The shadows from the lander, the astronauts and the flag do not move at all throughout the whole 40 minute footage NASA provided of the flag being placed into the ground. That's not evidence, and I don't necessarily believe it was faked, but there are grounds for suspicion there.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(season_7)#Episode_104_-_NASA_Moon_Landing

 

 

 

Copy and paste the whole thing into URL bar.

The shadows from the lander, the astronauts and the flag do not move at all throughout the whole 40 minute footage NASA provided of the flag being placed into the ground. That's not evidence, and I don't necessarily believe it was faked, but there are grounds for suspicion there.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(season_7)#Episode_104_-_NASA_Moon_Landing

 

 

 

Copy and paste the whole thing into URL bar.

 

link doesn't work. CONSPIRACY!

The link works if you copy+paste it.. And Mythbusters are as thorough with research as is possible. Think I saw that episode.

 

 

 

Some people (hint: my father) are firmly convinced, just as they are about the government wire tapping you every second of your life, that the moon landing was fake.

 

 

 

As they say: Feel free to believe anything :lol: There is too much fact and physical evidence to confirm it wasn't fake..

personally i think that while conspiracy theorists often make weak links and often their interpretation of facts contain holes big enough to drive a truck through, the moon landing for instance

 

 

 

i also think that some personal liberties are being taken away from us in an almost systematic manner by the government. things that we justify and support the government for, but seem ridiculous for older people who enjoyed more freedom when they were young

 

 

 

i dont want to think about what 'freedom' will be like when we are 50 years older, but i hope i whine about it to kids

 

 

 

im not suggesting some kind of pseudo-1940's science fiction-mind control, just little things that add up and are ok when you grow up with it but comparatively quite restricting

Here's some of that mythbusters material:

 

 

 

Flag in a vaccuum

 

 

 

You can check out some other videos in the related video section, including those to do with the photos taken and footprints on the moon. Interesting stuff.

The shadows from the lander, the astronauts and the flag do not move at all throughout the whole 40 minute footage NASA provided of the flag being placed into the ground. That's not evidence, and I don't necessarily believe it was faked, but there are grounds for suspicion there.

 

 

 

There's also quite a clear motive.

 

 

 

There's talk of them taking pictures of the landing site but that won't stop the theorists. Anything can be edited these days. I swear it's not possible for anyone's eyes to be as radiantly blue as Zac Effron's.

 

 

 

Come to think of it, there's a simple answer to that criticism. The moon makes one full orbit of the earth every ~30 days or so. Also, the moon is involved in a "tidal lock" with the earth where it always shows the same face to us (hence the whole "dark side of the moon" thing).

 

 

 

So if there was sunlight bathing the Apollo missions on the moon, the angle at which it hit wouldn't have changed appreciably in 40 mins (remember, we're talking 40 mins out of ~30 days here, not the earth's 24 hours), hence the shadows probably won't have moved to any obvious degree.

 

 

 

I might not have explained that perfectly, but hopefully I made it understandable enough.

 

 

 

Edit: Just out of curiosity, I had a play around with the scenario on stellarium (where I was looking to the sun from the point of view of the moon) and by my estimation the amount of time exposed to sunlight for one period on the moon (analogous to dawn-to-dusk on earth) was ~16 days or 384 hours. More than enough time for 40 minutes to seem like nothing in terms of moving shadows.

it is true that all our internet stuff gets saved

Very nice research warrior, if only everyone just managed to put the extra bit of effort to find the truth..

 

 

 

it is true that all our internet stuff gets saved

 

 

 

That's the only thing that does apply both in the States and as of recent, due to anti-terrorism laws, also in the EU. Your internet logs and call info are being saved already thanks to new legislation.

 

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/jan/12/newmedia.terrorism

 

 

 

The directive covers what is known as "traffic data". For telephone companies, that means details of numbers dialled, call duration and location (for mobile phones). For ISPs, it includes websites visited, the header information attached to every email detailing sender, recipient, date, time, and the internet address you were assigned at the time. However, it does not include the content of calls or messages.

