2p and am COMPLETELY against f2p begging for updates, It seems reasonable enough that f2p should still be a little more comfortable space wise. I think maybe 10 more spaces should be added.

You forgot something. If I'm not going to be using a certain set of armour for a long time, then I go to the GE and put them into a set, to save bank space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ex. If I'm training range, then I put my Rune Armour into a set, to save space (4).

 

 

 

There are 7 different sets for mages in freeplay (4 unique, the rest are differently coloured variations) and NONE of them can be put into a set. -.-

I rarely run out of bank space, but i think a good idea is to set the bank space based on the number of quest points you have. :D Similar to trade limit.

So does F2P deserve more bank space? Well i think so but im willing to listen to the opposition if they will listen to me. I think that, it might be a sloution to have more bank space rewarded to f2pers after completing dragon slayer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't see that anyone would want to disagree with the bank space issue. F2P and P2P have the same problems, even new members are affected when they join they go around picking up stuff that has hardly any value, i did that when i joined. I went to cow field and picked beef, thinking it would be worth something, even in my first week of becoming a member i had the glass blowing rod not realising that it was hardly worth anything, i couldn't even use it and i kept it untill i wasn't a member persuading myself that i might come in useful.

You actually really dont need that much space, if you sell 10 of and item and 1000 of the same item it'll be the same gold per item. If you sell all pointless money making things when your bank gets too full then your fine.

I have been playing 3 years and have ALL the items I need in my bank and even random event items which I don't need. There was a time when I had a full bank (before the increased bank) so I dropped some random event clothes. I have since gathered those random event sets again and still have at least 10 free bank slots. It all comes down to managing with what you have.

i never said need i said it can become an issue in some circumstances for f2pers. for some ppl banking may never be an issue for others it may effect them everyday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from what im seeing ppl who support more bank space have had these issues in the past or have seen it affect someone they know. the others seem to bee unaware of this event and i maybe wrong but i still think that it can be a hassle in many situations for f2pers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe instead of giving more bank space make random items like holiday items where u can get them back after u drop them. maybe that is an acceptable substitute?

I don't think so.

 

 

 

Having 10 FOG items is ridiculous. Nobody collects all the gaunts/armour.

 

 

 

Armour, you must subtract one section since you are waring one of the three or mixed. Its unlikely you run around naked unless you are a skiller(in which case you won't have any)

 

 

 

For range arrows, there is really only 1. Nobody trains with steel, and iron is uncommon.

 

 

 

10-18 for randoms is also unreasonable. I have never met anyone with EVERY single thing from randoms.

 

 

 

For the GoP, I don't think theres 5. The robes is pointless, and tabs useless. 1 for the tokens. Maybe 1 more space max.

I don't think so.

 

 

 

Having 10 FOG items is ridiculous. Nobody collects all the gaunts/armour.

 

 

 

Armour, you must subtract one section since you are waring one of the three or mixed. Its unlikely you run around naked unless you are a skiller(in which case you won't have any)

 

 

 

For range arrows, there is really only 1. Nobody trains with steel, and iron is uncommon.

 

 

 

10-18 for randoms is also unreasonable. I have never met anyone with EVERY single thing from randoms.

 

 

 

For the GoP, I don't think theres 5. The robes is pointless, and tabs useless. 1 for the tokens. Maybe 1 more space max.

 

 

 

um yea in fog u can have the rune guatlets, rune berserker, cobat robes full, drudric robes full, tokens, green d hide coif. those are all the max items like i said i was counting.

 

 

 

then with the armor personaly when i work on a skill i dont wear armor because it hinders my running ablity.

 

 

 

also lots of ppl use iron, steel, and even bronze when they are ranging monsters in places where they lose the arrows or when they get them as drops.

 

 

 

as for randoms i personaly had 13 of the 18 because i just ran out of room and i thought the frog stuff was stupid. why because those are the only fun close avaiable in f2p that u can wear when ur just messing around with friends.

 

 

 

also i dont see what world u live in saying the gop robes are usless. i mean of corse they are in mems but this is f2p where they actualy have the best defence for robes, even protect from range, and are almost as good as fog robes.

 

 

 

so have anything else u want to throw at me?

