As many of you who have recently watched the news you will have noticed the debates going on throughout the country about the current government.

 

 

 

heres a quick run down. the conservatives are a minority government with only 46% of the public vote. three other parties have now joined together to try and topple the conservatives. they are the liberals, new democratic party, and the Bloc Quebecois.

 

 

 

this means that the coalition will be the majority government . the problem with this is that they want to pass this new government without a vote! this means that voters who voted for the views of their party will not get a chance to change there mind after their party has completely changed their goals for the country. basically voteing that wine is better then brandy only to have the judge add another liquid to the wine and not give the people a chance to see if this liquid is better.

 

 

 

normally i wouldn't complain because this means that several canadian parties are working together. the problem with this is that the Bloc Quebecois are a major player in this coalition. the Bloc Quebecois have the needs of their province, quebec, first and not the country. and one of there goals is to get rid of the imbalance of wealth from the west and east of the country. in fact their budget statement calls for taking 400million dollars from the wester provinces and giving it to the eastern provinces, more specifically quebec.

 

 

 

so basically people who have voted for one particular goal have had that goal switched and do not have a chance to change their mind.

 

 

 

what are your opinions. is this right? should the people get a revote between the coaliton and conservatives? any other opinions?

no, even though i would have voted NDP if i could vote, i think that the coalition is undermining the publics views on how our government should be, and it's not a democracy if they go and change stuff up like that.

 

i hate harper. but i hate dion more.

no, i voted for the conservatives for a reason. liberals are worthless and the quebecois aren't even worth commenting on.

Quebecois can fo the french [bleep]s.

no, i voted for the conservatives for a reason. liberals are worthless and the quebecois aren't even worth commenting on.

 

Without us the Conservatives would be have majority. Phew

no, i voted for the conservatives for a reason. liberals are worthless and the quebecois aren't even worth commenting on.

 

Without us the Conservatives would be have majority. Phew

 

it's good there isn't a majority right now, because i don't think that would benefit our country right now.

 

nobody for any party would be a good leader.

I wanna know more about this, but unfortunately, the BBC's North America editor Justin Webb seems to be too obsessed with watching the coronation of His Majesty Obama and whining about petrol pumps at Tesco than actually covering the 100m+ people he's paid to report on who aren't in the US.

 

 

 

EDIT: I'm reading over some very limited information on Wikipedia, and it appears to methat politically, the Conservatives are a lame duck. The coalition government looks set to take over, it seems a done deal. That makes a request for another election unreasonable, and in a time of economic crisis, prorogation seems like a stupid idea, especially on the time scale they're considering.

 

 

 

As far as democracy is concerned, if the majority of the House does not have confidence in its leader, the leader cannot remain there. The same was true for Chamberlain here during the War. Surely, in these times of hardship, it is better to have a coalition with a majority of seats, able to take decisive action, than have one party in a minority constantly having to watch out for flanking by the other three parties.

 

 

 

I guess I'll have to read up on tonight's speech tomorrow morning, or if I'm incredibly lucky, BBC News will have it on at midnight.

It defeast the purpose of a democracy. If the coalition happens it is a waste of 300 million for the election. >_>

The Bloc Quebecois is just a useless party who cares solely about Quebec and not Canada as a whole. #-o Personally, I am not of legal age to vote, but the Conservatives were voted in for a reason. If this happens, it might as well be a dictatorship or communist government. If it has to go to vote again, then so be it.

 

 

 

We let them in to join our government, but now they are there to destroy that very same government.

 

 

 

I for one am not looking forward to a carbon tax and the Quebec separation. Probably 50% of them will leave. It's elitism happening in the real world here.

It defeast the purpose of a democracy. If the coalition happens it is a waste of 300 million for the election. >_>

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that is actually the reason that they are forming the coalition instead of passing a vote of non-confidence. Instead of wasting another $300 million, it'd be easier, and arguably better, to just form the coalition and take over in one swift move.

 

 

 

Or it could be them trying to take a shortcut and not have to risk losing an election to the Tories.

 

 

 

I do think that a coalition between the NDP and Liberals would be a good thing. Liberals bring their policy of a balanced budget, NDP introduces a more socialist perspective.

 

 

 

And quite frankly, I don't see why Quebec shouldn't become a separate nation. Emphasis on separate. Separate economies, no help from Canada.

Calling this undemocratic is idiotic.

 

 

 

It's a key function of a representative democracy that the leader of the party has to contend with the Parliament, especially in the case where more than half of Canada did not vote for Harper; he has a minority government. If the coalition is not formed as the government, then there are two possible consequences:

 

 

 

1)Every bill the Conservatives attempt to pass is voted down and the Coalition does whatever it wants.

