This month's e-drama in the clan world is that VR members have been hacking forums (again). The Titans have given Violent Resolution 12 hours to kick the guilty members (who include clan officials) or TT will crash VR's fights untill the members are kicked.

 

Every single one of their events will be crashed by us

 

Divine Forces members are already saying that they will back up VR over this, meaning fights will be TT vs VR + DF. TT will probably call friendly clans (collision, corruption, damage inc. etc.) to even the odds in fights. Cluster fights might come back, which personally I've missed as while they're incredibly messy they can be great fun.

 

 

 

How do you think this 'vr incident of 09' will end up? Personally I think cluster fights will come back, which I predict VR and their supporters will lose the majority of, if not all. VR have surged in power after 2 merges this week and have grown incredibly arrogant after just a few wins. I think getting hit by TT (a clan with more members and vastly more organisation) day in, day out will cause a lot of new recruits to leave, and VR will fall back down the rankings to 5 at best. They'll probably capitulate and kick the guilty members within a few months, provided TT continue to crash them.

 

 

 

I support TT in this fully and will be at any VR fights I can.

Very interesting to me. What will go down all depends on what happens tomorrow though, so I'll put up a more decent reply then.

i dont like cluster fights

 

 

 

but this event has certainly made clan world a bit intresting again

I would agree with TT. Plus i don't think even VR + DF would stance a chance with TT + Corr + Coll + DI hunting them.

 

 

 

 

 

It's sorta up there for the top clans to pick a side or remain neutral. I think EH may join with TT as i think i remember VR doing it to them aswell. Also KTS complained on an RSC thread that they had they're forums hacked.

 

 

 

Also i think the only reason DF are "Allying" is due to an arranged fight that they think may be crashed.

 

 

 

Cluster fights may break out if things aren't solved.

This month's e-drama in the clan world is that VR members have been hacking forums (again). The Titans have given Violent Resolution 12 hours to kick the guilty members (who include clan officials) or TT will crash VR's fights untill the members are kicked.

 

Every single one of their events will be crashed by us

 

Divine Forces members are already saying that they will back up VR over this, meaning fights will be TT vs VR + DF. TT will probably call friendly clans (collision, corruption, damage inc. etc.) to even the odds in fights. Cluster fights might come back, which personally I've missed as while they're incredibly messy they can be great fun.

 

 

 

How do you think this 'vr incident of 09' will end up? Personally I think cluster fights will come back, which I predict VR and their supporters will lose the majority of, if not all. VR have surged in power after 2 merges this week and have grown incredibly arrogant after just a few wins. I think getting hit by TT (a clan with more members and vastly more organisation) day in, day out will cause a lot of new recruits to leave, and VR will fall back down the rankings to 5 at best. They'll probably capitulate and kick the guilty members within a few months, provided TT continue to crash them.

 

 

 

I support TT in this fully and will be at any VR fights I can.

 

 

 

As a member of DF i would like to enlighten you, Enzock you proberly know whats really happening.

 

 

 

Df scheduled a fight with VR 1 week ago before this incident happened so stop spreading propaganda like normal about DF supporting hacking or other no honour acts. DF stated that we will retaliate if you crash our fight tomorrow, we don't support VR in this action of "hacking" or simply getting hold a TT forum accounts via other ways such as TT selling the accounts or could have been a VR spy all along, or was generiously given to them by another member that is their business(aka TT and VR). We are involved because we are warring them tomorrow and we feel that just because VR possibly did a thing to TT one day before that they would crash our 1 week prep in advanced with them.

 

 

 

Here's quote from DF offical's concerning this situation.

 

 

 

I will say this once and only once. Most of the clan world knows there is going to be a fight tomorrow between DF and VR. I have already talked to TT officials but I will repeat myself for everyone to hear. We understand what VR has done. We know in the past that DF has taken the same path that TT wants to take. But what everyone has to realize is that tomorrow if TT choose to use aggressive action and crash VR, they will not only be crashing VR's fight, But DF's fight. DF always has and always will take every crash very seriously. If this incident occurs it will not be taken lightly, especially because of the terms TT and DF have chose. Their will be retaliation. If an enemy wants to act like NI they must be taken very seriously like NI.

 

What also must be remembered is that this will not only affect 2 or 3 clans but every clan that chooses to take action. One clan will crash another and it will not stop. If this is what one clan chooses to do because their problems then this will not only have a horrific impact on the clan world but it may cloud the little light left. Even a small decision can have a big impact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS:I don't think DI wouldn't get involved because im pretty sure that they don't like cluster fights.

 

 

 

Edit:heres some quotes from DI

 

 

 

Hold on, so logging into an account and reading someones forums is hacking now?

 

Do kindly tell me what else it is?

