Enzock Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 This month's e-drama in the clan world is that VR members have been hacking forums (again). The Titans have given Violent Resolution 12 hours to kick the guilty members (who include clan officials) or TT will crash VR's fights untill the members are kicked. Every single one of their events will be crashed by us Divine Forces members are already saying that they will back up VR over this, meaning fights will be TT vs VR + DF. TT will probably call friendly clans (collision, corruption, damage inc. etc.) to even the odds in fights. Cluster fights might come back, which personally I've missed as while they're incredibly messy they can be great fun. How do you think this 'vr incident of 09' will end up? Personally I think cluster fights will come back, which I predict VR and their supporters will lose the majority of, if not all. VR have surged in power after 2 merges this week and have grown incredibly arrogant after just a few wins. I think getting hit by TT (a clan with more members and vastly more organisation) day in, day out will cause a lot of new recruits to leave, and VR will fall back down the rankings to 5 at best. They'll probably capitulate and kick the guilty members within a few months, provided TT continue to crash them. I support TT in this fully and will be at any VR fights I can. Proud Leader of the Corruption Clan. PM me to set up a fight or for any queries relating to my clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pan_Nx Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Very interesting to me. What will go down all depends on what happens tomorrow though, so I'll put up a more decent reply then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkis Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 i dont like cluster fights but this event has certainly made clan world a bit intresting again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_troyus Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I would agree with TT. Plus i don't think even VR + DF would stance a chance with TT + Corr + Coll + DI hunting them. It's sorta up there for the top clans to pick a side or remain neutral. I think EH may join with TT as i think i remember VR doing it to them aswell. Also KTS complained on an RSC thread that they had they're forums hacked. Also i think the only reason DF are "Allying" is due to an arranged fight that they think may be crashed. Cluster fights may break out if things aren't solved. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e_cLCibqSxk&fmt=18 -- Lord_Troyus - This is PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_Fat1 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 This month's e-drama in the clan world is that VR members have been hacking forums (again). The Titans have given Violent Resolution 12 hours to kick the guilty members (who include clan officials) or TT will crash VR's fights untill the members are kicked. Every single one of their events will be crashed by us Divine Forces members are already saying that they will back up VR over this, meaning fights will be TT vs VR + DF. TT will probably call friendly clans (collision, corruption, damage inc. etc.) to even the odds in fights. Cluster fights might come back, which personally I've missed as while they're incredibly messy they can be great fun. How do you think this 'vr incident of 09' will end up? Personally I think cluster fights will come back, which I predict VR and their supporters will lose the majority of, if not all. VR have surged in power after 2 merges this week and have grown incredibly arrogant after just a few wins. I think getting hit by TT (a clan with more members and vastly more organisation) day in, day out will cause a lot of new recruits to leave, and VR will fall back down the rankings to 5 at best. They'll probably capitulate and kick the guilty members within a few months, provided TT continue to crash them. I support TT in this fully and will be at any VR fights I can. As a member of DF i would like to enlighten you, Enzock you proberly know whats really happening. Df scheduled a fight with VR 1 week ago before this incident happened so stop spreading propaganda like normal about DF supporting hacking or other no honour acts. DF stated that we will retaliate if you crash our fight tomorrow, we don't support VR in this action of "hacking" or simply getting hold a TT forum accounts via other ways such as TT selling the accounts or could have been a VR spy all along, or was generiously given to them by another member that is their business(aka TT and VR). We are involved because we are warring them tomorrow and we feel that just because VR possibly did a thing to TT one day before that they would crash our 1 week prep in advanced with them. Here's quote from DF offical's concerning this situation. I will say this once and only once. Most of the clan world knows there is going to be a fight tomorrow between DF and VR. I have already talked to TT officials but I will repeat myself for everyone to hear. We understand what VR has done. We know in the past that DF has taken the same path that TT wants to take. But what everyone has to realize is that tomorrow if TT choose to use aggressive action and crash VR, they will not only be crashing VR's fight, But DF's fight. DF always has and always will take every crash very seriously. If this incident occurs it will not be taken lightly, especially because of the terms TT and DF have chose. Their will be retaliation. If an enemy wants to act like NI they must be taken very seriously like NI. What also must be remembered is that this will not only affect 2 or 3 clans but every clan that chooses to take action. One clan will crash another and it will not stop. If this is what one clan chooses to do because their problems then this will not only have a horrific impact on the clan world but it may cloud the little light left. Even a small decision can have a big impact. PS:I don't think DI wouldn't get involved because im pretty sure that they don't like cluster fights. Edit:heres some quotes from DI Hold on, so logging into an account and reading someones forums is hacking now? Do kindly tell me what else it is? Its called spying and has been called that for a long time before you played Oh that's spies. Every clan has spies on another clans, don't know why you would warn VR. Tell your members to be careful with their passwords. On topic now As for the part about cluster fight's starting again i think this could cause a massive rise in cluster fights due to this situation of TT threatening to crash all of VR's fights. Some clans may step away from VR but some may keep fighting them. Im not going to be surprised if TT crash's VR's fight's and VR crashes back. Proud Warlord of DragonwoodIf it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how? ~ Joan Baez Rest in Peace 3xtermination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzock Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members. And lego said on msn that DF might well cancel their fight with VR tommorow and let vr and tt fight between themselves. I'm not "spreading propoganda" - TT asked clans not to fight VR in order to punish them, and DF can choose to do that or not. Vr are to blame, not TT. VR can crash back but it'll just backfire. They can't handle TT 1 on 1, let alone if TT have help. Proud Leader of the Corruption Clan. PM me to set up a fight or for any queries relating to my clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_Fat1 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members. Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty. Proud Warlord of DragonwoodIf it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how? ~ Joan Baez Rest in Peace 3xtermination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laikrob Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Innocent until proven guilty is only in America, and only in theory. ;) Interesting topic, and looking forward to see what happens with the wars this weekend! You're accusing me of bigotry, how ironic. It's a nice attempt at argument, but your responses are facile and asinine, if not diatribe. Who's arrogant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangeresque Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 WG has pledged it's full support for TT in this situation. We're not going to crash the fight today though, don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 The best position by TT would be to wait till after the war with DF before crashing VR. DF then can choose the path it wants to take and TT will be sure of VR's choice on the kicking/not kicking of members. Though right now we are witnessing history in the making, since TT will have quite a lot of support against VR along with the impact on the clan world in general with this issue. With love to one, friendship to many, and good will to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumonde Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I could see allot of VR members leaving as long as TT continue to crash and the brickheads shield whoever did it. Stat Progress | Stat Averages | Stat Records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pan_Nx Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 The best position by TT would be to wait till after the war with DF before crashing VR. DF then can choose the path it wants to take and TT will be sure of VR's choice on the kicking/not kicking of members. Though right now we are witnessing history in the making, since TT will have quite a lot of support against VR along with the impact on the clan world in general with this issue. Df has been known in the past to side with VR, so I think the thought is that DF is going to side with them either way. Plus i don't think even VR + DF would stance a chance with TT + Corr + Coll + DI hunting them. I doubt DI will join in, they've been known for staying out of clusters (like red fat said). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Interesting to see this. It's a situation where there really is no right or wrong. As red fat said, however, unless they were phishing or etc it is probably just a situation of TT being careless with their passwords, and I have NO sympathy whatsoever. Not sure what stance BK will take on this. I imagine we may end up sided with DF(if we side at all), I can't say we have any relations with TT/Cor/col at all. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thiesje Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Very interesting, I heard that there's a fight including VR is going on at the moment? Animum debes mutare, non caelum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzock Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 lol 420 opts of anti-vr crashing them atm Edit: Misson accomplished! Vr lost a fight they were almost guaranteed to win if we hadn't crashed. Proud Leader of the Corruption Clan. PM me to set up a fight or for any queries relating to my clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 The crash went through then I see. I was going to go watch, had to work though. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champz Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Gotta love E-Drama. Check your freaking egos at the door, it's the internet for god sakes. Ex-Knights of Order Councilor: September 4, 2005 - September 4, 2009 (2.5 Years Council)Vengeance: November 19, 2009 - Present Proud To Be The Fourth Oldest Knight In Existence - Original OSKO "No. Try Not. Do Or Do Not. There Is No Try" - Yoda (Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back)"We don't do what we do because we expect compensation. We do it because we know its the right thing to do" - Anon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laikrob Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 You're spoiling all the fun, Champz. Egos good! ;) I actually think this was needed to get some passion into a few of these clans again. Flaming and accusations aside, there's definitely a few of the top clans who will be stronger because of this. You're accusing me of bigotry, how ironic. It's a nice attempt at argument, but your responses are facile and asinine, if not diatribe. Who's arrogant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzock Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 You're spoiling all the fun, Champz. Egos good! ;) I actually think this was needed to get some passion into a few of these clans again. Flaming and accusations aside, there's definitely a few of the top clans who will be stronger because of this. Putting what VR did/didn't do aside (the 'technical' core of this situation) I'd say that every clan involved, whether anti- or pro- VR had a ton of fun yesterday. And free publicity is always nice. Proud Leader of the Corruption Clan. PM me to set up a fight or for any queries relating to my clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decebal Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I see the fact that you guys had fun from something like hacking (if it actually was that). Ah well, that looked interesting :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_Fat1 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 lol 420 opts of anti-vr crashing them atm Edit: Misson accomplished! Vr lost a fight they were almost guaranteed to win if we hadn't crashed. We were actually winning nearly destroyed all their snipers and their mainpile being sniped very hard, instead of a loss it was a draw :P Each time you crashed they got a regroup and we were that much longer to the result :) Proud Warlord of DragonwoodIf it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how? ~ Joan Baez Rest in Peace 3xtermination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbzruler72 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members. Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty.On RSC, I saw evidence of the forum account hacking. I'll see if I can get it for you. I'm usually against crashing, but these circumstances change it up. A clan loses dignity if they were to stand for getting spit on and not do anything back. Flaming can be dealt with, but forum hacking crosses the line. Did only Corr crash, or was there help? *-P.K.M-* Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thiesje Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I think TT, Cor, RDC and some others from for example RT, GS and 2M were there. Maybe not all had the intention to crash, but just to go with the group to support TT's point of view. Anyway, here's a screen I took: Animum debes mutare, non caelum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pan_Nx Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members. Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty. Proof or no proof, we all know the crap that VR has done in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 TT's problem is not with spying, it's that in addition to hacking forum accounts they hacked rl email accounts of TT members. Unless they show actual proof that it was hacking (EG bruteforce or phishing) then it can't be proved that hacking is how they got the account. The ol saying innocent till proven guilty. Proof or no proof, we all know the crap that VR has done in the past. This^. Imo VR is just hiding behind technicalities at the moment. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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