 

2)Vote of No confidence, go back to the elections

 

3)Coalition falls apart.

 

 

 

If you don't want the majority of the elected representatives to work together and pass bills, you want the minority to do what it wants and claim that when the majority rules is undemocratic, it doesn't make sense as well as being illogical.

 

 

 

 

 

Having a minority party, where more than half of Canada did not vote for them, do whatever they want as if they were the majority elect, is much more undemocratic than a completely legal coalition.

 

 

 

It's no difference than two parties both voting the same on a bill, simply better organized.

 

And quite frankly, I don't see why Quebec shouldn't become a separate nation. Emphasis on separate. Separate economies, no help from Canada.

 

 

 

If we keep the 25% tax from our salary that's fine with me.

Calling this undemocratic is idiotic.

 

 

 

It's a key function of a representative democracy that the leader of the party has to contend with the Parliament, especially in the case where more than half of Canada did not vote for Harper; he has a minority government. If the coalition is not formed as the government, then there are two possible consequences:

 

 

 

1)Every bill the Conservatives attempt to pass is voted down and the Coalition does whatever it wants.

 

2)Vote of No confidence, go back to the elections

 

3)Coalition falls apart.

 

 

 

If you don't want the majority of the elected representatives to work together and pass bills, you want the minority to do what it wants and claim that when the majority rules is undemocratic, it doesn't make sense as well as being illogical.

 

 

 

 

 

Having a minority party, where more than half of Canada did not vote for them, do whatever they want as if they were the majority elect, is much more undemocratic than a completely legal coalition.

 

 

 

It's no difference than two parties both voting the same on a bill, simply better organized.

 

 

 

the problem with this is that the qubecios are a cornerstone of the coalition. meaning that they will have leverage when determining policies and the majority of canada(everyon besides quebec) disagree with their pollicies. this means that people who voted for NDP get stuck with seperatist views. If this were to be democratic then there should be a revote if the canadian populace would rather have conservatives or a coalition in which the seperatists play a major role. i guarentee that the conservatives will have a majority this time.

How about this. Right now the Liberals and NDP(the left coalition) needs the bloc (the god[cabbage] separatists) to overthrow harper, so they unite with them, force an election. If people dont tun against the coalition, and the election turns out the same as the last one, the coalition will have enough sets for a majority without the god[cabbage] separatists (seats won last election + ridings where liberal + NDP votes was higher than the conservative/bloc winner) plus i think public opinion will go against a party which cant hold togeather a goverment for more than 2 months

 

 

 

Edit-- what people dont get is that they dont need the bloc to join the coalition, they just need them to force the election

How about this. Right now the Liberals and NDP(the left coalition) needs the bloc (the god[cabbage] separatists) to overthrow harper, so they unite with them, force an election. If people dont tun against the coalition, and the election turns out the same as the last one, the coalition will have enough sets for a majority without the god[cabbage] separatists (seats won last election + ridings where liberal + NDP votes was higher than the conservative/bloc winner) plus i think public opinion will go against a party which cant hold togeather a goverment for more than 2 months

 

 

 

Edit-- what people dont get is that they dont need the bloc to join the coalition, they just need them to force the election

 

You know, if it wasn't for those "god[cabbage] separatists", Harper would have had majority and do whatever the [bleep] he wants.

First I am a Canadian, and I did vote in the last Federal Election.

 

 

 

Right now, I think Harper is acting like an [wagon]. Because the Liberal Party has ousted their leader, he is treating his position like majority.

 

 

 

The Coalition would be led by the Leader of the Liberal Party, a man who his party has said (by having him resign as party leader effective sometime next year) is not fit to be prime minister.

 

Deputy Primeminister would be Layton, of the NDP (socalist party). With them comes Bob Ray, and Ontario is still recovering from when the NDP got in provincialy with Ray as finance minister. Layton is a person you couldn't trust to manage a lemonade stand.

 

Then the Block, the Quebec sepratist party. Lets have a coalition with a party that was created to break Canada into pieces. Also, the bloc has no candidates outside of Quebec, so they are not representative of the countrys interest, on Quebecs.

 

 

 

None of the partys are fit to lead right now. Harper needs to go, but the replacements are worse.

 

 

 

I also view a coalition designed to overthrow the ruleing party as a cou. There are circumstances that might warrent such action, I don't think we are there yet. I voted the way I did so that none of the partys forming a coalition would get in (ie voted PC).

 

 

 

I also worry about the reaction in the West. Alberta in particular would be to the point of leaving the country, and are in the best position to leave financialy. If the coalition come to be, no Liberal is going to be voted fo in Alberta for the next centry (or so I would expect).