 

 

 

However, privacy advocates say that traffic data can be far more revealing. What tells you more about a relationship? An email message saying, "Dinner at seven?" or records showing that the two correspondents have exchanged email 12 times a day for four years?

 

 

 

For once I agree with those experts. Even though the actual content of the calls and emails aren't being saved (would be a giant bandwidth destroyer anyways), even the header info and location of calls is very useful.

 

 

 

Yes, if you live in the States or EU, your ISP knows all the websites you visited, all the emails you sent, all your calls... But nobody will dig up that data & hand it over to the government unless you get drawn into a criminal investigation.

exactly bluelancer, what sense would it be for them to randomly check everyone's internet history anyway

Read 1984 by George Orwell. Aside from being a great book, it's about how the govenment could control us, and turn us into robots :anxious:

 

 

 

The British govenment already record the private data (such as Phone Calls, Text Messages and Websites visited by each and every citizen). They don't employ millions of people to search through everyone's mail though, it's only used as evidence in court.

 

 

 

I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. I've always agreed with the ol' "If you don't have anything to hide, don't hide it." But I do think everyone should have privacy to a certain degree...

Regarding the man on the moon situation, the reason we beat Russia there eve though Russia got to space first as because Russia started going broke and pretty much stopped their space program really early on. There was no "space race", they just said that to make Americans feel better. Analogy: A Russian runs one mile down a beach(sputnik), then two miles(man in space)! Suddenly an American runner see's this and says "Crap, that Russian is going to beat me to the five mile mark!" The Russian really didn't have any intent to seriously even run five miles, and pretty much just sat down after his two miles and watched the American runner sprint past him. The American got to the five mile mark and claimed he won the race. -.-

 

 

 

Oh, and can't you see the lunar lander with a scientific telescope?

 

 

 

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As for the saving of email headers of text messages, meh. If the government really wants to waste terabytes of data on me go ahead, I'm not planning and bank robberies or assassinations. And if I ever need to, I'll just use a public computer to do all the dirty work.

Hehe, Ron Paul is funnee. He has a blimp. And he turns into Tron Paul.

 

 

 

I think all the beliefs of our governments being all-powerful and connected mysteriously is [cabbage], maybe even made up by them so they look more powerful.

It's not called corruption, it's just plain inadequacy.

 

 

 

Well, she fires people for personal reasons, and hires her best friends...I'd call that corruption.

 

 

 

 

 

And we all know about the 150k coat that came out of taxpayers pockets. It wasn't even her money at any point.

 

 

 

Thats rather misleading isn't it? It was a whole wardrobe for her (and the family) and it only came from taxpayers pockets inasmuch as those people who donated to the republican party funds probably pay taxes. It isn't as if they're robbing the treasury. The banks already beat them.

It's not called corruption, it's just plain inadequacy.

 

 

 

Well, she fires people for personal reasons, and hires her best friends...I'd call that corruption.

 

 

 

 

 

The report cleared her of that so I wouldn't call it corruption.

 

 

 

The shadows from the lander, the astronauts and the flag do not move at all throughout the whole 40 minute footage NASA provided of the flag being placed into the ground. That's not evidence, and I don't necessarily believe it was faked, but there are grounds for suspicion there.

 

 

 

There's also quite a clear motive.

 

 

 

There's talk of them taking pictures of the landing site but that won't stop the theorists. Anything can be edited these days. I swear it's not possible for anyone's eyes to be as radiantly blue as Zac Effron's.

 

 

 

Come to think of it, there's a simple answer to that criticism. The moon makes one full orbit of the earth every ~30 days or so. Also, the moon is involved in a "tidal lock" with the earth where it always shows the same face to us (hence the whole "dark side of the moon" thing).

 

 

 

So if there was sunlight bathing the Apollo missions on the moon, the angle at which it hit wouldn't have changed appreciably in 40 mins (remember, we're talking 40 mins out of ~30 days here, not the earth's 24 hours), hence the shadows probably won't have moved to any obvious degree.

