RuneScape - Smithing = ???

[DAE2008]

Smithing is useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That seems to be most people's views. No money, no point, etc, etc. However, what would happen to runescape's economy IF you removed it altogeter. There would be less armour and weapons. The entire econemy would most likely slump - apart from dragon stuff, which might protect itself slightly. It may not be immediate, but slowly and surely, as the PvP goes on, everything will hit rock bottom. So, maybe it's not SO bad, when you look at it that way. If it wasn't for the people that genuinely want to train it, the entire econemy is dead. So don't say it's useless. Cause when it's gone - you'll regret it.

[Ned]

You're right, it is important for the economy but at the same time a very big money drainer.

 

 

 

Why? Cash Value of Bars > Cash Value of Product

 

 

 

Another reason? People want the skillcape more than the skill itself --> Buy off the 99 in gold rather than train it by older methods

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore everyone loses money when they train smithing, unless of course they collected all the raw materials from scratch. However, since the materials cost more than the products, many miners sell their ore rather than use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another problem is that many monsters drop Rune items that are in big demand. Therefore, the value of these items go down due to increased supply, and therefore the original way of making them becomes more and more obsolete.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If smithing was removed, the only way to get such items would be monster drops. It is very obvious and not really debatable that the PvP economy would be severely affected.

 

 

 

But it's not going anywhere.

 

 

 

If suddenly a demand for rune items rapidly increases, smithing will come to the rescue, but it probably will remain as a net loss skill.

[Inuashakent]

No, nothing would happen. Answer this; what is the point in skilling at all? Tell me the point in any stat that's not combat, agility, or farming? I can make extremely fast money with GWD, screw the rest of the money makers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rune fulls come almost exclusively from Slayer. In fact, they dropped so low they are alched.

 

 

 

Rune plates come from Bandos.

 

 

 

Rune kites and legs could... possibly rise. But then again, not really.

 

 

 

Scims come from Cockroaches.

[Louiss]

It wouldn't make that big of an impact, apart from rune items that aren't dropped from monsters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as was said before me, why should i spend hours & hours to cut, let's say 1k yew longs, when I could make so much more within a few minutes at gwd.

[Baconxl]

Answer this; what is the point in skilling at all? Tell me the point in any stat that's not combat, agility, or farming?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fun? This game is meant to be FUN, some people forget that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OT: I think it would change a good bit. Some people do like to train smithing and still want it at 99 or other high levels which does provide a good bit of items.

[highlanders]

You have to realize something. Skills have a technical use. Smithing is needed for usables, like bolts. But monetary-wise, most skills lose money, and are therefore useless, monetarily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smithing is useless apart from usables. People use barrows, and dragon. People don't need rune armour anymore, it doesn't make any profit, nor does any other armour. P2P monsters drop plenty of rune items and people just need 1 set of armour to train, so the price of armour is low, and the demand is rather low too. Smithing is outdated for the most part, people have no incensitive to train it.

[greene8535]

No, nothing would happen. Answer this; what is the point in skilling at all? Tell me the point in any stat that's not combat, agility, or farming? I can make extremely fast money with GWD, screw the rest of the money makers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rune fulls come almost exclusively from Slayer. In fact, they dropped so low they are alched.

 

 

 

Rune plates come from Bandos.

 

 

 

Rune kites and legs could... possibly rise. But then again, not really.

 

 

 

Scims come from Cockroaches.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You forget fire giants!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forget which rune item they drop besides the scim, but it's often!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smithing is one of those skills where you get respect for having a decient level...

 

 

 

ALSO! What about barrows? Remember how much smithing lowers the cost of repairing that handy DH?

[basiliko]

who supplies armors and weapons lower than store prices and keep them low for pures? Smithers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that some people tends to forget that skills are meant for fun, not something to grind billions of gp and hundreds of dollars into

[Inuashakent]

 

Answer this; what is the point in skilling at all? Tell me the point in any stat that's not combat, agility, or farming?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fun? This game is meant to be FUN, some people forget that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OT: I think it would change a good bit. Some people do like to train smithing and still want it at 99 or other high levels which does provide a good bit of items.

 

 

 

Bacon, you were proving my point exactly. People do skills for fun. That's the whole point of Runescape - only a few skills are trained without the purpose of "fun." So what makes Smithing so different? ALL skills are useless, except the above mentioned. So stop whining.

[highlanders]

Yeah, skills are for fun. Like, all of Runescape is useless and is just for fun too. You could pop in all the threads about skills, and efficiency on this forum, and deem everything that people say to be invalid because RS is for "fun".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the thing; you don't bring up "fun" as an argument in a logical conversation. Even if the game is useless and just for fun, we can still discuss the efficiency and usefulness of skills. A lot of people play Runescape to achieve goals, so they look for the most efficient way to go about it, hence why like haft of the Runesape threads on this forum are about efficiency, training methods, what's useless and what's not. Everyone knows the game is just for fun, still people want to achieve the most as possible. So in short, bringing up "fun" in a logical argument is extremely off-topic. Firemaking is useless, for instance. Sure maybe it's "fun" to some, it's still useless in a gaming optic. "Fun" being something incalculable, and unique to each individual, it has no place in a logical conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every once in a while, one of those melodramatic topics about how players only care about levels anymore pops up. "But what about the FUN??!! This game is supposed to be about the fun! Why all the hate?! :cry: ". Now that's the time to talk about fun.