 

I think this is a powergrab by the NDP and bloc. The NDP will (hopefully) never be in power, so this is as close as they can come, and the Bloc will also never be in power due to not running candidates outside of Quebec.

 

 

 

I would not have voted for this, the only coalition I would ever presently consider supporting woudl be one between the PC and Liberal partys.

First I am a Canadian, and I did vote in the last Federal Election.

 

 

 

Right now, I think Harper is acting like an [wagon]. Because the Liberal Party has ousted their leader, he is treating his position like majority.

 

 

 

The Coalition would be led by the Leader of the Liberal Party, a man who his party has said (by having him resign as party leader effective sometime next year) is not fit to be prime minister.

 

Deputy Primeminister would be Layton, of the NDP (socalist party). With them comes Bob Ray, and Ontario is still recovering from when the NDP got in provincialy with Ray as finance minister. Layton is a person you couldn't trust to manage a lemonade stand.

 

Then the Block, the Quebec sepratist party. Lets have a coalition with a party that was created to break Canada into pieces. Also, the bloc has no candidates outside of Quebec, so they are not representative of the countrys interest, on Quebecs.

 

 

 

None of the partys are fit to lead right now. Harper needs to go, but the replacements are worse.

 

 

 

I also view a coalition designed to overthrow the ruleing party as a cou. There are circumstances that might warrent such action, I don't think we are there yet. I voted the way I did so that none of the partys forming a coalition would get in (ie voted PC).

 

 

 

I also worry about the reaction in the West. Alberta in particular would be to the point of leaving the country, and are in the best position to leave financialy. If the coalition come to be, no Liberal is going to be voted fo in Alberta for the next centry (or so I would expect).

 

I think this is a powergrab by the NDP and bloc. The NDP will (hopefully) never be in power, so this is as close as they can come, and the Bloc will also never be in power due to not running candidates outside of Quebec.

 

 

 

I would not have voted for this, the only coalition I would ever presently consider supporting woudl be one between the PC and Liberal partys.

 

lol.

 

layton graduated to the crappy high schoool i go to.

 

 

 

and on topic. i hate harper, and dion.

 

i like layton but hes an idiot.

 

i just dislike harper less than i dislike dion.

 

so i'd prefer if harper remained prime minister.

 

i really wish i was old enough to vote.

My mind isn't set on anything. There are too many pros and cons for both sides.

My mind isn't set on anything. There are too many pros and cons for both sides.

 

 

 

Same for me, I couldn't have said it as good as you did.

I'm AGAINST the coalition because the parties that will make it up have horrible issues with the economy. The conservatives have a better understanding of the economy, especially when the whole world is at risk of recession.

 

 

 

Dion has no balls, [bleep]er can't even speak English right.

I'm AGAINST the coalition because the parties that will make it up have horrible issues with the economy. The conservatives have a better understanding of the economy, especially when the whole world is at risk of recession.

 

 

 

Dion has no balls, [bleep] can't even speak English right.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but if you look at what the conservatives are going to do, they might as well be trying to control government forever. They wish to get rid of so much of it that sure it will help the economy, but it will hurt our government.

I still say that, especially right now, Liberals would be most beneficial for Canada, because of how they tend to keep a balanced budget.

The idea of a coalition is completely democratic, that's how our government works. You vote for a representative and those representatives form a government however they decide, pretty much. You do not vote for the prime minister. Only about 37% of Canadians voted for Harper btw, not 46%.

 

 

 

 

 

As for this situation, I think the best thing would be for Harper to resign and hopefully the NDP and Liberals would consider letting the Conservatives have a minority rule with a new leader. One of the key triggers of this coalition was Stephen Harper's absurd proposition of eliminating voter subsidies (each vote for a party gives them a bit of funding, so that parties don't rely on corporate donations, which they can't now anyways). These subsidies help the other parties moreso than the Conservatives, as the Con's tend to be more supported by the upper-class and receive more in way of personal contributions. So, in a time when the political parties need to work together most to get through the economic crisis, Harper's first move was to attempt to financially crush his opposition in a bid to gain power in future elections. He has no interest in teamwork, anything he says now is just to ease public anxiety in an effort to save his own skin.

I honestly wouldn't care.As long as Stephen Dion doesn't have political power, I'm good.

I would have voted for the coalition in the past election. It's about time a coalition was formed. The only reason the conservatives are in power is because they're the only right-wing party, and the votes from all the people that vote right wing are concentrated on one party. Whereas there are multiple left-wing parties and left-wing voters' votes are spread amongst several parties. I would love to see Stephen Harper go, he's really making himself look bad now too, by claiming this is undemocratic (which it isn't, look up responsible government), and by attacking separatism so hard and claiming a vote for the coalition is a vote for separatism.