 

 

 

I might not have explained that perfectly, but hopefully I made it understandable enough.

 

 

 

Edit: Just out of curiosity, I had a play around with the scenario on stellarium (where I was looking to the sun from the point of view of the moon) and by my estimation the amount of time exposed to sunlight for one period on the moon (analogous to dawn-to-dusk on earth) was ~16 days or 384 hours. More than enough time for 40 minutes to seem like nothing in terms of moving shadows.

 

 

 

I've met Buzz Aldrin and seen him speak. Trust me, he's been to the moon.

Man never landed on the moon! [random [cabbage]] The earth is flat!

 

We never landed on the moon. It was filmed on Mars, obviously! Also, anyone who says the Earth is flat is an idiot. But so are those who say it's a sphere. It's a dodecahedron, [wagon]es.

Everyone saying the government.

 

Can ANYONE say WHO exactly the government is?

 

Like, is there a higher power then President? is that the 'government' ?

The government is a higher power than the president. The president is not a king, whatever he says is not automatically law.

The President is part of the government, so naturally, the government as a whole, is more powerful than the President alone. The same can be said about Congress, the House, and the Senate.

 

 

 

The government of the United States is not a single person. There is a specific reason for this. Simply look at the terrible monarchy of King John.

Everyone saying the government.

 

Can ANYONE say WHO exactly the government is?

 

Like, is there a higher power then President? is that the 'government' ?

 

 

 

"Government" isn't an angry guy who wants to control you. Government means all the legitimate authorities that have control over the population that elected them in the first place (on the exception of police organisations, which have unelected leadership, but the president still appoints high-level staff to intelligence/police agencies).

 

 

 

The political hierarchy of power (not including courts of law) in a western country is usually:

 

 

 

3. The cabinet and elected or unelected head of state (Prime Minister/President, King (usually only a figurehead)

 

2. An elected congress of representatives, chosen by the people

 

1. The people, from whom all legitimate authority is derived from.

 

 

 

Of course, the "people" only have the highest power in theory. Once they elect politicians to represent them, the politicians don't have any actual obligation to hold their word (other than being morally compelled) once they are at the heart of the government. If they betray the population that put them in office bad enough, unexpected events like violent coups or overthrows can happen.

 

 

 

Coups against corrupt high level politicians aren't just a phenomena of poor countries in Africa or banana republics, read on Orange Revolution of Ukraine which happened 2004-2005 in direct response to electoral fraud at the highest level (presidential), voter intimidation, etc.

A lot of these wild conspiracy theories stem from at least some grain of truth. Bush's association with the Bin Laden family (which is a well documented fact) is a little bit coincidental you have to admit. I'm not sure if I believe the upper echelons of Bush's government staged (or at least did nothing to stop) the 9/11 attacks, but neither did the German's believe that it was Hitler who set fire to the Reichstag. Perhaps my brain will fall out at some point, but until then I won't close off any possibilities.

I've met Buzz Aldrin and seen him speak. Trust me, he's been to the moon.

 

:shock: Awesome.

 

 

 

I think everyone participating in this thread should watch Apollo 13 and read 1984.

My only worry of corruption is this scenario:

 

 

 

Mccaine becomes president. He will likely die in office. Then Sarah Palin, who we know is corrupt, gets to become president :ohnoes:

 

Who then gets assassinated within 24 hours of taking over in a joint operation of CIA, FBI, and the Mafia.

The Government to stop spending money is like a shopoholic going into the Mall of America and not buy anything. :lol:

Oh yea, I forgot something in my last post. :oops::

 

 

 

The Government spends too much money. That's why we're $458B in debt not even counting the Bailout.:ohnoes: Good luck to the next President.

Oh yea, I forgot something in my last post. :oops::

 

 

 

The Government spends too much money. That's why we're $458B in debt not even counting the Bailout.:ohnoes: Good luck to the next President.

 

I think you'll find the US national debt is much more than $458 billion - I think it's around 20 times that?