I had all random clothing in my bank for a looong time, but I never really wore it. I dropped all my random clothing, and drop any new clothing I get. It's not worth the bank space, and I love not having to worry whether or not my bank is full. :thumbsup:

I do think that f2p should get more bank space. Although I am p2p and am COMPLETELY against f2p begging for updates, It seems reasonable enough that f2p should still be a little more comfortable space wise. I think maybe 10 more spaces should be added.

 

 

 

I agree, but i think the space should be requirement based, like for every skill 80+, you get a bank space or 2, and two more at 99.

I just reached the bank limit when I turned P2P again. It was a major part of my decision because I didn't have enough space to place things I needed for skills. I could manage with what I had, but it would have meant not training a lot of skills because I wouldn't have the space for equipment and ect. I rarely kept things from random events but still squezed up to the limit. I think maybe it should be increased on the number of quest points as mentioned before. Either that or skill based.

i think f2p should get more bank space if there is an update which comes along with a new sets of items. u forgot to add in raw materials and things such as gems.

i think f2p should get more bank space if there is an update which comes along with a new sets of items. u forgot to add in raw materials and things such as gems.

 

 

 

yes i know and i mentioned that.

 

I didnt add raw materials in because they can varry exponentialy from player to player. some people keep it all and sell when they have alot others drop them or sell on the spot.

I don't think so.

 

 

 

Having 10 FOG items is ridiculous. Nobody collects all the gaunts/armour.

 

 

 

Armour, you must subtract one section since you are waring one of the three or mixed. Its unlikely you run around naked unless you are a skiller(in which case you won't have any)

 

 

 

For range arrows, there is really only 1. Nobody trains with steel, and iron is uncommon.

 

 

 

10-18 for randoms is also unreasonable. I have never met anyone with EVERY single thing from randoms.

 

 

 

For the GoP, I don't think theres 5. The robes is pointless, and tabs useless. 1 for the tokens. Maybe 1 more space max.

 

 

 

um yea in fog u can have the rune guatlets, rune berserker, cobat robes full, drudric robes full, tokens, green d hide coif. those are all the max items like i said i was counting.

 

 

 

then with the armor personaly when i work on a skill i dont wear armor because it hinders my running ablity.

 

 

 

also lots of ppl use iron, steel, and even bronze when they are ranging monsters in places where they lose the arrows or when they get them as drops.

 

 

 

as for randoms i personaly had 13 of the 18 because i just ran out of room and i thought the frog stuff was stupid. why because those are the only fun close avaiable in f2p that u can wear when ur just messing around with friends.

 

 

 

also i dont see what world u live in saying the gop robes are usless. i mean of corse they are in mems but this is f2p where they actualy have the best defence for robes, even protect from range, and are almost as good as fog robes.

 

 

 

so have anything else u want to throw at me?

 

 

 

Calm down...

 

 

 

For FOG, Rune Gaunts, Zerker, and coif is needed. You don't necessarily combat, but we will count that aswell. Thats what? 6? Druid is useless. Unless you are a hardcore Clan Warrer from a active PvP clan, you don't have it.

 

 

 

About the armor, sure you can take it off, but most people have it on most of the time. Expecially robes, which are weightless.

 

 

 

About arrows, people only train with iron and bronze Steel is not used.

 

 

 

As for the randoms clothing, you can either ware them while skilling, or others.

 

 

 

Sure the GoP robes are good for defense, but if you are fighting, you won't actually be using it for defense. Sure, it is the best ROBE defense, but why are you using it for defense?

trust me im being calm im just very passionate about this issue.

 

 

 

as u stated pvp clan members use druid because it helps with binding and the combat is used alot by pker mages in f2p because it has def bonus and has the best mage stats in f2p overall, it is tied with druid. so if your a mage you might use these seeing as when you die they have a price value so you can keep 3-1 peices of it when you die.

 

 

 

as for the arrows i have met lots of f2p rangers who used steel arrows when they chould retrive their arrows and then iron/bronze when they were using them. then they whould also keep addy in their banks for pking purpouses.

 

 

 

as for armor and randoms yes you can wear them but you can only wear one at a time so just subtract 5 or 4 from my totals then if that whould pleaze you.