[vivimancer]

highlanders +1 I think that's the most cogent way of forming that thought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smithing its self was the oldest skill, yes new and flasher skills have taken its place but back in the 'old skool days' smithing was a mark of a player above the usual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a f2p'er and the only way i can make good money is by smithing steel bars that I buy as ores and then sell to the G.E, (that's why I've been able to afford my Saradomin (T) before it x4 in value =)

 

 

 

I've noticed a whole sub-section of experienced f2p'ers leave because of the killing of player to player trades, but if this the only way to get rid of RWT's then that's the trade off, unfortunately mining is a 'grind' skill, but high value, ores and gems have always held their value, coal and iron ore are the few things that haven't drastically changed in price since (to the best of my reckoning) 2004 .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In conclusion, smithing isn't usueless, as an idea the ablility to make your own rune armour and fight peeps in f2p is quite powerfull, its the totally self-sufficient warrior archetype, being able to rely totally on ones own talents.

 

 

 

I'm only able to afford sporadic membership to Runescape so I try to transfer as much wealth as possible back to f2p when im forced to "slum it."

[duncanyo90]

ehhhhh... i would keep it

[DAE2008]

I'd just like to drop smithing out for a week, and see what happens.

 

 

 

I understand what you say about it being a net loss, and drops ETC. However, people DO make money out of selling bars to the people who want to buy their smithing. It would affect them, affect what they buy, and like dominoes, some other bits would fall down too.

[I_am_Geed]

it could go either way if smithing was removed

 

 

 

a lot of low level armour comes from smithers, but the important high lv ones come from drops/ clues/ etc.

[Eddo89]

Smithing is profitable. Unfortunately it is less so ever since that new quest that required 69 smithing, which attracted the type of skillers that totally ruined the profitablility of fletching, selling everything at min, while buying raw materials at max.

 

 

 

It depends on what you make. I got 96 smithing, soon 97, without dishing out a single unnecessary gp and has help me gain enough money to own a BGS and soon to be 40m + numerous items and weapons.

 

 

 

So don't tell me smithing is completely unprofitable. True, traditional methods are not, but saying is useless is far from the truth. Who is going to supply ranger's cannonballs for instance? If smithing is useless, then fletching isn't too far behind and firemaking is definitely worse. Or even slayer, if you remove the existence of slayer, nothing major is going to be affected.

[Racheya]

I support smithing. I used to do it when I first started and I still do. I'll mine my own ores, smelt and smith them myself and make my own armour because I prefer to be a self-sufficient Runescaper. I don't level up things because of a quest that needs it or because I want a 99 or because I want to make a profit. Quite a lot of things I do leave me profitless but somebody's gotta do it and I enjoy not relying on the Grand Exchange for every little thing. \ I might not make as much profit by making armour out of the bars I just smelted but I'm enjoying myself and training a skill I want to train. To me, money is of little priority.

 

 

 

If they took Smithing out, even for a week, I think the economy would definately be effected. People, especially F2P PvPers need armour and they're not all going to be able to get it from monster drops. So who they gonna call? Ghost bus--- I mean, smithers. Sure, very high level armour and weapons come from drops ect, but for the less 'elite' player, smithing is an important skill to supply weapons and armour.

 

 

 

(I'm not sure if this makes much coherent sense, it doesn't to me :wall: )

[Lord_Shalaj]

Armour can be gotten from clue scrolls, drops and pking. The biggest impact of Smithing would be on Fletching as there will be no more knives, darts and arrows.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Zierro]

Pretty much every skill can be considered useless. The reason people say Smithing is useless is because it used to be a good moneymaker which raises everyone's expectations for this skill. Remember when Zombie Monkeys were nerfed and everyone complained that there was no "use" for Hunter?

[obfuscator]

Smithing is not useless, just unprofiteable, like many other skills.

[CampbellMC]

I think everyone is completely forgetting Cannonballs, Adamant Bolts and Gold Bars. These three things are used the most for training smithing, Cannonballs are in a huge demand for slayer (and you make money off them), Gold bars are needed for crafters who wish to train with bracelets which many do, and Adamant Bolts are the prodominate weapon needed for doing things such as Armadyl and Saradomin boss'.

[i_love_burritos]

Unfortunately it is less so ever since that new quest that required 69 smithing, which attracted the type of skillers that totally ruined the profitablility of fletching, selling everything at min, while buying raw materials at max.

 

 

 

What quest was this and why was it bad ?

[pureprayer]

Simple Equation

 

 

 

Runescape - Smithing = Runescape

 

 

 

Runescape = 10 Smithing = 0

 

 

 

10 - 0 = 10

 

Sure Cannons would be gone but no one uses them much anymore, other ranged ammo like darts, knives, bolts, and maybe even cannonballs would be purchable from a shop.

 

 

 

Lastly gold bars would HAVE NO USE if it weren't for smithing crafting might have a way around that if you can pay NPC's to make your necklace for you.