 

Its called spying and has been called that for a long time before you played

 

 

 

Oh that's spies. Every clan has spies on another clans, don't know why you would warn VR. Tell your members to be careful with their passwords.

 

 

 

On topic now

 

 

 

As for the part about cluster fight's starting again i think this could cause a massive rise in cluster fights due to this situation of TT threatening to crash all of VR's fights. Some clans may step away from VR but some may keep fighting them. Im not going to be surprised if TT crash's VR's fight's and VR crashes back.

TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members.

 

 

 

And lego said on msn that DF might well cancel their fight with VR tommorow and let vr and tt fight between themselves. I'm not "spreading propoganda" - TT asked clans not to fight VR in order to punish them, and DF can choose to do that or not. Vr are to blame, not TT.

 

 

 

VR can crash back but it'll just backfire. They can't handle TT 1 on 1, let alone if TT have help.

TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members.

 

 

 

 

Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty is only in America, and only in theory. ;)

 

 

 

Interesting topic, and looking forward to see what happens with the wars this weekend!

WG has pledged it's full support for TT in this situation. We're not going to crash the fight today though, don't worry.

The best position by TT would be to wait till after the war with DF before crashing VR. DF then can choose the path it wants to take and TT will be sure of VR's choice on the kicking/not kicking of members. Though right now we are witnessing history in the making, since TT will have quite a lot of support against VR along with the impact on the clan world in general with this issue.

I could see allot of VR members leaving as long as TT continue to crash and the brickheads shield whoever did it.

The best position by TT would be to wait till after the war with DF before crashing VR. DF then can choose the path it wants to take and TT will be sure of VR's choice on the kicking/not kicking of members. Though right now we are witnessing history in the making, since TT will have quite a lot of support against VR along with the impact on the clan world in general with this issue.

 

Df has been known in the past to side with VR, so I think the thought is that DF is going to side with them either way.

 

 

 

Plus i don't think even VR + DF would stance a chance with TT + Corr + Coll + DI hunting them.

 

I doubt DI will join in, they've been known for staying out of clusters (like red fat said).

Interesting to see this. It's a situation where there really is no right or wrong. As red fat said, however, unless they were phishing or etc it is probably just a situation of TT being careless with their passwords, and I have NO sympathy whatsoever.

 

 

 

Not sure what stance BK will take on this. I imagine we may end up sided with DF(if we side at all), I can't say we have any relations with TT/Cor/col at all.

Very interesting, I heard that there's a fight including VR is going on at the moment?

lol 420 opts of anti-vr crashing them atm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Misson accomplished! Vr lost a fight they were almost guaranteed to win if we hadn't crashed.

The crash went through then I see. I was going to go watch, had to work though.

Gotta love E-Drama.

 

 

 

Check your freaking egos at the door, it's the internet for god sakes.

You're spoiling all the fun, Champz. Egos good! ;)

 

 

 

I actually think this was needed to get some passion into a few of these clans again. Flaming and accusations aside, there's definitely a few of the top clans who will be stronger because of this.

You're spoiling all the fun, Champz. Egos good! ;)

 

 

 

I actually think this was needed to get some passion into a few of these clans again. Flaming and accusations aside, there's definitely a few of the top clans who will be stronger because of this.

 

Putting what VR did/didn't do aside (the 'technical' core of this situation) I'd say that every clan involved, whether anti- or pro- VR had a ton of fun yesterday.

 

 

 

And free publicity is always nice.

I see the fact that you guys had fun from something like hacking (if it actually was that).

 

 

 

Ah well, that looked interesting :lol:

lol 420 opts of anti-vr crashing them atm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Misson accomplished! Vr lost a fight they were almost guaranteed to win if we hadn't crashed.

 

We were actually winning nearly destroyed all their snipers and their mainpile being sniped very hard, instead of a loss it was a draw :P Each time you crashed they got a regroup and we were that much longer to the result :)

TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members.

 

 

 

 

Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty.

On RSC, I saw evidence of the forum account hacking. I'll see if I can get it for you.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm usually against crashing, but these circumstances change it up. A clan loses dignity if they were to stand for getting spit on and not do anything back. Flaming can be dealt with, but forum hacking crosses the line. Did only Corr crash, or was there help?

I think TT, Cor, RDC and some others from for example RT, GS and 2M were there. Maybe not all had the intention to crash, but just to go with the group to support TT's point of view.

 

 

 

Anyway, here's a screen I took:

 

TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members.

 

 

 

 

Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty.

 

Proof or no proof, we all know the crap that VR has done in the past.

TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members.

 

 

 

 

Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty.

 

Proof or no proof, we all know the crap that VR has done in the past.

 

 

 

This^. Imo VR is just hiding behind technicalities at the moment.