 

 

 

as for the gop robes i have used them while pking because of their defence and also because the intelegent people out there dont attack me often because they dont want to fight a mage when they know the drop might not be worth the risk when they know they wont get any armor from it.

 

 

 

also it seems that your are approaching this as if im saying that f2p banking is imposible to deal with and im not trying to say that what my main point is that it can be a hassle and frustruating at times like for me when i was in f2p and i just got back from a roach trip and had to walk all the way to the ge and back because i didnt have room for all my drops.

 

 

 

finaly befor anyone decides to try to jump me on the issue of too many mage robes. there are people, again usually those in warring clans, who keep gop robes, drudric robes, and the origional mage robes in their banks because they may need them for different purpouses. gop for training so they dont have to play fog all the time, drudric for safe clan wars or clan wars that you want to risk it in, and regular for clan wars you cant afford to or do not wish to risk your other robes in.

 

 

 

ps: sorry about my horrible spelling and grammer.

I do disagree somewhat. However, 68 slots (?) isn't many.

 

 

 

The f2p/p2p system is in place to give f2p players an incentive to join members. There's your incentive to pay $5 a month, bank space.

 

 

 

Surely you don't need all that armor etc. ALL the time?

 

 

 

You could buy as and when you need it.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I think there is enough bank space for now. And if you don't agree, get membership. After all, you are playing Runescape FOR FREE. It seems kind of ungrateful to be moaning about a free service :roll:

as a previous p2p er i went back to f2p due to issues with time. i dont play enough or have the time to warrant paying for it. so i see it as a fun game, not an incentive to join, i had been a member for a long while previously.

 

 

 

ive got my bank space to 80 ish i think and im struggling now. i have clothing from random events/holidays weps/armour/runes/ores andbars spare....you can realy only keep the bare minimum in there.

well, according to your calculations, who would keep the max amount for every single category. For example, not every f2p has done every random and have the fog items. And if they dont have enough to do the great orb project. So if everything else you said such as the melee armor, mage armor etc. there should be enough room to keep all of their f2p junk.

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trust me im being calm im just very passionate about this issue.

 

 

 

as u stated pvp clan members use druid because it helps with binding and the combat is used alot by pker mages in f2p because it has def bonus and has the best mage stats in f2p overall, it is tied with druid. so if your a mage you might use these seeing as when you die they have a price value so you can keep 3-1 peices of it when you die.

 

 

However, bind is all but useless when pking using mage. Sure it has defense stats, but you really can't rely on that tiny bit to defend against rangers or meleers. Sure they have value, but if you are scared of loosing maybe 10k, you should not be PKing in the first place.

 

 

 

as for the arrows i have met lots of f2p rangers who used steel arrows when they chould retrive their arrows and then iron/bronze when they were using them. then they whould also keep addy in their banks for pking purpouses.

 

 

 

On f2p, even at the highest levels steel increases by 1 damage.

 

 

 

as for armor and randoms yes you can wear them but you can only wear one at a time so just subtract 5 or 4 from my totals then if that whould pleaze you.

 

 

 

Yup.

 

 

 

as for the gop robes i have used them while pking because of their defence and also because the intelegent people out there dont attack me often because they dont want to fight a mage when they know the drop might not be worth the risk when they know they wont get any armor from it.

 

 

 

Using robes for defense is trying to block arrows with bronze. Sorry, not going to happen. Also, if they don't skull, thats a bad thing towards you...

 

 

 

also it seems that your are approaching this as if im saying that f2p banking is imposible to deal with and im not trying to say that what my main point is that it can be a hassle and frustruating at times like for me when i was in f2p and i just got back from a roach trip and had to walk all the way to the ge and back because i didnt have room for all my drops.

 

 

 

Thats a 1 min wa;l.

 

 

 

finaly befor anyone decides to try to jump me on the issue of too many mage robes. there are people, again usually those in warring clans, who keep gop robes, drudric robes, and the origional mage robes in their banks because they may need them for different purpouses. gop for training so they dont have to play fog all the time, drudric for safe clan wars or clan wars that you want to risk it in, and regular for clan wars you cant afford to or do not wish to risk your other robes in.

 

 

But those are all members, and thus have the room.

 

 

 

ps: sorry about my horrible spelling and grammer.

 

 

 

Excused :P